David Nofoaluma #164

[TrueTiger]

Sorry but the I’m a loyal club man as long as you pay me what I want is tedious.

I don't want to see this anymore. Loyalty means signing early for a fair contract. If it's business then it's business and we just let them go.

The club is more important than any one player.

I have to totally agree with you Earl as far as the game and club are a BUSINESS and as such you have to make the most out of it as long as you can...A player these days with the competative nature and changes constantly being made has to be up to the standard of it,not below it,Im a Noffa fan,but he has to get rid of his defense issues to be in line with his attack and go forward which he is great at.....
The game has evolved further,so do players and coaches..If you demand more money to play,you must be able to perform to that value asked,if not you may have to move on.or lower your price...

 

[Cairnstigers]

Nofo has had ONE good year

One very good year and some ordinary years mixed in his career agree he's a very good clubman but appears that someone is in his ear stroking his ego

But you make roster decisions based on projected performance and Noff does appear to be rising to an elite performer, what he did prior to last year is really a non factor.

He hasn't improved is defence issues which is the problem.

that is the problem his defensive issues not his attack he needs to fix up the defence

Agreed
More effort required
He needs to be attacking the ball and putting his body on the line
If he would have competed for the ball in this photo, Edric does not score
Its moments like these that let David down
This game was a shocker from David
He did have BJ inside him but David was in a position to stop this try even if he applied a little more pressure by competing for the ball
I have seen a few games like that
One against stgeorge a few years ago comes to mind
3 try's scored by Jason Nightingale comes to mind
And carbon copy tries
Its the one area of his game that let's him down and why we should not pay overs
I think it's very important to keep David as it shows we are capable of keeping a good player
Especially one who has spent his career at the club
Loosing David could look bad for our club
Dragging this out is also looking bad
But over paying is not the answer
If David could fix this area of his game and have a tackle efficiency of 90%, then i would have no problem with paying $500'000
At this point though $450'000 max IMO

 

[jirskyr]

The DallM winger award carried no weight with Blues selectors.

Whilst I think Nofo deserved his award this year, you are right that selectors don't care one bit about club-level recognition.

And I'll also say that it was a little bit of a weak field, not to detract from Nofo, but a lot of normally leading wing candidates had difficult seasons.

Compared to Tuiaki's Dally M which was an absolutely outstanding dominant performance, same with Maika Sivo's.

 

[earl]

Compared to Tuiaki’s Dally M which was an absolutely outstanding dominant performance, same with Maika Sivo’s.

You also have to back it up. Look at Sivo. He wasn't great last year. Imagine paying him a fortune based on his Dally M year. We did this with Mbye, Reynolds and Packer. We paid them to be in their absolute best form and they haven't done that again.

 

[weststigerman]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

I dont get this.
We have a 450K winger wanting 450K. Pay the man his money.

Dont go hiring a 30 year old winger on his way out to replace him, even if your paying Unders.
Dont go hiring Crighton (Steven) or Staggs for a Million to replace him.

Pay Nofo his due. You have a 27year old winger who has hit form. More importantly he Combines well with BJ and Luciano Leulia. DONT FIX WHATS WORKING!

We have no clear NR1, we have forwards that try but get beaten by better teams. We have the leagues nr3 tryscorer and everyone goes "lets replace that guy"! I dont get it.

it is not working though we haven't made the finals in years.
If we can get Crighton then we use nofo money and go for it. I'm sure Crighton will combine better with BJ and Luciano.

But we’re probably not getting Crichton. Either of them.

Chances are if we lose Nofa we’ll have to replace him with a lesser credentialed player. That’s why we need to keep him if his demands are not crazy.

 

[BZN]

hello Tigers fans, Souths have expressed interest in signing Nofoaluma as expressed in the news this morning however, it isn’t all gloomy on your guys end. Laurie and Mansour will be heading to you guys this year if Nofoaluma elects to take up the Souths offer, if he does he could potentially be heading there for the 2021 season.

