Does size matter?

@Swordy said:
@Tiger_Pete said:
@dimitri said:
Hope Taylor knows what he's doing with recruitment because he finally has the team he wanted.

Not sure we can say it's the team he wanted as he's had no serious cap money to spend since he joined us.

Exactly. The team he wanted…..with a third of the money available.

That's true, but he knew he was getting when he came here. Even he would have known that he wasn't going to replace most of the plodders in his time here, the board kept rolling out Updates about the club , that were hardly encouraging.
He said he could work with what we had, so he's just got to use what's there
He's probably got the best players that he could have expected.
 
@barra said:
Yes.
It has been an issue for us that we have all three of Moses, Brooks and Kevvie in the defensive line, with only average sized forwards to help them. I reckon it was a reason that Cherrington didn't work out - we couldn't handle using another small body.

So maybe not so much that we're not monsters, but we have too many lightweights?

Also our middle-metres were terrible which might point to not having enough big boppers/too small average size.

A lot of our problem is more than just size( Brooks , for one,is big for a half)
Problems with their defence is made worse because two of them are on the same side, and we have another problem on the left side as well. It's almost impossible to hide 3 weak defenders, whatever size they are.
My worry for this year , is if Idris plays on the right side as well, we will have more problems there than we had last season.
Unless a lot has changed , Idris will iron out one or two blokes occasionally, if they run straight at him, , but if he has to move laterally, the danger flags will be flying.
I hope he's improved, but if he hasn't, it could get very ugly near our line.
Idris, Kevvie and Moses side by side could be a nightmare in Defence.
 
Who cares if he knew "what he was getting into"? That's just a cop out. Plenty of "good coaches" wouldn't put themselves into that situation to begin with to simply save face. Taylor did know " what he was getting into" and took the punt that he could make a difference and change the club. I find it amusing that ppl can't see that he is dealing with, and doing the best with what he is dealt… yes he could have made some better selections, but there are reasons to which we are none the wiser to... I'm all for giving him an extra year with a full cap, regardless of results this year... no other coach could do better on a 40 hr famine budget... it's all well and good to pretend you know better, but you try deal with the inside issues as well and see how you go. Atleast he is making some hard decisions that others were too gutless, or had no support to do.
 
Personally I think too much height is a bad thing, except for your wingers. I want as much weight as possible into as dynamic a square frame as possible, because that is the hardest to tackle.

The Gallens, Taumololos, Nofos, all square and strong. I'd sign up 15 of those build, plus two really tall wingers and be satisfied.
 
@jirskyr said:
Personally I think too much height is a bad thing, except for your wingers. I want as much weight as possible into as dynamic a square frame as possible, because that is the hardest to tackle.

The Gallens, Taumololos, Nofos, all square and strong. I'd sign up 15 of those build, plus two really tall wingers and be satisfied.

For props maybe but height = reach = fend. Guys like GI and Jamal at their best would be a nightmare to tackle.
 
@Nelson said:
@jirskyr said:
Personally I think too much height is a bad thing, except for your wingers. I want as much weight as possible into as dynamic a square frame as possible, because that is the hardest to tackle.

The Gallens, Taumololos, Nofos, all square and strong. I'd sign up 15 of those build, plus two really tall wingers and be satisfied.

For props maybe but height = reach = fend. Guys like GI and Jamal at their best would be a nightmare to tackle.

I get what you are saying but Tedesco has a great fend and he's only 1.80 m, so does Isaac Luke and he's 1.74 m.

It's probably fair to say there are exceptions / freaks of the game to all rugby league concepts.

Myself, if we are talking about height, I think it's VERY secondary to weight. If they can lift you easily, you are in trouble. And taller players have some advantages in terms of potential fends and offloads, but they also give more target area to hit.

I always had this opinion since the days of Paul McNicholas (Sharks) and Matt Parsons (Knights). Both were around 6'6"-6'7" and huge units, but they'd just get drilled around the torso. Not that they weren't competent players, but I always thought they could do to be a bit shorter and not give the defenders so much surface to put their shoulders. Parsons was super broad so he carried a bucketload of weight, he was something like 130 kg. McNicholas was quite skinny around the waist (for his size) and really suffered from good legs tackles.

I then thought much the same about Keithy Galloway who is around 6'4", but a little bit on the skinner side in his legs.
 
Yeh it all depends how you run and hit the line… Kilo never dropped a shoulder or hip... Ran very upright with no footwork and always ended up lifted and dumped on his back
 
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog…
 
@dimitri said:
Hope not.

Out of all the teams we only have 3 players in our top 25 that are 190cm and above. The least of all the clubs.

The majority of clubs have at least 7/25 players. Notable teams are Souths 12/25, Melbourne 11/25, Dogs 10/25 and Cowboys 11/25.

**Hope Taylor knows what he's doing with recruitment because he finally has the team he wanted.**

Incorrect. I'd say 75% of the side is due to him and who he wants. He'll never have 100% of it till '18 due to the cap restraints.
 
Does height matter? Put Naiqama and Nofo on one wing with Nene McDonald and Daniel Tupou up against them with the same halves feeding them the ball via passes and kicks and see who scores more.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@dimitri said:
Hope not.

Out of all the teams we only have 3 players in our top 25 that are 190cm and above. The least of all the clubs.

