Don’t stand for the anthem!’

[stryker]

What was your 1977 GF protest about ByronBay?

Probably upset he didn't have tickets for the replay

Actually it was the replay that is how come there were tickets and maybe even discounted I cannot remember. F2B have told this story earlier but maybe was a first ever protest at a GF so a second run.
We had just had the big Hiroshima Day march, that worked extremely hard for making posters, posting them etc etc.. Then the silly Chinese decide to detonate another nuke bomb and we were always accused of protesting only against Western nuke bombs and not commo ones (the Western countries started the nuke arms race). So I decided we will also protest against the commos. Being too tired to organise a big demo I conned my mate, Ken Higgs, to jump on back of motor bike with big multi-coloured protest banner and off to the GF we went - sort of the Mountain going to Mohammad.

I forget what teams they were but whenever a try was scored winning fans would see their own colours on the banner and slap us on the back and yell beauty mate. Well after half an hour or so they woke up to us (pretty smart RL fans) and began throwing cans of beer at us and cursing us. So the cops come and escorted us into the in field around to where there was an exit, so did the circuit with our big banner and copping cans of beer the whole way. Luckily I had the crash helmet but Ken never (he later became a born again Christian fanatic).

I did a similar gig for the Pope's visit in about 1994 that copped the same reception - was nailed by swiss guards there, the rotten mongrels made me eat dirt.

That's life, we only live once so we have to enjoy it.

Now if we are meeting Souths in the GF next year I promise a similar gig with something about RF on it.

Haha you're proud of that?

 

[stryker]

There's a wonderful doco called Kanyini, which never fails to change people's perspectives on the struggles Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities face. It may come up on Youtube again at some point in the future.

Father Bob Randall, a Yankunytjatjara elder from Mutitjulu near Uluru, now deceased, discusses the compounding trauma of losing connection to country, spiritual beliefs, culture, family and community - one by one - over time.

How could we ever imagine a relationship to the Earth that has developed over 50,000 years - let alone understanding what it would mean to lose that. 200 years is barely the blink of an eye.

The effects of the White Australia Policy, such as the Stolen Generation and the massacres of tens of thousands of people, strongly affect Indigenous people today.

Most Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders would be the first to ignore and shrug off racism.

What most fight against is institutionalised racism. What most fight for is to find a way to be a part of the mainstream, and to overcome the traumatic legacy of colonisation and the White Australia Policy and go forward with a foot in both worlds.

Yes, a lot of money goes into Indigenous communities but unfortunately, for the most part, that simply supports a white workforce across remote Australia. Where you can get paid 120k to work in a shop, or 300k as an Administrator.

Yep all our fault. Well done.

 

[innsaneink]

Lucky to be in a country where valuable hard working members of society that contribute something tangible actually support the burdens and dregs. ….. Some are just never happy and whinge for the sake of it.
Some people just need a good hard smack in the mouth

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Lucky to be in a country where valuable hard working members of society that contribute something tangible actually support the burdens and dregs. ….. Some are just never happy and whinge for the sake of it.
Some people just need a good hard smack in the mouth

Please be more specific so we are sure to whom you are referring. Is it the Indigenous?

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

What was your 1977 GF protest about ByronBay?

Probably upset he didn't have tickets for the replay

Actually it was the replay that is how come there were tickets and maybe even discounted I cannot remember. F2B have told this story earlier but maybe was a first ever protest at a GF so a second run.
We had just had the big Hiroshima Day march, that worked extremely hard for making posters, posting them etc etc.. Then the silly Chinese decide to detonate another nuke bomb and we were always accused of protesting only against Western nuke bombs and not commo ones (the Western countries started the nuke arms race). So I decided we will also protest against the commos. Being too tired to organise a big demo I conned my mate, Ken Higgs, to jump on back of motor bike with big multi-coloured protest banner and off to the GF we went - sort of the Mountain going to Mohammad.

