OFFICIAL Elijah Taylor [Discussion]

[goldcoast_tiger]

I think that both of your possibilities are definetly right

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But I repeat he won't be here next year, he has burnt some bridges with people of greater influence than Jason Taylor!

The amount of people who flat out refuse to acknowledge this little tidbit.

I'm not talking about what we heard from an unknown person , who may or may not know any more than the rest of us, about what may or may not have been said by other unknown persons
I'm talking abouts facts that we know to be right
The exact amounts may vary a bit , but the Backended contract has been known right back when it happened.
TT may be accurate, or may completely wrong.
He/she has been right sometimes, and wrong sometimes.
There is no facts to back up TTs claim that you mentioned, yet already , you are trying
to push this as the truth.

Oh i see, so what he said that backs up your point is true, but what doesn't is still a matter of conjecture?

Right :laughing:

Not really, in anything that I have mentioned that TT posted on here. I have tried to make sure that I have mentioned " according to TT" or " if TT is correct"
I have never, to my recollection , passed off any thing that has been reported by TT as fact.
I have certainly never said that something that TT said was true or untrue, as I wouldn't have a clue if it was or not.
And neither do you
Yet you think that we should take an anonymous posters comment should be taken as fact
As I've said before , I appreciate TTs input, but will wait until there is some proof of anything that's been posted.before I'm calling it fact.

 

[tigerman80]

You mean the JT that has taken us from 15th last yr to having us sitting out of the 8 only due to points diff? That JT? Oh yeah, we're definitely going backwards. Sack him immediately.

"Taken us from

Who was in charge in 2015??

He took us down a step after Potter had us improving in 2014.

Im not saying this year has not been good, but that's a laughable way of phrasing things.

He was the one who put us into equal last in the first place

Anyone who dropped from out of space onto this forum would not believe that reading some peoples phrasing on Taylor.

Tigers didnt need help in attack,we are blessed with some amazing attacking players like tedesco, moses, brooks, nofa and naiqama. Its our defence that has been the problem and the reason we havent played semis for a long time. JT's mantra has been about improving our defence, and we are currently 4th last in defence. Its amazing how people will call out Farah for everything he has done in the past 10 years (and who knows what is true and what is made up) but let JT off scott free. For the sake of the club and to start fresh, both Taylor and Farah need to be gone. I hope we get Cleary before somebody else does.

 

[jadtiger]

Surely people understand that no matter what happens, Robbie still gets every cent of him money. The motivation here is not to save a dollar but rather to free up some cash to sign and re-sign other players whilst another club contributes toward Farah's wage.

But many care about Robbie and the Club. We lose about $450K-$600K by moving him on, and we get someone else on about $350K-$450K to replace him - and that player could well be under Farah's standard or no better. It only creates bad will for the club amongst other players and amongst many fans.

Well the players are showing no signs of bad will. They havnt missed a beat.
And this will be our first home game since the boning. The size of the crowd will reflect if the fans have been turned off or not.

The size of the crowd will show support for our club in charging for the top 8 to suggest anything else is pushing an agenda.

 

[cktiger]

**Back the coach.\
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ALWAYS back the coach.**

All the facebook bleeding hearts for robbie belt out the same tune - ITS DISRESPECTFUL, OMG IT"S PERSONAL, OMG F##K TAYLOR HE'S A CHUMP

Jason Taylor then comes out and says what we have all known and seen for the last 20 weeks, then on top of that FOX SPORTS CONFIRM THE LOT by going to the statistics.

Guys, love him or hate him -Jason Taylor isn't stupid. He's now finally been given his moment to prove it.

Get a lobster on the tigers to make the 8, and you will win enough to have a semi decent night out come September.

Do you remember Terry Lamb? :laughing:

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Well it depends on what people are talking about. The only figure out there is the $950K figure which has been widely reported. I haven't seen it reported how much of that is supposed back pay, but regardless of its status it comes out of the cap as you know.

In 2015 prior to getting the tap on the shoulder Farah was coasting. He wasn't playing anywhere near the level that a club would expect out of a player getting $700K-$750K. He came out and played a great game after it all became public (against the Warriors at Campbelltown) but he hadn't been playing anything like that. In 15 appearances he'd broken the line twice and scored 1 try. He wasn't making the incisive runs around the ruck that he had been (albeit his runs per game remained high) and his metres per run were paltry. So the club would've looked ahead and seen him on the books for $950K in 2017 and they would've been concerned. They probably would have expected that he would decline further with age as usually happens. Further, the projected makeup of the team had quickly changed after he signed with the heavy investment in Teddy, Moses and Brooks. The need for a play making hooker was diminished.

From a salary cap management perspective the $950K figure was the only one that would've mattered. If he had been playing at the level of a $700-$750K player then maybe they could've worn it, but he just wasn't. Not even close. With so many competing demands on the cap that $950K would've looked like an absolute goldmine, so they tapped him on the shoulder. There were plenty of options out there for a hooker in the $200K range that could do the serviceable job that the coach wanted.

