Drugs, sex, domestic violence: football’s cover-up

[Russell]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Can we get a comment from Souths on the article?

We'll just need to run through about 5 law firms first.

One implication from the allegations is that the medical retirement was used to get him out of the Club because of what was known. That it came with the added bonus of salary cap relief which allowed the purchase of .......

How widely was this kniwn?.

The cap cheating is inconsequential to me in regard to this.

Footy is secondary to the welfare of his ex-wife, kids and family.

100%. Can’t believe some are using this to kick Souths. If it’s true, the focus needs to be on the people hurt. Everything else comes later

The alleged presence of a Souths official at a residence at the time where domestic violence may have occurred and this has gone unreported to presumably the Integrity Unit is a significant matter. The same again for the alleged prescription issue and subsequent alleged drug testing. It is inextricably linked.


Not only that he was there when the violence was occurring and there was a child there as well. I think Drs are mandatory reporters of a child in danger. He did nothing.

I'd like the Integrity Unit/Police to. check the doctor's mobile phone records for that night/time. It could make matters very interesting.

 

[mike]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

Make it two.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

Did the doctor call someone when the dv was going down and he did nothing about it?

 

[mike]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

Did the doctor call someone when the dv was going down and he did nothing about it?

I’d say the doctor is in trouble on a number of fronts.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

Did the doctor call someone when the dv was going down and he did nothing about it?

I say the doctor is in trouble on a number of fronts.

Let's hope it goes to the top echelon?

 

[cochise]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

Did the doctor call someone when the dv was going down and he did nothing about it?

I say the doctor is in trouble on a number of fronts.

Let's hope it goes to the top echelon?

The top echelon of what?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The victims of infidelity ie wives, husbands, partners often suffer from PTSD as a consequence of the behaviour associated with this type of betrayal. Many consider infidelity to be a form of abuse. So I have every sympathy for Phoebe and the distress she is no doubt experiencing. It can take up to 5 years for a victim of infidelity to recover.

Wait what ? How is cheating on your partner abuse ? It’s morally wrong , and breaks your heart , but it’s hardly abuse. That’s ridiculous. It’s not abuse if your feelings are hurt . The world sux sometimes . People are the worst . But you can’t cry ABUSE because someone does something crappy.

There are behaviours associated with infidelity that are clearly forms of abuse. A cycle of behaviour, the so called rinse, wash, repeat is clearly a form of abuse. This type of behaviour impacts the foundations of a relationship and if you have heard of the term gaslighting this can undermine the victims reality and self worth. Gaslighting is often used by a perpetrator to get away with infidelity with 'you're crazy' or "you are making this up'. In a relationship, when your thoughts and feelings aren't validated, this can be incredibly damaging to your sense of reality and self esteem. Often those involved in this behaviour will blame the victim, often termed blame shifting. We often joke cheaters all operate off the same template and because of this their actions are predictable.. A victim needs to get space to see this behavioural pattern.

Yes I know was Gaslighting is . But to imply that cheating is abuse is massive stretch. The behaviours that can be associated for sure , CAN be. When you say things like “my partner abused me by cheating on me” , you start to build a picture that your some kind of victim , when in reality , your Just someone your partner didn’t care about enough to stay faithful , or , the person is zero idea how to be in a committed relationship. You’re not abused. You’re just clearly low on your partner’s priorities. It’s a bit dramatic and Slightly narcissistic to imply that it’s abuse. When in reality , for most people , it’s just flat out denying and aloofness . This obviously doesn’t apply to gaslighting , controlling abusive behaviours.

We need to chill with stuff like this as a society . Were all turning into soft drama queens, looking for our own little slice of victimisation. The partner is a dirtbag . The end. Leave them , or don’t . If you allow it to go on . Then Look in the mirror .

Not soft at all. Emotional trauma can be as damaging as physical trauma. Emasculation, humiliation, betrayal, loss of agency within a relationship, loss of trust and respect are very real. Relate some of the allegations in this article to their impact on Phoebe Burgess?

