Des

[TYGA]

Des to Dragons lock it in.

Doust has to do something to keep surviving.
He must have some bad dirt on someone.

Similar situation to Dogs signing Hassler after Kevin Moore.

 

[stevetiger]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

Very well said tigerap. Have yet to see a coach win a premiership with a substandard roster.
As you say, give any of the "supercoaches" a dud team and they won't be able to get much more out of them than a supposed crap coach.

I agree as well. Taylor is a funny one though because he came in with stupid ideas and has made some significant mistakes. I'm worried though that a supercoach could do the same thing.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

JT coached Parra and Souths from bottom of the table into the finals. As for our achievements thus far I think we are getting our money's worth - especially when you consider the Robbie issue.

He created the Robbie issue and Robbie's exclusion kept us out of the finals - Taylor would have been a hero if he had left Farah in. As well the fans were united with RF coming off the bench and playing excellently. Surely the club would have earned a few hundred thousands of dollars extra by reaching finals.

Oh, please. Fair enough, you would have liked Farah in the side. But if you think he would have guaranteed us a semi spot, you're delusional.

Only one field goal was needed against the Titans and Robbie is a specialist at it. He had also scored tries in last two WT games - he was replaced by out of position players without a stable force under pressure.

As said numerous times before, who's to say if he played we'd have been in the position to need the field goal? We could have got dicked by 20 if he played. You're making assumptions on an impossible scenario. The only argument you can make is that you feel if he played we'd have had a better chance of winning. You cannot with certainty say he would have guaranteed victory, or slotted a field goal when required, again it is an impossible scenario and would not have played out the same way if he were there. Very simplistic analysis of the situation.

 

[yeti]

There is a reason the top coaches get the big bucks & that is they consistently get results be it premierships, top 4 or top 8 finishes. We all know what happens when you pay peanuts….........you get the coaches of the calibre of JT. Would welcome Des not only for his coaching credentials but for his roster management skills etc etc.

JT coached Parra and Souths from bottom of the table into the finals. As for our achievements thus far I think we are getting our money's worth - especially when you consider the Robbie issue.

He created the Robbie issue and Robbie's exclusion kept us out of the finals - Taylor would have been a hero if he had left Farah in. As well the fans were united with RF coming off the bench and playing excellently. Surely the club would have earned a few hundred thousands of dollars extra by reaching finals.

Lol.
Farah would have bought home the grand final in 2016 if he played.
I love these hypothetical scenarios where pundits envision their heroes being the be all and end all.
It's cute.

Its boring!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Also, how do you figure we'd be a few hundred thousand better off for making the finals? You only get $100K IIRC for winning the JJ Giltnan Shield? That's the team who finishes first past the post. How do you a figure a team running eighth will rake in a few hunjy?

 

[happy_tiger]

The Farah decision was for a long-term benefit Byron. Our future lies in Moses, Tedesco, maybe Brooks. It seems from an outsiders point of view that Farah maybe was hindering their development and ability to take control of the game. Wasn't happy with the way the saga drama played out but I would rather have Farah leave the club at that stage of his career than Moses or Ted.
Gaining a bit of extra cash for scraping into the 8 wouldn't really do much for us long term anyhow.

The boys needed to learn to stand on their own two feet

Whenever they got into in a crisis they would turn to Farah and Farah would throw the game plan out the window

I think that was what impressed me the most with Moses Tedesco and Brooks the 2nd half of the season , they learnt when to stick with the game plan or when to change to Plan B

We just need to learn and find a way to match it with the bigger , more mobile sides like the Roosters ,Raiders etc

Maybe the links that had Des play with the Magpies in the late 80's will get him to the WT's
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[Kavi]

Also, how do you figure we'd be a few hundred thousand better off for making the finals? You only get $100K IIRC for winning the JJ Giltnan Shield? That's the team who finishes first past the post. How do you a figure a team running eighth will rake in a few hunjy?

found on triple mmm
Prizemoney during the Finals series includes:
Minor Premiers ($100,000)

Finals Week 1 loser ($20,000 per team)

Finals Week 2 loser ($30,000 per team)

Finals Week 3 Losers ($100,000 per team)

Grand Final Runner Up ($200,000)

Grand Final Winner ($400,000)

The spokesman said an additional $1.5 million was available to clubs reaching the Finals in corporate hospitality and cash incentives for achieving gate and attendance targets during the Finals.

The NRL has indicated it is prepared to pool a greater share of the club grants to increase the Minor Premiership prizemoney if the clubs support such a move.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

So we get scrape in with Farah's efforts and get bundled out in week one, it's only worth 20K. Far from the few hundred thousand that Byron was suggesting.

 

[cqtiger]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

Very well said tigerap. Have yet to see a coach win a premiership with a substandard roster.
As you say, give any of the "supercoaches" a dud team and they won't be able to get much more out of them than a supposed crap coach.

The only real supercoach was Jack Gibson. My opinion.
He didn't win premierships everywhere he went but he did go to lowly clubs and improve them.