From his perspective he knew the last two years of his contract were dicey when he signed it. He's said as much. When players are getting paid those sorts of dollars there are expectations on them - big expectations. They're the sorts of players that are supposed to be winning games for their team. He wasn't that player in 2015 and so the club acted, knowing that he was going to be tying up more than 13.5% of the salary cap in 2017.

Contracts are fluid things and sometimes it's worth taking the hit in breaking them, that's why they're drafted with clauses anticipating breaches. Clubs have to make the decision to break contracts from time to time. It would be a useless administrator that would just sit back and blame all the club's problems on prior management without trying to do anything about them. The problem was recognised and they acted. Nobody knows how they acted because the club have never come out and said it, yet numerous people on here are quite happy to come out and say the club handled it badly (knowing virtually nothing about what the club attempted behind the scenes).

He was not going to be worth $950K in 2017\. He was not going to be worth $750K. In 2015 it looked like he might've been a $400K-$450K play making hooker and that just wasn't a fit for what they wanted and they were not prepared to allow the cap to be crippled in that way.

Well articulated.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

if this Club is even considering offering Farah a position at the club down the track they are deluded. Keep the fans happy and give him his farewell but then shut the door and change the locks

Smartest post I've seen on here for 2 years!

 

[stevetiger]

It has only being incorrectly made 365 times over the past year. Not a good look for comprehension of football fans.

I'm not a Farah fanboy at all but this really annoys me, by now the people doing it are either purposely distorting the situation or are really really dumb as they have been corrected so many times.

I think that both of your possibilities are definetly right

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But I repeat he won't be here next year, he has burnt some bridges with people of greater influence than Jason Taylor!

The amount of people who flat out refuse to acknowledge this little tidbit.

GNR - I definitely can see that he may have done some fairly minor things wrong. There is no way though that these things that are wrong are that bad. He isn't Willie Mason or Matt Lodge and I don't think he has slept with any players wives or anything like that.

I think anything that he has done wrong reflects on the people that are judging him as much as Robbie.

It's all overblown and in my opinion disrespectful to a player like Robbie. He still turns up and plays reserve grade to the best of his ability. Do the haters come on and give him credit for that.

 

[stevetiger]

The club is well within their rights to shop him around but he is well within his rights to try and stay and be loyal to the club he has played his entire career for.

If I was Robbie I think I'd play reserve grade next season. If they pick me in first grade great. If not who cares. I'd be doing my best to win the comp.

Robbie looked pretty good yesterday.

I'd just state I love the Tigers and I want to go out a one club player. I also want to play first grade but that's up to the coaching staff to pick me.

 

[cochise]

The club is well within their rights to shop him around but he is well within his rights to try and stay and be loyal to the club he has played his entire career for.

If I was Robbie I think I'd play reserve grade next season. If they pick me in first grade great. If not who cares. I'd be doing my best to win the comp.

Robbie looked pretty good yesterday.

I'd just state I love the Tigers and I want to go out a one club player. I also want to play first grade but that's up to the coaching staff to pick me.

It's funny, so many people complain about the lack of loyalty in sport now, here is a player fighting to be a one club player and people criticize him for it. No matter what you think of him, his loyalty should be admired.

 

[Nelson]

The club is well within their rights to shop him around but he is well within his rights to try and stay and be loyal to the club he has played his entire career for.

If I was Robbie I think I'd play reserve grade next season. If they pick me in first grade great. If not who cares. I'd be doing my best to win the comp.

Robbie looked pretty good yesterday.

I'd just state I love the Tigers and I want to go out a one club player. I also want to play first grade but that's up to the coaching staff to pick me.

It's funny, so many people complain about the lack of loyalty in sport now, here is a player fighting to be a one club player and people criticize him for it. No matter what you think of him, his loyalty should be admired.

That assumes he's motivated by loyalty.

 

[cochise]

The club is well within their rights to shop him around but he is well within his rights to try and stay and be loyal to the club he has played his entire career for.

If I was Robbie I think I'd play reserve grade next season. If they pick me in first grade great. If not who cares. I'd be doing my best to win the comp.

Robbie looked pretty good yesterday.

I'd just state I love the Tigers and I want to go out a one club player. I also want to play first grade but that's up to the coaching staff to pick me.

It's funny, so many people complain about the lack of loyalty in sport now, here is a player fighting to be a one club player and people criticize him for it. No matter what you think of him, his loyalty should be admired.

That assumes he's motivated by loyalty.

Ok, educate me, what is it motivated by. What other reason could he have to stay and risk finishing his career in reserve grade?

 

[Nelson]

If I was Robbie I think I'd play reserve grade next season. If they pick me in first grade great. If not who cares. I'd be doing my best to win the comp.

Robbie looked pretty good yesterday.

I'd just state I love the Tigers and I want to go out a one club player. I also want to play first grade but that's up to the coaching staff to pick me.

It's funny, so many people complain about the lack of loyalty in sport now, here is a player fighting to be a one club player and people criticize him for it. No matter what you think of him, his loyalty should be admired.