No , you said cheating was abuse . I’m saying it’s not . I’m saying cheating is a symptom of abuse. Just like all the other toxic behaviour you mentioned. I’m not being insensitive, and not even talking about Phoebe and people in her really bad situation . I’m saying we as a society have started calling what used to be crappy behaviour as abuse . But It’s not . It’s just crap behaviour. There’s nothing more to it . If your feelings get hurt by someone . Your feelings are hurt . That’s it . If someone offends you . They offended you . If your partner cheated , but wasn’t a toxic piece of crap in general , they just didn’t value your relationship , the. Get rid of them or don’t and live that situation.
When people use words like Abuse , it implies a danger , large degrees of trauma , and usually criminal behaviour. None of that applies to things like cheating by itself . Like I said being a douchebag and cheating is not abuse by itself . It’s a symptom amongst others of a more serious issue .

How do you explain victims of infidelity being diagnosed with PTSD? Abuse can be physical or emotional. How can you neatly quarantine infidelity from its impact on victims? It's not possible

What? So everyone who is cheated on is a victim and every person who cheats an abuser? Just because someone gets PTSD doesn’t mean that it’s abuse. It means that they had psychological trauma because it was traumatic for them. There’s a billion reasons why people cheat , not always is it nefarious or referencing a behaviour from a 1930s movie . Just off the top of my head , there’s addiction problems , women becoming asexual after child birth , sexual kinks , disability , staying together for the kids .
I’m not putting a bow on anything , I’m calling people out for thier bull crap. Everybody wants the violins playing for them , and many times it’s just simply causation . There was an action and therefore a reaction .

It's not cheating without deception mate, it's an open relationship. The deception is solely the choice of the person who cheats, not "causation."

I'll not saying cheating = abuse by definition, can see the link though especially in the aftereffects.

So how’s it deception if his missus knows about it , and his attitude is who gives a rats ? People still call him a cheat because that’s the general label for infidelity.
To me if you get cheated on it’s not abuse , it’s a story you tell about what happened to you to when your dating 2 years from then . It’s a life experience to improve your ability to read people. When you say things are abuse that word implies a whole thought process ,educAtion , workshops , seminars , ad campaigns etc .
Sorry but if you think that type of thing needs to happen, then I’m lost .
Been cheated on , been the cheater . At no point did I feel abused , and at no point was I accused of it. We parted ways , with each other under the understanding that we sucked , and needed to grow up .
You can’t control the world for gods sake . At some point bad stuff is going to happen . We don’t need to show awareness for bad behaviour . Take ownership for your actions , learn from it and grow as a person .
When you look for labels you look for excuses. It’s a huge problem within western society at the moment . There’s no accountability.

If we had this conversation over a beer I'm sure we find a lot of common ground. The smaller areas of disagreement become a long winded tiresome thing on a forum. Definitely agree with you on the social aspects of labels not necessarily the relationship stuff and happy to leave it there.

Yep fair enough. I’ve made my point your right. No point harping on .

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

Did the doctor call someone when the dv was going down and he did nothing about it?

I say the doctor is in trouble on a number of fronts.

Let's hope it goes to the top echelon?

The top echelon of what?

Souths.

 

[cochise]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

Did the doctor call someone when the dv was going down and he did nothing about it?

I say the doctor is in trouble on a number of fronts.

Let's hope it goes to the top echelon?

The top echelon of what?

Souths.

Seriously? I hope all involved are found out and punished and I hope that is as small amount of people as possible.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

Did the doctor call someone when the dv was going down and he did nothing about it?

I say the doctor is in trouble on a number of fronts.

Let's hope it goes to the top echelon?

The top echelon of what?

Souths.

Seriously? I hope all involved are found out and punished and I hope that is as small amount of people as possible.

To keep this quiet you would believe only a few knew what happened. Anyone covering up dv should be punished.

 

[cochise]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

Did the doctor call someone when the dv was going down and he did nothing about it?

I say the doctor is in trouble on a number of fronts.

Let's hope it goes to the top echelon?

The top echelon of what?

