Des

[rialto]

There is a reason the top coaches get the big bucks & that is they consistently get results be it premierships, top 4 or top 8 finishes. We all know what happens when you pay peanuts….........you get the coaches of the calibre of JT. Would welcome Des not only for his coaching credentials but for his roster management skills etc etc.

JT coached Parra and Souths from bottom of the table into the finals. As for our achievements thus far I think we are getting our money's worth - especially when you consider the Robbie issue.

 

[rialto]

To summarise the Dogs Board as to why Des is on the nose..

- Lack of understanding of the Bulldogs culture.
- Poor exit from the 2016 season.
- Recruitment and spending.
- Lack of care for junior Rugby League.
- Lack of attacking play.

What their problem is… 😕

He just keeps spending.
The dogs made him cut half his staff.
He pays whatever to get whoever he wants regardless of the long term strain on the club.
Manly are still paying for his recruitment.

We can do without more financial problems thank you!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

He would cost us multiple Millions of dollars.

His salary, his coaching & support staff.
New training facilities.
A hyperbolic chamber.
Half a new playing roster.

But a yes for me!

Does he exaggerate so much that he needs a chamber for it? Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

A few here could use a hyperbolic chamber.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

There is a reason the top coaches get the big bucks & that is they consistently get results be it premierships, top 4 or top 8 finishes. We all know what happens when you pay peanuts….........you get the coaches of the calibre of JT. Would welcome Des not only for his coaching credentials but for his roster management skills etc etc.

JT coached Parra and Souths from bottom of the table into the finals. As for our achievements thus far I think we are getting our money's worth - especially when you consider the Robbie issue.

I agree mate. There wasn't much difference between us and the Bulldofs this year ladderwise and their coach is on a million a season I think. Success isn't solely judged on making the finals, granted you cannot win a peemiership without making the 8 but to me this season wasn't a failure because we didn't crack the top 8- wouldn't have felt much different finishing 8th and coping a flogging in the first week of the finals. If we don't make the 8 in 2017 it will be a failure IMO if we don't have too many injury problems.
We are taking small steps but they are going forwards at least. The best is yet to come you would hope.

 

[2041]

No money for the players he would want and no money for him. Our facilities are ancient.
We have no incentive whatsoever.

All things considered we have done well with Taylor. Wayne Bennett had great stats too and Tinkler threw a million at him to coach Newcastle and where did that end up. You have to have the money for the players and we won't be in that position for a little while yet.

Bennett took Newcastle to a preliminary final. You can say what you want about Bennett not building teams for the long term but he was hired to do a job and he did it. The blame for what happened to the Knights lies fully at the door of the fat fool who bought them with money he never had.

Not sure what you mean by "he had a job to do and he did it"? He may have got them to a prelim final (he had a pretty decent roster by the way) but how did he go in his 2nd year- they finished near the bottom of the ladder and Unca Wayne packed up his bat and ball early and scurried out like a cockroach before season's end. For $1 million per season I'd say he was far from doing a good job, or finishing it.

He joined on the basis that there would be money. He left when that stopped being the case. He might have failed in the long term, but it's really impossible to say - the blame for the Knights' collapse clearly lies elsewhere.

 

[851]

In the 14 years hes been coaching…. hes taken teams to the finals thirteen times.
In the 17 years weve existed... ....weve managed to make the finals three times.
No brainer.
Id love him here too...it wouldnt be easy, but it would be worth it imo

That is a good analogy, and well worth the risk.

 

[magpiecol]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

Very well said tigerap. Have yet to see a coach win a premiership with a substandard roster.
As you say, give any of the "supercoaches" a dud team and they won't be able to get much more out of them than a supposed crap coach.

According to the Australian selectors, the Weststigers were a sub-standard team in 05.

Not one of the players were selected for Australia that year. (from my recollection).

 

[Geo]

Wrong Col…Scott Prince was selected in the final squad...

 

[851]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

Very well said tigerap. Have yet to see a coach win a premiership with a substandard roster.
As you say, give any of the "supercoaches" a dud team and they won't be able to get much more out of them than a supposed crap coach.

According to the Australian selectors, the Weststigers were a sub-standard team in 05.

Not one of the players were selected for Australia that year. (from my recollection).

Almost a team of no rep players Col, Prince played 1 game in the tri series at the end of year, and the Fat played for the Kiwis in the series.

 

[newtiger]

All things considered we have done well with Taylor. Wayne Bennett had great stats too and Tinkler threw a million at him to coach Newcastle and where did that end up. You have to have the money for the players and we won't be in that position for a little while yet.

Bennett took Newcastle to a preliminary final. You can say what you want about Bennett not building teams for the long term but he was hired to do a job and he did it. The blame for what happened to the Knights lies fully at the door of the fat fool who bought them with money he never had.

Not sure what you mean by "he had a job to do and he did it"? He may have got them to a prelim final (he had a pretty decent roster by the way) but how did he go in his 2nd year- they finished near the bottom of the ladder and Unca Wayne packed up his bat and ball early and scurried out like a cockroach before season's end. For $1 million per season I'd say he was far from doing a good job, or finishing it.

He joined on the basis that there would be money. He left when that stopped being the case. He might have failed in the long term, but it's really impossible to say - the blame for the Knights' collapse clearly lies elsewhere.

Bennett won all those premierships at the Broncos with Ken Talbot's brown paper bags full of money.
The NRL won't investigate because they are a News Ltd team, and we can't upset Rupet.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

There is a reason the top coaches get the big bucks & that is they consistently get results be it premierships, top 4 or top 8 finishes. We all know what happens when you pay peanuts….........you get the coaches of the calibre of JT. Would welcome Des not only for his coaching credentials but for his roster management skills etc etc.