That assumes he's motivated by loyalty.

Ok, educate me, what is it motivated by. What other reason could he have to stay and risk finishing his career in reserve grade?

Vindictiveness
Competitiveness
Legacy building

Canning the club in the media doesn't sit comfortably with loyalty for mine.

 

[Milky]

Just saw the part of Go and Pacoes families being close…

I'm sure it's actually Taylor and Go's family being close

 

[gallagher]

Surely people understand that no matter what happens, Robbie still gets every cent of him money. The motivation here is not to save a dollar but rather to free up some cash to sign and re-sign other players whilst another club contributes toward Farah's wage.

But many care about Robbie and the Club. We lose about $450K-$600K by moving him on, and we get someone else on about $350K-$450K to replace him - and that player could well be under Farah's standard or no better. It only creates bad will for the club amongst other players and amongst many fans.

Well the players are showing no signs of bad will. They havnt missed a beat.
And this will be our first home game since the boning. The size of the crowd will reflect if the fans have been turned off or not.

The size of the crowd will show support for our club in charging for the top 8 to suggest anything else is pushing an agenda.

Thats my point. Farahs axing hasn't turned supporters off the club as some are suggesting.

 

[cochise]

It's funny, so many people complain about the lack of loyalty in sport now, here is a player fighting to be a one club player and people criticize him for it. No matter what you think of him, his loyalty should be admired.

That assumes he's motivated by loyalty.

Ok, educate me, what is it motivated by. What other reason could he have to stay and risk finishing his career in reserve grade?

Vindictiveness
Competitiveness
Legacy building

Canning the club in the media doesn't sit comfortably with loyalty for mine.

Legacy, by finishing his career in reserve grade? but so what if he wants to finish a one club player, he is well within his right as the club gave him the contract that allows him to do so.
Competitiveness, I have no problem with him staying because of competitiveness.
Vindictiveness, He would be hurting himself more than the club so I doubt that is it.

I actually think it is time for him to move on but to say he is not loyal is just a lie, it has been stated many times that he took paycuts on a number of times to stay at the club or allow others to stay.

Robbie Farah is definitely stubborn, passionate, abrupt, single minded, strong willed, unwavering, relentless, prickly, and quite often says things he probably shouldn't, he is someone who is very difficult to manage, but if you can not see that he has been loyal to this club then you are blinded by your dislike for the guy, which probably makes you similar to Robbie in a lot of the things I listed above.

 

[cochise]

It's funny, so many people complain about the lack of loyalty in sport now, here is a player fighting to be a one club player and people criticize him for it. No matter what you think of him, his loyalty should be admired.

That assumes he's motivated by loyalty.

Ok, educate me, what is it motivated by. What other reason could he have to stay and risk finishing his career in reserve grade?

Vindictiveness
Competitiveness
Legacy building

Canning the club in the media doesn't sit comfortably with loyalty for mine.

But canning players and the club on a public forum is loyal behaviour on behalf of a supporter? If he shouldn't be discussing the problems with the club due to loyalty, then neither should you. He has a major larger right than you do to discuss the problems at the club.

 

[innsaneink]

Vindictiveness
Competitiveness
Legacy building

Canning the club in the media doesn't sit comfortably with loyalty for mine.

But canning players and the club on a public forum is loyal behaviour on behalf of a supporter? If he shouldn't be discussing the problems with the club due to loyalty, then neither should you. He has a major larger right than you do to discuss the problems at the club.

Are you for real?
They're paid public figures.
We pay to support them.
You really don't get it eh?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

That assumes he's motivated by loyalty.

Ok, educate me, what is it motivated by. What other reason could he have to stay and risk finishing his career in reserve grade?

Vindictiveness
Competitiveness
Legacy building

Canning the club in the media doesn't sit comfortably with loyalty for mine.

But canning players and the club on a public forum is loyal behaviour on behalf of a supporter? If he shouldn't be discussing the problems with the club due to loyalty, then neither should you. He has a major larger right than you do to discuss the problems at the club.

If you don't get the difference you probably won't understand the explanation.

 

[stevetiger]

But many care about Robbie and the Club. We lose about $450K-$600K by moving him on, and we get someone else on about $350K-$450K to replace him - and that player could well be under Farah's standard or no better. It only creates bad will for the club amongst other players and amongst many fans.

Well the players are showing no signs of bad will. They havnt missed a beat.
And this will be our first home game since the boning. The size of the crowd will reflect if the fans have been turned off or not.

The size of the crowd will show support for our club in charging for the top 8 to suggest anything else is pushing an agenda.

Thats my point. Farahs axing hasn't turned supporters off the club as some are suggesting.

Of course it hasn't. It's the same as players being impacted by it. The fans may be upset by it. The players mightn't like it. The players and fans though will continue to support the Tigers.

It's like when a big CEO leaves a company. It makes no difference.

 

[tigerap]

I would assume that the re-signing priority would be:-

1\. Teddy
2\. Woods
3\. Moses
4\. Brooks