I have never rated Bennett. Only my opinion.
I do rate Bellamy but he has had teams with superstars in all the right positions.

 

[cqtiger]

The Farah decision was for a long-term benefit Byron. Our future lies in Moses, Tedesco, maybe Brooks. It seems from an outsiders point of view that Farah maybe was hindering their development and ability to take control of the game. Wasn't happy with the way the saga drama played out but I would rather have Farah leave the club at that stage of his career than Moses or Ted.
Gaining a bit of extra cash for scraping into the 8 wouldn't really do much for us long term anyhow.

The boys needed to learn to stand on their own two feet

Whenever they got into in a crisis they would turn to Farah and Farah would throw the game plan out the window

I think that was what impressed me the most with Moses Tedesco and Brooks the 2nd half of the season , they learnt when to stick with the game plan or when to change to Plan B

We just need to learn and find a way to match it with the bigger , more mobile sides like the Roosters ,Raiders etc

Maybe the links that had Des play with the Magpies in the late 80's will get him to the WT's
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Hap, agree 100%.

 

[Eye_Of_Da_Tiger]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

Good players want to be coached by good coaches. Sponsors want to back winners(TPAS). Got to give the good players a reason to want to come the rest works itself out. Just my view.

 

[TCL]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

Very well said tigerap. Have yet to see a coach win a premiership with a substandard roster.
As you say, give any of the "supercoaches" a dud team and they won't be able to get much more out of them than a supposed crap coach.

Not disagreeing, but i think our 2005 team while not substandard wasn't seen as a team that was going to take out the GF and Sheens got them there. Benji and RF where technically rookies, Prince was an injury prone discard, our pack was small so and so on. Would a lesser coach have gotten them there who knows but IMO probably not.

 

[TopTiger]

These so called super coaches are a myth in my opinion.

Des, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennet are only super coaches because they only coach for the powerhouse clubs, who can rort the TPA system to develop a big name player roster.

Put Des in charge of Newcastle in 2017 for example and he will do no better Nathan Brown will given the players they have.

And because they only coach for rich clubs they command million dollar salaries.

Good players want to be coached by good coaches. Sponsors want to back winners(TPAS). Got to give the good players a reason to want to come the rest works itself out. Just my view.

X2, sign Des and they will come…......................hopefully!!

 

[Spartan117]

Im NOT so hot for Des.

He has virtually left Manly and the dogs in Financial Disarray.

Yes we would undoubtedly see short term improvement but I think that s coming next season anyway.

I hated the way the dogs have played in the last few seasons and whilst making a GF they were hardly in it.

I like where we are headed and am willing to give JT 2 more seasons. I think in 2017 we are capable of putting in a Season like the raiders did in 2016.

 

[bigsiro]

In the 14 years hes been coaching…. hes taken teams to the finals thirteen times.
In the 17 years weve existed... ....weve managed to make the finals three times.
No brainer.
Id love him here too...it wouldnt be easy, but it would be worth it imo

That is a good analogy, and well worth the risk.

OMG Yes. Except I'd go further and say it is barely a risk.

Our own fans saying No to Des must have contracted the dreaded psychiatric disease which is very infectious on here known as "WT inferiority complex". Its symptoms have been known to cloud judgment due to an unknown compulsion to settle for mediocrity…

Get well soon.

 

[matchball]

Im NOT so hot for Des.

He has virtually left Manly and the dogs in Financial Disarray.

Yes we would undoubtedly see short term improvement but I think that s coming next season anyway.

I hated the way the dogs have played in the last few seasons and whilst making a GF they were hardly in it.

I like where we are headed and am willing to give JT 2 more seasons. I think in 2017 we are capable of putting in a Season like the raiders did in 2016.

Rest assured because it's basically an impossibility.
We aren't or ever will be in a position to spend 1m plus a year on a coach.

 

[TCL]

Im NOT so hot for Des.

He has virtually left Manly and the dogs in Financial Disarray.

Yes we would undoubtedly see short term improvement but I think that s coming next season anyway.

I hated the way the dogs have played in the last few seasons and whilst making a GF they were hardly in it.

I like where we are headed and am willing to give JT 2 more seasons. I think in 2017 we are capable of putting in a Season like the raiders did in 2016.

I agree that the dogs were not the most exciting team to watch but i'm not sure that Des coached them to play that way i think he coached to what he had. When he was at Manly he had Foran and DCE and they were exciting to watch.

IMO with Moses, Brooks and Tedesco he would coach a more expansive football.

IMO JT isnt going to take our team to the next level but if he does i am happy to eat a big slice of humble pie!

 

[stevetiger]

Im NOT so hot for Des.

Neither am I. I don't rate Taylor but there have been some positive signs. If Taylor stuffs this year up again I think he should be punted. I wouldn't be rushing in to buying a coach who thinks he is worth overs though.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Wonder if the Dogs would consider a swap deal JT for Des :smiley:

 

[851]

Wonder if the Dogs would consider a swap deal JT for Des :smiley:

Hell yeh, we will even throw a couple of players in to sweeten the deal, Rankin for one. :laughing: