Don’t stand for the anthem!’

[stryker]

I think you would be doing yourself a favour if you could see that the effects of colonisation everywhere in the world are very similar to what you observe in your local community. That is, at the most extreme end of the spectrum, the social, problems our ATSI communities have here are very similar to what happens in other colonised nations. You can't logically separate what your complaining about from what you are arguing against, it just doesn't make sense.

None of this means it is your ancestors fault, or that you should feel personal guilt. Convicts had no more choice in the matter than indigenous peoples. But I do believe every person can broaden their horizon to try and understand an alternate view. I'm trying to do that with your view, despite our digs at each other and the fact that I think you are fundamentally wrong.

I can see and understand the alternate view as you called it and am not as against it as you think I am. I live in Cairns mate…I am surrounded by Koori's and Torries. I employ seven people, 2 of them are Aboriginal and we hang out, drink and go fishing etc....I play OzTag in a comp where there are about 5% white guys. My brother currently lives with a girl of TSI background. I am not racist in the slightest.

That said, I cant stand perpetual victim claims and bludgers. I judge people on how they act and not what happened in their very extended past. I dont know why you disagreed with Morgan Freeman but he is right. We are all people, we are all the same race. Its culture's that need attention and in this country the indigenous one is poor...despite the efforts of government and individuals to right the wrongs of the past. It is most certainly a choice to stay living the same way (i.e. in poverty) as past generations. Plenty make it out and create substantial lives for themselves. Its always the lazy who blame everyone else and SJW's reinforce this decision and actually empower them to go down this path.

 

[Masterton]

Some people look in the mirror and see a person that cares for others and even if they are more fortunate than the reflection, others enjoy seeing themselves and care little for else.

I look myself in the mirror every morning and thank god I'm not a puny whinging whining scumbag who gets offended and upset at everything that happens in life.

I'm proud I can stand on my own two feet and deal with any challenge that comes my way.

No offense, I'm sure you're a great guy, but on this forum you could be president of the offended and upset. You seem enraged by just about every decision the club makes, and most other things. I literally get a picture of a vein-popping, reddened face when I read some of your posts.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. We all show our support in different ways.

 

[stryker]

Some people look in the mirror and see a person that cares for others and even if they are more fortunate than the reflection, others enjoy seeing themselves and care little for else.

I look myself in the mirror every morning and thank god I'm not a puny whinging whining scumbag who gets offended and upset at everything that happens in life.

I'm proud I can stand on my own two feet and deal with any challenge that comes my way.

No offense, I'm sure you're a great guy, but on this forum you could be president of the offended and upset. You seem enraged by just about every decision the club makes, and most other things. I literally get a picture of a vein-popping, reddened face when I read some of your posts.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. We all show our support in different ways.

no not at all

 

[tsjonathan]

stand, dont stand, doesn't really matter.

Sometimes I stay sitting there as I mentioned before because I don't understand the anthem and think it is horrible.

Yeah, it does matter. It is called respect. What is there about our anthem that you don't understand? It is pretty self-explanatory I would have thought.

What does girt by sea mean? I think the second verse is even worse!

respect for what? Shouldn't people have a right to respect their own right to dislike the song and sit?

I like Christine Anu's song "My Island Home" that's a nice song.

 

[Kavi]

stand, dont stand, doesn't really matter.

Sometimes I stay sitting there as I mentioned before because I don't understand the anthem and think it is horrible.

Yeah, it does matter. It is called respect. What is there about our anthem that you don't understand? It is pretty self-explanatory I would have thought.

What does girt by sea mean? I think the second verse is even worse!

respect for what? Shouldn't people have a right to respect their own right to dislike the song and sit?

girt is like surrounded

 

[cktiger]

Geez …. what next?
Starting to wonder how long before some people start finding reasons not to stand for 'The Ode'

 

[Fade_To_Black]

stand, dont stand, doesn't really matter.

Sometimes I stay sitting there as I mentioned before because I don't understand the anthem and think it is horrible.

Yeah, it does matter. It is called respect. What is there about our anthem that you don't understand? It is pretty self-explanatory I would have thought.

What does girt by sea mean? I think the second verse is even worse!

respect for what? Shouldn't people have a right to respect their own right to dislike the song and sit?

I like Christine Anu's song "My Island Home" that's a nice song.

Respect for the anthem of our country. Unless someone is crippled then surely it is not too much to ask to stand up for 3 minutes of your life.
If you found yourself at the funeral of someone you weren't absolutely 100% sold on would you make a gig of yourself and then just say, "respect for what?, they weren't my favourite person"?
Not hard just to do the right and proper thing sometimes in life.

 

[tsjonathan]

stand, dont stand, doesn't really matter.

Sometimes I stay sitting there as I mentioned before because I don't understand the anthem and think it is horrible.

Yeah, it does matter. It is called respect. What is there about our anthem that you don't understand? It is pretty self-explanatory I would have thought.

What does girt by sea mean? I think the second verse is even worse!

respect for what? Shouldn't people have a right to respect their own right to dislike the song and sit?

I like Christine Anu's song "My Island Home" that's a nice song.

Respect for the anthem of our country. Unless someone is crippled then surely it is not too much to ask to stand up for 3 minutes of your life.
If you found yourself at the funeral of someone you weren't absolutely 100% sold on would you make a gig of yourself and then just say, "respect for what?, they weren't my favourite person"?
Not hard just to do the right and proper thing sometimes in life.

But you're missing my point.

But isn't it your right that you are exercising to not stand up? And just blindly follow the masses and sing along. In fact isn't it being patriotic showing you care for the country that you are willing to protest against the anthem which you don't like and think country deserves better for?

It's the differences in opinion and identity which has fostered this countries identity.
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You can't compare respecting someone's funeral to an anthem of a country.

 

[Newtown]

Yeah, it does matter. It is called respect. What is there about our anthem that you don't understand? It is pretty self-explanatory I would have thought.

What does girt by sea mean? I think the second verse is even worse!

respect for what? Shouldn't people have a right to respect their own right to dislike the song and sit?

I like Christine Anu's song "My Island Home" that's a nice song.

Respect for the anthem of our country. Unless someone is crippled then surely it is not too much to ask to stand up for 3 minutes of your life.
If you found yourself at the funeral of someone you weren't absolutely 100% sold on would you make a gig of yourself and then just say, "respect for what?, they weren't my favourite person"?
Not hard just to do the right and proper thing sometimes in life.

But you're missing my point.

But isn't it your right that you are exercising to not stand up? And just blindly follow the masses and sing along. In fact isn't it being patriotic showing you care for the country that you are willing to protest against the anthem which you don't like and think country deserves better for?

It's the differences in opinion and identity which has fostered this countries identity.
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You can't compare respecting someone's funeral to an anthem of a country.

It will be a very long time before the Australian national anthem is changed so those choosing to sit down because they don't like the song will be sitting down for a long time to come. Maybe they can also have beer whilst it is being played.

 

[Harvey]

Yeah, it does matter. It is called respect. What is there about our anthem that you don't understand? It is pretty self-explanatory I would have thought.

What does girt by sea mean? I think the second verse is even worse!

respect for what? Shouldn't people have a right to respect their own right to dislike the song and sit?

I like Christine Anu's song "My Island Home" that's a nice song.

Respect for the anthem of our country. Unless someone is crippled then surely it is not too much to ask to stand up for 3 minutes of your life.
If you found yourself at the funeral of someone you weren't absolutely 100% sold on would you make a gig of yourself and then just say, "respect for what?, they weren't my favourite person"?
Not hard just to do the right and proper thing sometimes in life.

But you're missing my point.

But isn't it your right that you are exercising to not stand up? And just blindly follow the masses and sing along. In fact isn't it being patriotic showing you care for the country that you are willing to protest against the anthem which you don't like and think country deserves better for?

It's the differences in opinion and identity which has fostered this countries identity.
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You can't compare respecting someone's funeral to an anthem of a country.

I am going to write a new anthem, and then will remain seated until mine is adopted.

 

[Tim Sheens]

stand, dont stand, doesn't really matter.

Sometimes I stay sitting there as I mentioned before because I don't understand the anthem and think it is horrible.

Yeah, it does matter. It is called respect. What is there about our anthem that you don't understand? It is pretty self-explanatory I would have thought.

What does girt by sea mean? I think the second verse is even worse!

respect for what? Shouldn't people have a right to respect their own right to dislike the song and sit?

I like Christine Anu's song "My Island Home" that's a nice song.

I'll stand up even if they chose Humpty Dumpty, particularly as having to sing God Save the bloody Queen as a youngster still peeves me.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

stand, dont stand, doesn't really matter.

Sometimes I stay sitting there as I mentioned before because I don't understand the anthem and think it is horrible.

Yeah, it does matter. It is called respect. What is there about our anthem that you don't understand? It is pretty self-explanatory I would have thought.

What does girt by sea mean? I think the second verse is even worse!

respect for what? Shouldn't people have a right to respect their own right to dislike the song and sit?

I like Christine Anu's song "My Island Home" that's a nice song.

I'll stand up even if they chose Humpty Dumpty, particularly as having to sing God Save the bloody Queen as a youngster still peeves me.

And that's the way it should be, citizens should stand for their national anthem and show it some respect, especially when you are fortunate enough to live in a great (although it is definitely on the decline when it comes to a few things) country like Oz.
Sure people mightn't think Advance Australia Fair is the greatest song but sitting down during it is not the answer, it just shows disrespect IMO.
As far as God Save The Queen goes, I believe the royal family are parasitic oxygen wasters for the most part, but the tune itself is pretty stirring when it is sung before sporting events. Star Spangled Banner the same, they both come across as very powerful anthems.

 

[Harvey]

I love the kiwi anthem. Can't understand half of it, but is a stirring ditty.

 

[eyewonder]

dont know why the national anthem has to be played before a game of football anyway.

when it first started being played before games in the 80s,folowing a push by paul keating, i wondered how the crowd would react.
i suppose everyone knows the words now,which is a good thing.

 

[TCL]

Yeah, it does matter. It is called respect. What is there about our anthem that you don't understand? It is pretty self-explanatory I would have thought.