I forget what teams they were but whenever a try was scored winning fans would see their own colours on the banner and slap us on the back and yell beauty mate. Well after half an hour or so they woke up to us (pretty smart RL fans) and began throwing cans of beer at us and cursing us. So the cops come and escorted us into the in field around to where there was an exit, so did the circuit with our big banner and copping cans of beer the whole way. Luckily I had the crash helmet but Ken never (he later became a born again Christian fanatic).

I did a similar gig for the Pope's visit in about 1994 that copped the same reception - was nailed by swiss guards there, the rotten mongrels made me eat dirt.

That's life, we only live once so we have to enjoy it.

Now if we are meeting Souths in the GF next year I promise a similar gig with something about RF on it.

Haha you're proud of that?

At least I can look myself in the eye (via mirror) every morning and say to myself that I have stood up for every Issue I believed in, that I had the guts to do in spite of being bashed, arrested, spat upon, copped beer cans, sworn at etc..

Same as Bob Brown and Jack Mundy can say.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/361513027676/the-long-walk-10-years

This program expires today about Michael Long's Long Walk to Canberra - an attempt to rid football of racial insults.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Some people look in the mirror and see a person that cares for others and even if they are more fortunate than the reflection, others enjoy seeing themselves and care little for else.

 

[innsaneink]

Lucky to be in a country where valuable hard working members of society that contribute something tangible actually support the burdens and dregs. ….. Some are just never happy and whinge for the sake of it.
Some people just need a good hard smack in the mouth

Please be more specific so we are sure to whom you are referring. Is it the Indigenous?

Now now that would be racist.
Plenty of indigenous work hard and contribute to society…. Those that sponge are broad and hard to pinpoint

 

[Newtown]

Lucky to be in a country where valuable hard working members of society that contribute something tangible actually support the burdens and dregs. ….. Some are just never happy and whinge for the sake of it.
Some people just need a good hard smack in the mouth

A good hard smack in the gob will certainly shut up the whingers who are so spoilt with, and unappreciative of, what Australia has to offer them they have to continually find something to whinge about.

 

[cktiger]

There's a wonderful doco called Kanyini, which never fails to change people's perspectives on the struggles Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities face. It may come up on Youtube again at some point in the future.

Father Bob Randall, a Yankunytjatjara elder from Mutitjulu near Uluru, now deceased, discusses the compounding trauma of losing connection to country, spiritual beliefs, culture, family and community - one by one - over time.

How could we ever imagine a relationship to the Earth that has developed over 50,000 years - let alone understanding what it would mean to lose that. 200 years is barely the blink of an eye.

The effects of the White Australia Policy, **such as the Stolen Generation** and the massacres of tens of thousands of people, strongly affect Indigenous people today.

Most Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders would be the first to ignore and shrug off racism.

What most fight against is institutionalised racism. What most fight for is to find a way to be a part of the mainstream, and to overcome the traumatic legacy of colonisation and the White Australia Policy and go forward with a foot in both worlds.

Yes, a lot of money goes into Indigenous communities but unfortunately, for the most part, that simply supports a white workforce across remote Australia. Where you can get paid 120k to work in a shop, or 300k as an Administrator.

Aaah… the stolen generation.
Unfortunate, but people at that time thought they were doing the right thing taking children from squalor and poverty (and in many cases, dangerous environments) to be raised by people who loved them as their own and were happy to feed and educate them.
It was the belief then that the rights of the children were more important.
My father in law was one of the children taken from his home - however he was among the many WHITE children taken from families deemed unable to raise their children properly.
Ever heard of the stolen white generation?
Didn't think so.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Lucky to be in a country where valuable hard working members of society that contribute something tangible actually support the burdens and dregs. ….. Some are just never happy and whinge for the sake of it.
Some people just need a good hard smack in the mouth

Please be more specific so we are sure to whom you are referring. Is it the Indigenous?

Now now that would be racist.
Plenty of indigenous work hard and contribute to society…. Those that sponge are broad and hard to pinpoint

Surely it can't be that difficult? is it people on social welfare in general or specifically?

Is it people who don't earn income but also whinge?

Is it people who do earn but also whinge?