Souths.

Seriously? I hope all involved are found out and punished and I hope that is as small amount of people as possible.

To keep this quiet you would believe only a few knew what happened. Anyone covering up dv should be punished.

100% but I'm not going to sit here and hope it includes any big fish. I can not look at this from a football perspective, the only concern that can be shown should be for those that this has damaged.

 

[JRDee]

Kick them out for 2 years , it wouldn’t be the first time

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Burgess stands down from Rabbitohs, Fox Sports over drug, domestic abuse allegations
By Laura Chung, Sarah Keoghan and Adrian Proszenko
Updated October 2, 2020 — 1.52pmfirst published at 9.48am

Former South Sydney star Sam Burgess has stood down from his roles as Rabbitohs coaching assistant and Fox Sports commentator following serious allegations of drug use and domestic violence.

NSW Police and the NRL integrity unit have launched separate investigations into allegations levelled against the former South Sydney skipper.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo said if the allegations were found to be true he would be taking the "strongest possible action" against Burgess and the club.

"The allegations that were made ... is new information to the NRL. We will conduct a thorough investigation and if information has been withheld by bodies we will take the appropriate action," he said. "These are really serious matters, these are serious allegations. We will put all of our resources into getting to the bottom of what occurred.

NSW Police said they had launched their own investigation.

"On Wednesday 30 September 2020, officers from The Hume Police District received a report outlining various allegations relating to the conduct of a 31-year-old man," a NSW Police Force spokesperson said.

"Police have commenced inquiries and as these inquiries are in their infancy, no further comment will be provided at this time."

Australia Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys told 2GB on Friday that, as far as he was aware, the NRL had no prior knowledge of the claims.

"It would be totally inappropriate to comment on this specific case. I don't have sufficient facts. Like anyone else in the community, you have to provide due process and natural justice and Sam should be afforded that," he said.

"Let me stress that the NRL has a zero tolerance, and will always have a zero tolerance, for violence against women.

"But in this instance, I think that the appropriate action is to investigate it, get all the facts, and make a judgment after that.

"Once we have all that information, all the facts, and everybody's version, we will make the appropriate decisions."

The Australian newspaper reported Mr Burgess received medical attention during a drug-fuelled episode in 2018, and a club doctor allegedly injected him with liquid tranquilliser, obtained through a prescription written in someone else's name.

Abdo said the club doctor would still be allowed to work at the club until the investigation was complete.

"Because these are allegations, we don't have the facts before us we are not going to be taking any further action until such time as we have the information needed to do that," he said. "However I believe Sam Burgess has stood himself down from South Sydney Rabbitohs duties this weekend and I also believe he has stood down from Fox Sports."

Following an investigation, the publication revealed pharmaceutical records, statements to NSW Police, witness accounts, emails, text messages and bank records detailing the former South Sydney Rabbitohs captain’s behaviour.

Mr Burgess' lawyer Mark O’Brien declined to comment to the Herald.

Mr Burgess retired from the NRL at the end of the 2019 season after suffering a chronic shoulder injury. He is now an assistant coach with the club. The English import signed a four-year extension with the club in 2018 and was signed to play with the club until 2023.

He led the club to the premiership in 2014, after breaking his cheekbone in the opening tackle of the grand final against the Bulldogs.

The allegations come on the eve of the finals. The Rabbitohs finished in sixth place this season and face the seventh-placed Knights in a sudden-death play-off at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.

Appropriate... since they covered it up and profited from it for years.
Large cap reduction...
Say a nice round figure like one million a season

That's peanuts, we got 300k odd for virtually nothing.

Kick 'em out....

Did the doctor call someone when the dv was going down and he did nothing about it?

I say the doctor is in trouble on a number of fronts.

Let's hope it goes to the top echelon?

The top echelon of what?

Souths.

Seriously? I hope all involved are found out and punished and I hope that is as small amount of people as possible.

To keep this quiet you would believe only a few knew what happened. Anyone covering up dv should be punished.