Your team is also interested in signing Dallin Watene-zalezniak from the Bulldogs. He played his best football under Michael Maguire for the Kiwi international side. This signing is most likely for 2022 but nonetheless a good signing.

Not sure letting Nofa go early is worth it to get Mansour and Laurie. We’re getting Laurie in 2022 anyway and Mansour is a downgrade

As for DWZ he did play good under Madge but he’s been pretty average lately, he’s no fullback and not sure he’s that great a winger either

Thanks for the info though

Mansouris not a downgrade David has had ONE good year that is all

Imagine trading a dally m winger of the year for a bloke who’s just turned 30, just so we can get an unproven talent a year early. Mansour is a downgrade on almost every level. But it seems you’re the leader of the Nofoaluma hate club so I’m sure this won’t register with you very well

Who said anything about a trade
If Nofoaluma wants out we can't stop him
All we can do is keep him here to fulfil his contract
And what is the point in this situation of keeping someone here that doesn't want to be here
We should do what we need to to get Laurie here
If it means getting Mansour for 2 years Max on a heavily subsidised deal we still win
If Nofoaluma is on $400'000 this year and we can get Mansour for say $250'000 with kicking in the rest, it's a win win
We get Laurie
We save $150'000
We get Mansour who is no slouch despite what some of you think
He will more than hold his own
And if he is only costing us $250'000 he would be a perfect back up if he doesn't start
For $250'000 he is a perfect depth player
Just think about our wingers of the past in Molten, John Hopoate, Lola Milford, Hassan Saleh, Ahmad Bajouri, Balin Cupples, Robert Miles, Dean Collins, Jason Moodie, Mathew Rieck, Shannon McDonnell, Penrith Tagive, Geoff Daniela, Mitch Brown, Matt Utai, Joel Reddy, Jy Hitchcox, Kevin Naiqama, Delouise Hoeter, Jordan Rankin, Justin Hunt, Mahe Fonoa, Robert Jennings

Just let those names sink in a bit
Then have a reel good think
Is Josh Mansour really that bad
Or are we expecting to much
In my books he is better then all those names listed and probably a few more
Sure his best years may be behind him but he still offers plenty
Some people need to take their blindfolds off
Mansour would still be better now then over 90% of the wingers that have played for this club
A two year deal i think would be a smart deal at $250'000
It leaves us with more $ in the bank if Nofoaluma leaves
That can go towards a Crichton x 2 or Staggs or B Smith or Jahrome Hughes or Cameron McInnes

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[Cairnstigers]

hello Tigers fans, Souths have expressed interest in signing Nofoaluma as expressed in the news this morning however, it isn’t all gloomy on your guys end. Laurie and Mansour will be heading to you guys this year if Nofoaluma elects to take up the Souths offer, if he does he could potentially be heading there for the 2021 season.

Your team is also interested in signing Dallin Watene-zalezniak from the Bulldogs. He played his best football under Michael Maguire for the Kiwi international side. This signing is most likely for 2022 but nonetheless a good signing.

Not sure letting Nofa go early is worth it to get Mansour and Laurie. We’re getting Laurie in 2022 anyway and Mansour is a downgrade

As for DWZ he did play good under Madge but he’s been pretty average lately, he’s no fullback and not sure he’s that great a winger either

Thanks for the info though

Mansouris not a downgrade David has had ONE good year that is all

Imagine trading a dally m winger of the year for a bloke who’s just turned 30, just so we can get an unproven talent a year early. Mansour is a downgrade on almost every level. But it seems you’re the leader of the Nofoaluma hate club so I’m sure this won’t register with you very well

