Des

[2041]

No money for the players he would want and no money for him. Our facilities are ancient.
We have no incentive whatsoever.

All things considered we have done well with Taylor. Wayne Bennett had great stats too and Tinkler threw a million at him to coach Newcastle and where did that end up. You have to have the money for the players and we won't be in that position for a little while yet.

Bennett took Newcastle to a preliminary final. You can say what you want about Bennett not building teams for the long term but he was hired to do a job and he did it. The blame for what happened to the Knights lies fully at the door of the fat fool who bought them with money he never had.

 

[Snake]

It is all about money … there are 3 proven successful coaches on the market and the Tigers are stuck with Taylor.
Maybe one day the club will have money to go to the next level in my life time I hope .

 

[TCL]

No money for the players he would want and no money for him. Our facilities are ancient.
We have no incentive whatsoever.

All things considered we have done well with Taylor. Wayne Bennett had great stats too and Tinkler threw a million at him to coach Newcastle and where did that end up. You have to have the money for the players and we won't be in that position for a little while yet.

2018 is reported as the the year that we will be good to go. So if Des was to join the club in 2017 then he would have a year to look at the existing players and make moves to secure players to fill the gaps.

I also think one of the problems with Des is his entourage of support coaches. But you need to surround yourself with good people to get good results.

 

[Sco77y]

Director sounds like a tool, can't even string a coherent sentence together.. Finals every year he's coached and 2 grand finals not good enough for them lol.. We'll take him!

Steve Mortimer fears Canterbury Bulldogs 'losing our DNA' under Des Hasler

Canterbury legend and director Steve Mortimer fears the Bulldogs are "losing our DNA" under Des Hasler ahead of a critical meeting that could determine the coach's future at the club.

Several Bulldogs directors are concerned about the direction of the "Family Club" under Hasler, with the issue to be thrashed out an emergency meeting on Friday. Hasler is contracted until the end of next year, while negotiations for a two-year extension - which have been ongoing for more than six months - appear to have stalled.

It's understood that if Hasler were to part company with the club, former Bulldogs forward and Raiders assistant coach Dean Pay is the favourite to take over.

Mortimer, one of the club's favourite sons, is a director of both the leagues and football clubs. The former halfback said he respected Hasler as a coach, but questioned whether the former Manly mentor was the right fit at Belmore.

"I've had a couple of footballers say to me as a director 'Turvey, we're losing our DNA, the Bulldogs,'" Mortimer told Fairfax Media.

"I sat down with them and I'm saying, 'I think we might be'.

"I'm old enough to have played two years with the Berries and I've got an idea of how the former coaches have strengthened the DNA of the Bulldogs in winning, getting up in the finals and even winning a premiership.

"The players who have come up to me saying we are losing our DNA and I've had a look at it and I understand what they're talking about. That's why the directors [want to] review this and look for the betterment of the Bulldogs to make them the greatest club and team.

Under scrutiny: Bulldogs coach Des Hasler.
Under scrutiny: Bulldogs coach Des Hasler. Photo: Getty Images
"It's about winning premierships. It's about being up there. It's about developing your own - even though I came from Wagga - good players. That certainly hasn't happened over the last five years."

The Bulldogs have made the playoffs in all five years Hasler has been at the helm, including two grand final losses. However, some powerbrokers feel they aren't getting enough bang for their buck since he joined. There are also concerns that Canterbury's junior system has been neglected, resulting in rivals pinching the district's best young talent.

"He has been there for five years and taken us to two grand finals, which is terrific. But there's a number of things in that," Mortimer said.

"We're worried about our junior rugby league. We really want to develop our junior rugby league so we can produce our own great players. There's certainly nothing like that happening in the last five years."

Hasler has had control over his football staff appointments throughout his tenure, although that was recently put to a halt. A number of staffers brought in by Hasler - including recruiters Noel Cleal and mind coach John Novak - have parted company with the club in the off season. Some have perceived this as a weakening of Hasler's power base at the blue and whites.

"When I came on board I didn't understand that he would bring eight or 10 people with him or whatever it may be," Mortimer said.

"To me, I'm old school and I don't think that's appropriate."

Another legendary Bulldog, Terry Lamb, had previously stated he believed Hasler didn't understand the club's culture. Asked about that observation, Mortimer said: "As a director and former player, with Terry Lamb, I do now know where he is coming from."

It's understood the performance of CEO Raelene Castle and several other issues will be addressed on Friday.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/steve-mortimer-fears-canterbury-bulldogs-losing-our-dna-under-des-hasler-20161011-gs007y.html

 

[jirskyr]

A hyperbolic chamber.

I think our players exaggerate enough as it is, thank you very much.

(sorry couldn't resist)

 

[magpiecol]

I heard Des was on around 1.2 million Dollars next year
His track record is very good
He is a hard man
Just what we need , Wests Tigers should borrow $ 3 million and sign him up for three years , results turn into money and he gets results
He may bring 1 or 2 good players with him

"He is a hard man". What does that mean?

If he came in this year and got rid of Farah, would you feel the same?

His stats are good, both at Manly and Canterbury. However, he had different personnel than we have and that is a big difference.

Something must not be right at the Dogs.

 

[TopTiger]

There is a reason the top coaches get the big bucks & that is they consistently get results be it premierships, top 4 or top 8 finishes. We all know what happens when you pay peanuts….........you get the coaches of the calibre of JT. Would welcome Des not only for his coaching credentials but for his roster management skills etc etc.

 

[tigerap]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It's a twofold benefit for us. It will guarantee results as Des will demand nothing but the best from the squad. It will also separate the men from the boys and they'll be moved on accordingly. I reckon it has the potential to be a good driver of cultural change.