100% but I'm not going to sit here and hope it includes any big fish. I can not look at this from a football perspective, the only concern that can be shown should be for those that this has damaged.

Very well said mate. This has nothing to do with ‘2 points’

 

[krissy]

Just read the entire article on The Warren and it makes pretty disgusting reading. It will be interesting to see how the NRL handle this, Souths clearly behaved terribly with the lengths they went to covering it all up.
Souths cannot be untouchable on this.

 

[philgood]

"Burgess’s father-in-law, high-profile businessman Mitch Hooke, has for the first time revealed he witnessed Burgess assaulting his heavily pregnant daughter Phoebe during the November 2018 bender by crushing his 116kg body onto her as she screamed."

So Sam was leaning his body weight onto her. Sam should be treating a pregnant woman more gently, but it hardly sounds like domestic violence to me. It Sounds like a father in law who had a gripe to settle

Sounds like an idiot with little care for anyone but himself! If you think that is OK, then you can go join him at Souffs

Keep quiet peasant

 

[happy_tiger]

Can we get a comment from Souths on the article?

Taking the 5th amendment ......

Russell said he is Maximus Decimus Meridius ....Commander of the Armies of the North .....General of the Felix Legions

Wayne blamed Seibold

Seibold blamed Maguire

Maguire blamed the egg shells getting jammed under the pedal of Iv's bus

Ivan blew everyone a kiss

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The victims of infidelity ie wives, husbands, partners often suffer from PTSD as a consequence of the behaviour associated with this type of betrayal. Many consider infidelity to be a form of abuse. So I have every sympathy for Phoebe and the distress she is no doubt experiencing. It can take up to 5 years for a victim of infidelity to recover.

Wait what ? How is cheating on your partner abuse ? It’s morally wrong , and breaks your heart , but it’s hardly abuse. That’s ridiculous. It’s not abuse if your feelings are hurt . The world sux sometimes . People are the worst . But you can’t cry ABUSE because someone does something crappy.

There are behaviours associated with infidelity that are clearly forms of abuse. A cycle of behaviour, the so called rinse, wash, repeat is clearly a form of abuse. This type of behaviour impacts the foundations of a relationship and if you have heard of the term gaslighting this can undermine the victims reality and self worth. Gaslighting is often used by a perpetrator to get away with infidelity with 'you're crazy' or "you are making this up'. In a relationship, when your thoughts and feelings aren't validated, this can be incredibly damaging to your sense of reality and self esteem. Often those involved in this behaviour will blame the victim, often termed blame shifting. We often joke cheaters all operate off the same template and because of this their actions are predictable.. A victim needs to get space to see this behavioural pattern.

Yes I know was Gaslighting is . But to imply that cheating is abuse is massive stretch. The behaviours that can be associated for sure , CAN be. When you say things like “my partner abused me by cheating on me” , you start to build a picture that your some kind of victim , when in reality , your Just someone your partner didn’t care about enough to stay faithful , or , the person is zero idea how to be in a committed relationship. You’re not abused. You’re just clearly low on your partner’s priorities. It’s a bit dramatic and Slightly narcissistic to imply that it’s abuse. When in reality , for most people , it’s just flat out denying and aloofness . This obviously doesn’t apply to gaslighting , controlling abusive behaviours.

We need to chill with stuff like this as a society . Were all turning into soft drama queens, looking for our own little slice of victimisation. The partner is a dirtbag . The end. Leave them , or don’t . If you allow it to go on . Then Look in the mirror .

Not soft at all. Emotional trauma can be as damaging as physical trauma. Emasculation, humiliation, betrayal, loss of agency within a relationship, loss of trust and respect are very real. Relate some of the allegations in this article to their impact on Phoebe Burgess?