Who said anything about a trade
If Nofoaluma wants out we can't stop him
All we can do is keep him here to fulfil his contract
And what is the point in this situation of keeping someone here that doesn't want to be here
We should do what we need to to get Laurie here
If it means getting Mansour for 2 years Max on a heavily subsidised deal we still win
If Nofoaluma is on $400'000 this year and we can get Mansour for say $250'000 with kicking in the rest, it's a win win
We get Laurie
We save $150'000
We get Mansour who is no slouch despite what some of you think
He will more than hold his own
And if he is only costing us $250'000 he would be a perfect back up if he doesn't start
For $250'000 he is a perfect depth player
Just think about our wingers of the past in Molten, John Hopoate, Lola Milford, Hassan Saleh, Ahmad Bajouri, Balin Cupples, Robert Miles, Dean Collins, Jason Moodie, Mathew Rieck, Shannon McDonnell, Penrith Tagive, Geoff Daniela, Mitch Brown, Matt Utai, Joel Reddy, Jy Hitchcox, Kevin Naiqama, Delouise Hoeter, Jordan Rankin, Justin Hunt, Mahe Fonoa, Robert Jennings

Just let those names sink in a bit
Then have a reel good think
Is Josh Mansour really that bad
Or are we expecting to much
In my books he is better then all those names listed and probably a few more
Sure his best years may be behind him but he still offers plenty
Some people need to take their blindfolds off
Mansour would still be better now then over 90% of the wingers that have played for this club
A two year deal i think would be a smart deal at $250'000
It leaves us with more $ in the bank if Nofoaluma leaves
That can go towards a Crichton x 2 or Staggs or B Smith or Jahrome Hughes or Cameron McInnes

Thanks Mate
We all have different opinions
I just share mine
As we all do
Although sometimes I think we are a bit hard on some players
It comes down to two things
A players ability
And what they are worth
Eg
Mbye at $900'000
Or
Mbye at $400'000
Same player but 2 different values for $

 

[Leck]

Time to move on from Nofa. He hasn't re-signed and the writing is on the wall.

In late November his manager made it known that he wanted more coin because it was (apparently) his last chance for a contract.

Which is rubbish, he's 27 and he has at least 2 NRL contracts left + an opportunity to play ESL at the back end of his career.

Since then all we've heard is dead air.

His managers attempt to lift his price was PR jargon and we were right to offer him what he's worth
- max $450-500K.

In my opinion that's even too much. One decent year versus five average years doesn't make you a quality top 5 NRL winger.

Nofa and his manager are playing games and we should stick to our guns and promote AJ /Talau or even Momo to the right wing if he decides to defect and sign up with the Eels or Bunnies.


Sorry for being ignorant, but when was that one good year again?

He won the Dally M winger last year, which I can't deny, however he hasn't proven to be a consistent strike winger across his entire career.

If he decides to leave us I feel confident we have the talent to fill his position.


Leck, I’m slowly losing faith in the value of awards as a means of evaluating performance. I guess I saw more of Nofa than I did of other wingers, but I don’t think that’s how he got the award is it? Didn’t he get the award because the DallyM judges gave him points compared to WT players performance? Our team performance was regrettable but Nofa’s highlight reel was a tribute to his skill and that of other players around him. A good winger competes for the high ball. Rowdy did a better job of that than Nofa. A good winger scores tries, which he did, 17 of them, but he let in 23, making him the worst defensive winger in the nrl . Jennings was so much better defensively than Nofa.
The DallM winger award carried no weight with Blues selectors.

I completely agree with you and in my opinion our Dally M points system is flawed.

It's solely based on a panel of three judges who can be biased at times.

I'd like to see it based upon a points system which collates data for both the front and back row.

For example -

**Primary Score**

**Most meters gained:** 1 point
**Most offloads:** 1 point
**Most line breaks:** 1 point
**Most line break assists:** 1 point
**Most tackles made:** 1 point
**Most kicks and effective meters gained:** 1 point
**Most missed tackles:** -1 point
**Most errors made:** -1 point
**Most penalties conceded:** -1 point
**Try scored:** 2 points


**Judges Score** (3 X judges allocate these points)

**Plays that change the game** (e.g. an outstanding attacking or defensive play, a kick from the sideline or a last second field goal to win the game): 2 points
**Overall player of the game:** 2 points

Whilst this might sound complicated we live in 2021 and can easily create algorithms which produce instant in-game data.