 

[matchball]

I heard Des was on around 1.2 million Dollars next year
His track record is very good
He is a hard man
Just what we need , Wests Tigers should borrow $ 3 million and sign him up for three years , results turn into money and he gets results
He may bring 1 or 2 good players with him

Still paying Robbie.
We need money bags trigabouf to die and leave his estate to Wests Tigers for that to happen.

Tigers won't ever be a super club that attracts a super coach and I'm ok with that.
Yes it brought the Dragons quick success but once Bennett left the club was broken. Clubs always suffer after a supercoach leaves.
Des would blow our budgets out and leave us in a worse state of financial affairs.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Unlikely to happen but gee it would be interesting to see what he would do with the current squad, the type of football we play etc.

 

[Geo]

To summarise the Dogs Board as to why Des is on the nose..

- Lack of understanding of the Bulldogs culture.
- Poor exit from the 2016 season.
- Recruitment and spending.
- Lack of care for junior Rugby League.
- Lack of attacking play.

What their problem is… 😕

 

[matchball]

To summarise the Dogs Board as to why Des is on the nose..

- Lack of understanding of the Bulldogs culture.
- Poor exit from the 2016 season.
- Recruitment and spending.
- Lack of care for junior Rugby League.
- Lack of attacking play.

What their problem is… 😕

He just keeps spending.
The dogs made him cut half his staff.
He pays whatever to get whoever he wants regardless of the long term strain on the club.
Manly are still paying for his recruitment.

 

[Abraham]

Des will probably go back to Manly, considering Barrett's underwhelming coaching debut, and the fact that they are one of the few clubs who could afford him.

He won't be coming here, that's for sure.

 

[jirskyr]

I just can't understand how Dogs have made 5 finals including 2 GFs under Hasler and they are unhappy. And he got those same type of results at Manly, so it's not just a fluke.

When they signed him, did they expect him to be a budget coach? Did they not seek out anyone at Manly for an opinion on the new candidate?

People say they wish WTs standards were as high as Bulldogs, but there are standards and there are unrealistic expectations.

OK so maybe Des spends too much money to keep his team near the top, but it does keep them near the top! Perhaps they need a few seasons of low spending and finishing 10-12th in order to realise Hasler has had pretty good results all things considered.

Personally I think the Dogs board is doing a Farah to Hasler. He is too expensive and they are seeing diminishing returns on the last years of his contract. The Bulldogs side is definitely not improving and I think they were upset with how meekly the Dogs finished and exited 2016\. The best days for the current squad are behind them and there is no obviously injection of special talent that might be turning things around. The young halves and hooker are not developing as planned and the forwards are aging.

They talk about lack of junior league development, but that is not the purview of the first-grade head coach.

No, I think the Dogs think Hasler is running out of innovation and pushing a coaching style that is less and less competitive (big forwards with ball movement). I feel the rest is just innuendo to create tension and either force him out, or cut his costs / fees.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

No money for the players he would want and no money for him. Our facilities are ancient.
We have no incentive whatsoever.

All things considered we have done well with Taylor. Wayne Bennett had great stats too and Tinkler threw a million at him to coach Newcastle and where did that end up. You have to have the money for the players and we won't be in that position for a little while yet.

Bennett took Newcastle to a preliminary final. You can say what you want about Bennett not building teams for the long term but he was hired to do a job and he did it. The blame for what happened to the Knights lies fully at the door of the fat fool who bought them with money he never had.

Not sure what you mean by "he had a job to do and he did it"? He may have got them to a prelim final (he had a pretty decent roster by the way) but how did he go in his 2nd year- they finished near the bottom of the ladder and Unca Wayne packed up his bat and ball early and scurried out like a cockroach before season's end. For $1 million per season I'd say he was far from doing a good job, or finishing it.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

Very well said tigerap. Have yet to see a coach win a premiership with a substandard roster.
As you say, give any of the "supercoaches" a dud team and they won't be able to get much more out of them than a supposed crap coach.

 

[Tiger4life]

I just can't understand how Dogs have made 5 finals including 2 GFs under Hasler and they are unhappy. And he got those same type of results at Manly, so it's not just a fluke.

When they signed him, did they expect him to be a budget coach? Did they not seek out anyone at Manly for an opinion on the new candidate?

People say they wish WTs standards were as high as Bulldogs, but there are standards and there are unrealistic expectations.

OK so maybe Des spends too much money to keep his team near the top, but it does keep them near the top! Perhaps they need a few seasons of low spending and finishing 10-12th in order to realise Hasler has had pretty good results all things considered.

Personally I think the Dogs board is doing a Farah to Hasler. He is too expensive and they are seeing diminishing returns on the last years of his contract. The Bulldogs side is definitely not improving and I think they were upset with how meekly the Dogs finished and exited 2016\. The best days for the current squad are behind them and there is no obviously injection of special talent that might be turning things around. The young halves and hooker are not developing as planned and the forwards are aging.

They talk about lack of junior league development, but that is not the purview of the first-grade head coach.

No, I think the Dogs think Hasler is running out of innovation and pushing a coaching style that is less and less competitive (big forwards with ball movement). I feel the rest is just innuendo to create tension and either force him out, or cut his costs / fees.

Hasler keeps playing a style that worked 3 years ago and is now ineffective. Its interesting that such a succesful coach hasnt been able to adapt and change gameplan/tactics. Im sure there would be a few nervous coaches watching this story very very closely.

 

[sideline_eye]

He would cost us multiple Millions of dollars.

His salary, his coaching & support staff.
New training facilities.
A hyperbolic chamber.
Half a new playing roster.

But a yes for me!

Does he exaggerate so much that he needs a chamber for it? Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

 

[rialto]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

X2.