JT coached Parra and Souths from bottom of the table into the finals. As for our achievements thus far I think we are getting our money's worth - especially when you consider the Robbie issue.

He created the Robbie issue and Robbie's exclusion kept us out of the finals - Taylor would have been a hero if he had left Farah in. As well the fans were united with RF coming off the bench and playing excellently. Surely the club would have earned a few hundred thousands of dollars extra by reaching finals.

 

[Masterton]

There is a reason the top coaches get the big bucks & that is they consistently get results be it premierships, top 4 or top 8 finishes. We all know what happens when you pay peanuts….........you get the coaches of the calibre of JT. Would welcome Des not only for his coaching credentials but for his roster management skills etc etc.

JT coached Parra and Souths from bottom of the table into the finals. As for our achievements thus far I think we are getting our money's worth - especially when you consider the Robbie issue.

He created the Robbie issue and Robbie's exclusion kept us out of the finals - Taylor would have been a hero if he had left Farah in. As well the fans were united with RF coming off the bench and playing excellently. Surely the club would have earned a few hundred thousands of dollars extra by reaching finals.

Oh, please. Fair enough, you would have liked Farah in the side. But if you think he would have guaranteed us a semi spot, you're delusional.

 

[matchball]

There is a reason the top coaches get the big bucks & that is they consistently get results be it premierships, top 4 or top 8 finishes. We all know what happens when you pay peanuts….........you get the coaches of the calibre of JT. Would welcome Des not only for his coaching credentials but for his roster management skills etc etc.

JT coached Parra and Souths from bottom of the table into the finals. As for our achievements thus far I think we are getting our money's worth - especially when you consider the Robbie issue.

He created the Robbie issue and Robbie's exclusion kept us out of the finals - Taylor would have been a hero if he had left Farah in. As well the fans were united with RF coming off the bench and playing excellently. Surely the club would have earned a few hundred thousands of dollars extra by reaching finals.

Lol.
Farah would have bought home the grand final in 2016 if he played.
I love these hypothetical scenarios where pundits envision their heroes being the be all and end all.
It's cute.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

There is a reason the top coaches get the big bucks & that is they consistently get results be it premierships, top 4 or top 8 finishes. We all know what happens when you pay peanuts….........you get the coaches of the calibre of JT. Would welcome Des not only for his coaching credentials but for his roster management skills etc etc.

JT coached Parra and Souths from bottom of the table into the finals. As for our achievements thus far I think we are getting our money's worth - especially when you consider the Robbie issue.

He created the Robbie issue and Robbie's exclusion kept us out of the finals - Taylor would have been a hero if he had left Farah in. As well the fans were united with RF coming off the bench and playing excellently. Surely the club would have earned a few hundred thousands of dollars extra by reaching finals.

Oh, please. Fair enough, you would have liked Farah in the side. But if you think he would have guaranteed us a semi spot, you're delusional.

Only one field goal was needed against the Titans and Robbie is a specialist at it. He had also scored tries in last two WT games - he was replaced by out of position players without a stable force under pressure.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

The Farah decision was for a long-term benefit Byron. Our future lies in Moses, Tedesco, maybe Brooks. It seems from an outsiders point of view that Farah maybe was hindering their development and ability to take control of the game. Wasn't happy with the way the saga drama played out but I would rather have Farah leave the club at that stage of his career than Moses or Ted.
Gaining a bit of extra cash for scraping into the 8 wouldn't really do much for us long term anyhow.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

The Farah decision was for a long-term benefit Byron. Our future lies in Moses, Tedesco, maybe Brooks. It seems from an outsiders point of view that Farah maybe was hindering their development and ability to take control of the game. Wasn't happy with the way the saga drama played out but I would rather have Farah leave the club at that stage of his career than Moses or Ted.
Gaining a bit of extra cash for scraping into the 8 wouldn't really do much for us long term anyhow.

The whole board was for Farah coming in off the bench it seemed to be working so well. A few more games under Farah's belt would not have hurt the young halves. Greater good would have been for them to have experience in finals football. The extra cash for final 8 game may have paid for his back-ending for a year. I did not see the first round encounter against Raiders as was OS, of course they would not have won that 2nd round game with him but they may have kept about 2 ton of pride in front of 20,000 fans.

 

[andrew 474]

If the Bulldogs dump Des my question would be which club will dump their current coach and grab him for 2017
I think there may be a few Coaches a little nervous if he is dumped as most say by Friday ,

Brown , Barrett , McGregor ,
I would have said Taylor but no cash means no changes , it still looks like we are struggling to sign or announce new players to the club so Des is no chance at the Tigers

 

[TYGA]

Des to Dragons lock it in.

 

[matchball]

Des to Dragons lock it in.

Doust has to do something to keep surviving.
He must have some bad dirt on someone.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Not really sold on Des. Yes he has a good record of making the top 8 but really, he has had pretty good quality sides the whole of his coaching career. That accounts for a lot IMO.
The fact that Mortimer has come out and half pie bagged him speaks volumes. Not sure how Dessie would go with an underperforming team that lacks star players. Like most coaches IMO he would struggle.
Happy to stick with Taylor for another year or 2 and see what he can do once he has cut away a lot of dead weight around the club. Chopping and changing coaches every year achieves nothing, they all have their own game plan and preferred style of coaching that takes a few years to implement (getting the roster as they want it etc).
No matter who was coaching us there would still be the devisive element of WT fans who wouldn't be happy even if Jack Gibson was coaching our team.