Is it homeless alcoholics/drunkards who may have been influenced to drinking by drink ads on footie guernseys and may have also put too money down the pokies - there are such?

Is it folk who just whinge publically who don't have a legitimate gripe?

Is it folk who just whinge publically but have a legitimate gripe?

 

[guyofthetiger]

There's a wonderful doco called Kanyini, which never fails to change people's perspectives on the struggles Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities face. It may come up on Youtube again at some point in the future.

Father Bob Randall, a Yankunytjatjara elder from Mutitjulu near Uluru, now deceased, discusses the compounding trauma of losing connection to country, spiritual beliefs, culture, family and community - one by one - over time.

How could we ever imagine a relationship to the Earth that has developed over 50,000 years - let alone understanding what it would mean to lose that. 200 years is barely the blink of an eye.

The effects of the White Australia Policy, such as the Stolen Generation and the massacres of tens of thousands of people, strongly affect Indigenous people today.

Most Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders would be the first to ignore and shrug off racism.

What most fight against is institutionalised racism. What most fight for is to find a way to be a part of the mainstream, and to overcome the traumatic legacy of colonisation and the White Australia Policy and go forward with a foot in both worlds.

Yes, a lot of money goes into Indigenous communities but unfortunately, for the most part, that simply supports a white workforce across remote Australia. Where you can get paid 120k to work in a shop, or 300k as an Administrator.

Yep all our fault. Well done.

On the contrary, it's entirely your choice what you wish to take responsibility for in our community.

Hopefully, in the end our collective efforts get us to where we need to be.

 

[guyofthetiger]

There's a wonderful doco called Kanyini, which never fails to change people's perspectives on the struggles Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities face. It may come up on Youtube again at some point in the future.

Father Bob Randall, a Yankunytjatjara elder from Mutitjulu near Uluru, now deceased, discusses the compounding trauma of losing connection to country, spiritual beliefs, culture, family and community - one by one - over time.

How could we ever imagine a relationship to the Earth that has developed over 50,000 years - let alone understanding what it would mean to lose that. 200 years is barely the blink of an eye.

The effects of the White Australia Policy, **such as the Stolen Generation** and the massacres of tens of thousands of people, strongly affect Indigenous people today.

Most Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders would be the first to ignore and shrug off racism.

What most fight against is institutionalised racism. What most fight for is to find a way to be a part of the mainstream, and to overcome the traumatic legacy of colonisation and the White Australia Policy and go forward with a foot in both worlds.

Yes, a lot of money goes into Indigenous communities but unfortunately, for the most part, that simply supports a white workforce across remote Australia. Where you can get paid 120k to work in a shop, or 300k as an Administrator.

Aaah… the stolen generation.
Unfortunate, but people at that time thought they were doing the right thing taking children from squalor and poverty (and in many cases, dangerous environments) to be raised by people who loved them as their own and were happy to feed and educate them.
It was the belief then that the rights of the children were more important.
My father in law was one of the children taken from his home - however he was among the many WHITE children taken from families deemed unable to raise their children properly.
Ever heard of the stolen white generation?
Didn't think so.

Yes, you're right, Child Safety remove children from their homes every day for these reasons - black and white. Many will have a better life for it - a lot won't.

Similarly many orphans were sent from the U.K. As government policy and subsequently abused in institutions here.

The motives of the White Australia Policy were somewhat different, in seeking to breed out Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander bloodlines. Many ended up as slave labour, and many young women experienced repeated sexual violence.

There are not many good news stories in any of these circumstances. Thankfully that wasn't the case for your father-in-law.

 

[stryker]

Surely it can't be that difficult? is it people on social welfare in general or specifically?

Is it people who don't earn income but also whinge?

Is it people who do earn but also whinge?

Is it homeless alcoholics/drunkards who may have been influenced to drinking by drink ads on footie guernseys and may have also put too money down the pokies - there are such?

Is it folk who just whinge publically who don't have a legitimate gripe?

All of the above.