No , you said cheating was abuse . I’m saying it’s not . I’m saying cheating is a symptom of abuse. Just like all the other toxic behaviour you mentioned. I’m not being insensitive, and not even talking about Phoebe and people in her really bad situation . I’m saying we as a society have started calling what used to be crappy behaviour as abuse . But It’s not . It’s just crap behaviour. There’s nothing more to it . If your feelings get hurt by someone . Your feelings are hurt . That’s it . If someone offends you . They offended you . If your partner cheated , but wasn’t a toxic piece of crap in general , they just didn’t value your relationship , the. Get rid of them or don’t and live that situation.
When people use words like Abuse , it implies a danger , large degrees of trauma , and usually criminal behaviour. None of that applies to things like cheating by itself . Like I said being a douchebag and cheating is not abuse by itself . It’s a symptom amongst others of a more serious issue .

How do you explain victims of infidelity being diagnosed with PTSD? Abuse can be physical or emotional. How can you neatly quarantine infidelity from its impact on victims? It's not possible

What? So everyone who is cheated on is a victim and every person who cheats an abuser? Just because someone gets PTSD doesn’t mean that it’s abuse. It means that they had psychological trauma because it was traumatic for them. There’s a billion reasons why people cheat , not always is it nefarious or referencing a behaviour from a 1930s movie . Just off the top of my head , there’s addiction problems , women becoming asexual after child birth , sexual kinks , disability , staying together for the kids .
I’m not putting a bow on anything , I’m calling people out for thier bull crap. Everybody wants the violins playing for them , and many times it’s just simply causation . There was an action and therefore a reaction .

Your welcome to your view as this is a forum and I am happy to read your posts.

Imo a drunken one night stand is a one off incident. It's not hopefully repeated or a cycle of behaviour and imo while distressing not what I would describe as abuse. If it is a cycle, then I would constitute that as abusing his/her partner.

A husband (in engineering) and his wife (magazine editor) were having difficulties over an extended period. No matter what he did, his wife was not happy. His wife compared him unfavourably to another male (her manager who was married and both couples were friends). He sought counselling and read self help books to improve himself. His wife even suggested he speak with her manager to improve himself!. The breaking point was when he realised that his wife knew he was suffering but didn't care. In a counselling session, he was challenged as to whether his wife could be having an affair. He employed professional assistance to prove his wife and her manager were cheating at every opportunity. He subsequently told friends and family he had been subject to abuse over a two year period including the added humiliation of consulting his wife's manager about their marriage issues. He had his wife served in the foyer of a hotel she and her lover were at for the weekend. When caught, his wife offered the view that it was just sex and didn't mean anything! Ironically, he divorced his wife as her offence against him was too great. He is now seeing the ex wife of his ex wife's affair partner.

Look man , you’re backtracking away from your initial statement that cheating can be seen as a form of abuse . It was a very general statement of which I argued against, as generally I disagree . But I will say if you’re beating your missus , gaslighting her, controlling her with fear , money etc , That’s 100% abuse . But you can’t have it both ways. When the word cheat is said , it’s said in reference to infidelity. There’s no nuance . It’s used for one night stands , shagging your secretary for long periods , having sex with mate from down the footy club lol . What you perceive , is not in actuality how most people see it .
At no point was I defending burgess , if anything , I was defending a lot of people out there , who just think with their privates at times, and now have to live with their screw up .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I might have missed the whole article or only seen snippets but I gotta say , the whole leaning thing sounds like sprinkling a bit of hundreds and thousands on a chocolate ice cream from the writers. Not sure if it’s needed or if it even adds anything, or is even real ,but it does make it look better . The verbal abuse and general horrendous behaviour prior to that builds a more damning picture . The leaning on your pregnant wife “assault” could really have been anything. He sounded like he was off chops and being a general mug about town , I’ve got doubts as to whether he had malice in his intent , if that story is to be believed . Not saying it didn’t happen , but the intent is what I question . He sounded like he was having speed psychosis . I saw that once in a mate at a rave when I was 18 , scared the hell out of me , and was very similar .

 

[rihannafan1]

I’m very surprised people think there will be any difference just because Greenberg isn’t around. NRL is gonna have favourites no matter who’s in front of the camera.

That bloke was an absolute crook and indicative of the game for about the past 15 years. I think V'landys has a chance to really right the ship because he's from outside of the game.