A system like this would ensure the Dally M was based on facts rather than just the opinions of judges.

In terms of Nofa, I think he should have made the NSW squad even if only on the bench, but I also think his defense was probably a liability that Freddy didn't want to take a punt on.

If the NRL produced weekly in-game Dally M data, who knows maybe the winners and our NSW squad would have looked different and won.

 

[TigerWest]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

I dont get this.
We have a 450K winger wanting 450K. Pay the man his money.

Dont go hiring a 30 year old winger on his way out to replace him, even if your paying Unders.
Dont go hiring Crighton (Steven) or Staggs for a Million to replace him.

Pay Nofo his due. You have a 27year old winger who has hit form. More importantly he Combines well with BJ and Luciano Leulia. DONT FIX WHATS WORKING!

We have no clear NR1, we have forwards that try but get beaten by better teams. We have the leagues nr3 tryscorer and everyone goes "lets replace that guy"! I dont get it.

it is not working though we haven't made the finals in years.
If we can get Crighton then we use nofo money and go for it. I'm sure Crighton will combine better with BJ and Luciano.

But we’re probably not getting Crichton. Either of them.

Chances are if we lose Nofa we’ll have to replace him with a lesser credentialed player. That’s why we need to keep him if his demands are not crazy.

No offence, but wingers generally score tries on the back of plays to there side of the field.

Nofo is OK at it, but really, good wingers come along all the time.

I said earlier, I don’t care if he comes or goes, but not convinced we can’t replace without to many worries.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

if we keep trying we will land a big fish Brandon Smith crightin staggs etc
the day we stop trying we are finished

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

if we keep trying we will land a big fish Brandon Smith crightin staggs etc
the day we stop trying we are finished

We can only keep trying to sign the big names still a little hamstrung but as everyone on this Forum should agree our team is much stronger than last year and should continue to improve early results will have a big bearing on what happens for 2022 and we are hearing all the right things from the new players we have signed

 

[Bob]

Time to move on from Nofa. He hasn't re-signed and the writing is on the wall.

In late November his manager made it known that he wanted more coin because it was (apparently) his last chance for a contract.

Which is rubbish, he's 27 and he has at least 2 NRL contracts left + an opportunity to play ESL at the back end of his career.

Since then all we've heard is dead air.

His managers attempt to lift his price was PR jargon and we were right to offer him what he's worth
- max $450-500K.

In my opinion that's even too much. One decent year versus five average years doesn't make you a quality top 5 NRL winger.

Nofa and his manager are playing games and we should stick to our guns and promote AJ /Talau or even Momo to the right wing if he decides to defect and sign up with the Eels or Bunnies.


Sorry for being ignorant, but when was that one good year again?

He won the Dally M winger last year, which I can't deny, however he hasn't proven to be a consistent strike winger across his entire career.

If he decides to leave us I feel confident we have the talent to fill his position.


Leck, I’m slowly losing faith in the value of awards as a means of evaluating performance. I guess I saw more of Nofa than I did of other wingers, but I don’t think that’s how he got the award is it? Didn’t he get the award because the DallyM judges gave him points compared to WT players performance? Our team performance was regrettable but Nofa’s highlight reel was a tribute to his skill and that of other players around him. A good winger competes for the high ball. Rowdy did a better job of that than Nofa. A good winger scores tries, which he did, 17 of them, but he let in 23, making him the worst defensive winger in the nrl . Jennings was so much better defensively than Nofa.
The DallM winger award carried no weight with Blues selectors.


I completely agree with you and in my opinion our Dally M points system is flawed.

It's solely based on a panel of three judges who can be biased at times.

I'd like to see it based upon a points system which collates data for both the front and back row.

For example -

**Primary Score**

**Most meters gained:** 1 point
**Most offloads:** 1 point
**Most line breaks:** 1 point
**Most line break assists:** 1 point
**Most tackles made:** 1 point
**Most kicks and effective meters gained:** 1 point
**Most missed tackles:** -1 point
**Most errors made:** -1 point
**Most penalties conceded:** -1 point
**Try scored:** 2 points


**Judges Score** (3 X judges allocate these points)

**Plays that change the game** (e.g. an outstanding attacking or defensive play, a kick from the sideline or a last second field goal to win the game): 2 points
**Overall player of the game:** 2 points

Whilst this might sound complicated we live in 2021 and can easily create algorithms which produce instant in-game data.

A system like this would ensure the Dally M was based on facts rather than just the opinions of judges.

In terms of Nofa, I think he should have made the NSW squad even if only on the bench, but I also think his defense was probably a liability that Freddy didn't want to take a punt on.

If the NRL produced weekly in-game Dally M data, who knows maybe the winners and our NSW squad would have looked different and won.

That SuperCoach point scoring is really no more efficient. In fact any individual accolades or selections will never be perfect in a team sport, because a great team makes individuals shine.

 

[Guest]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

Who is suggesting that? I know the club won't be paying him that much...

 

[earl]

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

LM did. JAC chased the money.

 

[earl]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

mate I said sign crighton or staggs and then use the spare cash for top up of a Liddle or Luciano or whoever player.
people are suggesting overs for David 500k plus

Who is suggesting that? I know the club won't be paying him that much...

Good.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

if we keep trying we will land a big fish Brandon Smith crightin staggs etc
the day we stop trying we are finished

The interesting thing is that we don’t need Packer or Noffo to leave to sign a big name especially now Reynolds is off our books. We haven’t used the JAC/LM cash. We have cash to burn and not alot of options to upgrade existing players either. With Packer & Mbye coming off our books next 2yrs we have a huge opportunity to really reshape our squad & future if we play it smart.

2021 is going to be a key year in playing the kids and getting them some experience in the top grade. If they are successful quality players will come.

Tamou & if JTJ is on his game could very be the most important signings this club has made outside of Madge & Hartigan since 04-05.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

if we keep trying we will land a big fish Brandon Smith crightin staggs etc
the day we stop trying we are finished

The interesting thing is that we don’t need Packer or Noffo to leave to sign a big name especially now Reynolds is off our books. We haven’t used the JAC/LM cash. We have cash to burn and not alot of options to upgrade existing players either. With Packer & Mbye coming off our books next 2yrs we have a huge opportunity to really reshape our squad & future if we play it smart.

2021 is going to be a key year in playing the kids and getting them some experience in the top grade. If they are successful quality players will come.

Tamou & if JTJ is on his game could very be the most important signings this club has made outside of Madge & Hartigan since 04-05.

you could take Liddle Noffo and Packer money and get Brandon Smith and Staggs or Crighton

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn't be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing


I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it's the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don't have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

well quality players like Brandon Smith and crighton Staggs are good players and attract good players so yes it is worth paying a bit overs to them.
Paying our David any more money will not attract quality players it has not in the past.

You assume those 3 players even want to talk to us...

Even if they did none of them are worth $1.1+ a season.

We offered LM and JAC overs and they went to another club for less (based on reports).

No one is suggesting to sign David on overs but you keep harping on about it.

if we keep trying we will land a big fish Brandon Smith crightin staggs etc
the day we stop trying we are finished

The interesting thing is that we don’t need Packer or Noffo to leave to sign a big name especially now Reynolds is off our books. We haven’t used the JAC/LM cash. We have cash to burn and not alot of options to upgrade existing players either. With Packer & Mbye coming off our books next 2yrs we have a huge opportunity to really reshape our squad & future if we play it smart.

2021 is going to be a key year in playing the kids and getting them some experience in the top grade. If they are successful quality players will come.

Tamou & if JTJ is on his game could very be the most important signings this club has made outside of Madge & Hartigan since 04-05.

Agree on Tamou as a huge signing potentially captain and forward leader doing the job Packer shoukd have done