 

[stryker]

Some people look in the mirror and see a person that cares for others and even if they are more fortunate than the reflection, others enjoy seeing themselves and care little for else.

I look myself in the mirror every morning and thank god I'm not a puny whinging whining scumbag who gets offended and upset at everything that happens in life.

I'm proud I can stand on my own two feet and deal with any challenge that comes my way.

 

[Flippedy]

There's a wonderful doco called Kanyini, which never fails to change people's perspectives on the struggles Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities face. It may come up on Youtube again at some point in the future.

Father Bob Randall, a Yankunytjatjara elder from Mutitjulu near Uluru, now deceased, discusses the compounding trauma of losing connection to country, spiritual beliefs, culture, family and community - one by one - over time.

How could we ever imagine a relationship to the Earth that has developed over 50,000 years - let alone understanding what it would mean to lose that. 200 years is barely the blink of an eye.

The effects of the White Australia Policy, **such as the Stolen Generation** and the massacres of tens of thousands of people, strongly affect Indigenous people today.

Most Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders would be the first to ignore and shrug off racism.

What most fight against is institutionalised racism. What most fight for is to find a way to be a part of the mainstream, and to overcome the traumatic legacy of colonisation and the White Australia Policy and go forward with a foot in both worlds.

Yes, a lot of money goes into Indigenous communities but unfortunately, for the most part, that simply supports a white workforce across remote Australia. Where you can get paid 120k to work in a shop, or 300k as an Administrator.

Aaah… the stolen generation.
Unfortunate, but people at that time thought they were doing the right thing taking children from squalor and poverty (and in many cases, dangerous environments) to be raised by people who loved them as their own and were happy to feed and educate them.
It was the belief then that the rights of the children were more important.
My father in law was one of the children taken from his home - however he was among the many WHITE children taken from families deemed unable to raise their children properly.
Ever heard of the stolen white generation?
Didn't think so.

Yes, you're right, Child Safety remove children from their homes every day for these reasons - black and white. Many will have a better life for it - a lot won't.

Similarly many orphans were sent from the U.K. As government policy and subsequently abused in institutions here.

**The motives of the White Australia Policy were somewhat different, in seeking to breed out Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander bloodlines. Many ended up as slave labour, and many young women experienced repeated sexual violence.**

There are not many good news stories in any of these circumstances. Thankfully that wasn't the case for your father-in-law.

Yep this. Comparing the more isolated cases of white children being taken from their families to what happened to the Aboriginal communities under the institutionalized White Australia Policy is just ridiculous! Sure it was traumatic and just plain wrong, but at least the children would have been fostered into families that were similar to their own with regards to language, culture, beliefs etc.

Not so the Aboriginal kids, who were forced into a whole new way of life that they just didn't understand, or couldn't grasp, and they were beaten mercilessly if they didn't comply and often ended up being sexually abused and used as slaves as they got older.

As a white person, I cannot even pretend to understand (to use GOTT's words) "the compounding trauma of losing connection to country, spiritual beliefs, culture, family and community - one by one - over time" which happened to an entire race of people. And I certainly have no right to tell their family members how they should feel about it now or malign them for standing up for themselves and not accepting the enforced status quo.

Perhaps once Sharia Law comes into effect in this country, us white Aussies may just get a taste of what it would actually be like to lose our precious way of life, our families, our beliefs, our freedoms and everything we have stood for, for over 200 years. Only then could we truly understand.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I look myself in the mirror every morning and thank god I'm a scumbag

No need for the extra words in the quote so I took the liberty of deleting them, just suprised you mentioned God.

 

[stryker]

I look myself in the mirror every morning and thank god I'm a scumbag

No need for the extra words in the quote so I took the liberty of deleting them, just suprised you mentioned God.

Seems like the sort of dishonest thing you would do.

 

[stryker]

Flippedy this is the thoughts of dithering old fool. Wake up to yourself.

 

[Flippedy]

Flippedy this is the thoughts of dithering old fool. Wake up to yourself.

Says who? You? :laughing: Well, I won't lose any sleep over that.