What does girt by sea mean? I think the second verse is even worse!

respect for what? Shouldn't people have a right to respect their own right to dislike the song and sit?

I like Christine Anu's song "My Island Home" that's a nice song.

Respect for the anthem of our country. Unless someone is crippled then surely it is not too much to ask to stand up for 3 minutes of your life.
If you found yourself at the funeral of someone you weren't absolutely 100% sold on would you make a gig of yourself and then just say, "respect for what?, they weren't my favourite person"?
Not hard just to do the right and proper thing sometimes in life.

But you're missing my point.

But isn't it your right that you are exercising to not stand up? And just blindly follow the masses and sing along. In fact isn't it being patriotic showing you care for the country that you are willing to protest against the anthem which you don't like and think country deserves better for?

It's the differences in opinion and identity which has fostered this countries identity.
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You can't compare respecting someone's funeral to an anthem of a country.

I get your point to not stand because you don't like the anthem. I don't agree with it because it's our anthem and I would stand for Humpty Dumpty as well if it was decided that that was going to be our anthem. I wouldn't like it but I'd stand, shoulder to shoulder with all and sing!

I also agree that it's the differences in opinion and identity which has fostered this country but it has never been our tolerance! We do eventually come around though. I was a wog boy in the 70's to 90's now I'm as Aussie as cause there is some other group that is different. (In my mind I always was an Aussie cause I never knew another country!)

 

[Masterton]

I stand for anthem and so does everyone I know, but I'd rather we weren't a country that forces people to stand. Honestly, if I saw someone sitting, I'd probably just assume they had an injury or something.

It's been interesting to see the results in the US. Some college players got death threats for not standing. NFL players have been kneeling or raising a fist to seem less offensive.

 

[TCL]

I stand for anthem and so does everyone I know, but I'd rather we weren't a country that forces people to stand. Honestly, if I saw someone sitting, I'd probably just assume they had an injury or something.

It's been interesting to see the results in the US. Some college players got death threats for not standing. NFL players have been kneeling or raising a fist to seem less offensive.

They are very patriotic in the U.S. So the death threat business doesn't surprise me.

I agree we shouldn't force people to stand that's what a democracy is, I just don't know why (other than injury) you wouldn't.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I stand for anthem and so does everyone I know, but I'd rather we weren't a country that forces people to stand. Honestly, if I saw someone sitting, I'd probably just assume they had an injury or something.

It's been interesting to see the results in the US. Some college players got death threats for not standing. NFL players have been kneeling or raising a fist to seem less offensive.

They are very patriotic in the U.S. So the death threat business doesn't surprise me.

I agree we shouldn't force people to stand that's what a democracy is, I just don't know why (other than injury) you wouldn't.

Exactly. It really isn't that big of a deal to stand up for a couple of minutes even if you don't like our anthem. It is just the done thing.
Just as it is considered respectful and decent to stand and be silent during Anzac Day commemorations.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I stand for anthem and so does everyone I know, but I'd rather we weren't a country that forces people to stand. Honestly, if I saw someone sitting, I'd probably just assume they had an injury or something.

It's been interesting to see the results in the US. Some college players got death threats for not standing. NFL players have been kneeling or raising a fist to seem less offensive.

Raising a fist is known as the "black power salute" though isn't it? To me that can be considered a racist action too, not that it offends me in the slightest but I can see where some others would be put out by it.

 

[innsaneink]

Surprise surpise….

FORMER rugby league star-turned boxer Anthony Mundine has called for Indigenous and non-Indigenous players to boycott the national anthem at this weekend’s NRL grand final.
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The boxing champion has taken to social media and claimed that the Australian national anthem depicts Aboriginal Australians as fauna (animals) and a boycott is necessary to ignite change.
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**<big>“Been saying this for years ! The anthem was written in late 1700s where blackfullas were considered fauna (animals) advance Australia fair as in white not fair as in fair go</big>** …All players aboriginal & non aboriginal should boycott the anthem & start changing Australia’s ignorant mentality…lets move forward together yo,” Mundine said via his official Facebook page.
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The stance comes off the back of RLW’s exclusive chat with former NRL player Joe Williams who called on all Indigenous players playing in the decider to not stand for the anthem.
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“Imagine if a couple of guys did it on grand final day – what a powerful message it would send to white Australia,” Williams told RLW.
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“It would bring all the racism that’s in the closet to the surface – the racism we have to put up with every day. The way we are treated in shops, the way people look at us on the street and the way the government treats us.
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“It’s time it stopped. And our footballers are role models and the ideal ones to bring about change.”
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Williams’ views are backed by Corowa, arguably the highest-profile living Aboriginal league star, who was awarded an MBE for services to sport in 1980.
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“It’s time to send a powerful message to our government, which has not been effective enough in closing the gap between the Indigenous and non-Indigenous people,” Corowa says.
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“And all it would take is one player to do it on grand final day.
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“I wish someone would have the courage to do it – it would be something to see.
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“Imagine if someone with the respect of Johnathan Thurston did it – what a powerful statement that would make.”

News to me.