The majority of clubs have at least 7/25 players. Notable teams are Souths 12/25, Melbourne 11/25, Dogs 10/25 and Cowboys 11/25.

**Hope Taylor knows what he's doing with recruitment because he finally has the team he wanted.**

Incorrect. I'd say 75% of the side is due to him and who he wants. He'll never have 100% of it till '18 due to the cap restraints.

75% is still a good portion. Im not sure many NRL coaches have 100% the team they want.
 
Keith Galloway
Jason Cayless
Ryan O'Hara
Tame Tupou
Taquele Naiva….. Nava.... erm. Mr T

All massive units. Tall and heavy.

All hit like Marshmellow Farts. (when they played for us at least)

Now let me give you another list.

Brett Hodgson
Marika Koroibete
Matt Utai
Anthony LaFranchi
Liam Fulton
Luke O'Donnell

All threw themselves at everything 100% when they played for us.

I'd take effort over size any day of the week - although effort AND size would be nice on occasion. :smiley:
 
@Tiger Come Lately said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@dimitri said:
Hope not.

Out of all the teams we only have 3 players in our top 25 that are 190cm and above. The least of all the clubs.

The majority of clubs have at least 7/25 players. Notable teams are Souths 12/25, Melbourne 11/25, Dogs 10/25 and Cowboys 11/25.

**Hope Taylor knows what he's doing with recruitment because he finally has the team he wanted.**

Incorrect. I'd say 75% of the side is due to him and who he wants. He'll never have 100% of it till '18 due to the cap restraints.

75% is still a good portion. Im not sure many NRL coaches have 100% the team they want.

But they don't walk into clubs and are forced to wait 2 years before they have the freedom to go into the player market. It's been far from ideal for him, but I think he's made do pretty well securing guys like ET, Idris,Grant and Aoliai.
 
Edrick Lee's lofty frame would of been bloody nice to have had leaping down the sideline for us. Shame he has been snapped up by Cronulla. Would of loved to have had a beanpole winger in our squad to at least compete on the high kicks.
 
@jirskyr said:
@Nelson said:
@jirskyr said:
Personally I think too much height is a bad thing, except for your wingers. I want as much weight as possible into as dynamic a square frame as possible, because that is the hardest to tackle.

The Gallens, Taumololos, Nofos, all square and strong. I'd sign up 15 of those build, plus two really tall wingers and be satisfied.

For props maybe but height = reach = fend. Guys like GI and Jamal at their best would be a nightmare to tackle.

I get what you are saying but Tedesco has a great fend and he's only 1.80 m, so does Isaac Luke and he's 1.74 m.

It's probably fair to say there are exceptions / freaks of the game to all rugby league concepts.

Myself, if we are talking about height, I think it's VERY secondary to weight. If they can lift you easily, you are in trouble. And taller players have some advantages in terms of potential fends and offloads, but they also give more target area to hit.

I always had this opinion since the days of Paul McNicholas (Sharks) and Matt Parsons (Knights). Both were around 6'6"-6'7" and huge units, but they'd just get drilled around the torso. Not that they weren't competent players, but I always thought they could do to be a bit shorter and not give the defenders so much surface to put their shoulders. Parsons was super broad so he carried a bucketload of weight, he was something like 130 kg. McNicholas was quite skinny around the waist (for his size) and really suffered from good legs tackles.

I then thought much the same about Keithy Galloway who is around 6'4", but a little bit on the skinner side in his legs.

The blokes up around that 6ft 6 /7 are easier to get under their fends as they have too far to reach down to low tackles

All your strength in breaking tackles is all generated from the top of your thighs to your shoulders , your torso

So your square blokes are usually hardest to tackle and the strongest blokes

Examples Glenn Lazarus , Taumalolo , Wally Lewis ,Watmong etc
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@Tiger Come Lately said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@dimitri said:
Hope not.

Out of all the teams we only have 3 players in our top 25 that are 190cm and above. The least of all the clubs.

The majority of clubs have at least 7/25 players. Notable teams are Souths 12/25, Melbourne 11/25, Dogs 10/25 and Cowboys 11/25.

**Hope Taylor knows what he's doing with recruitment because he finally has the team he wanted.**

Incorrect. I'd say 75% of the side is due to him and who he wants. He'll never have 100% of it till '18 due to the cap restraints.

75% is still a good portion. Im not sure many NRL coaches have 100% the team they want.

But they don't walk into clubs and are forced to wait 2 years before they have the freedom to go into the player market. It's been far from ideal for him, but I think he's made do pretty well securing guys like ET, Idris,Grant and Aoliai.

He would have known what he was getting into.
Did a better job last year when compared to his first and this year will be make or break.
I'm not sold on him yet, but I'm happy to be wrong.
 
It's not a matter of who's better or worse in size comparatively. For instance is Inglis, Kasiano, Oates, Bromwich better than the shorter Mansour, Tamolo, Jennings, Scott? They're all good players regardless of stature.

Its about having a point of difference to enable variation in both attack and defence.

It'll be interesting to see how us short arses go this year.
 
@ said:
Yeah well they do say that size does matter….but I remember years ago someone told me its not the size that matters its the motion in the ocean that counts. Which in leymans terms means, if everyone puts in (pardon the pun) things will work out just fine.

That chick was just trying to make you feel better. Size matters.
 
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