ET to Rugby?

[Tigerdon]

I can't really see ET as a Rugby player.
Not tall enough for the 2nd row, not short or fat enough for front row. Possibly an lock/lose forward but there would be heaps in front of him for that unique position.
Its mostly backs from League that the Rah Rah's like (other than Brad Thorn).
If the Waratahs didn't want to pay for Hayne then they aren't going to pay much for ET. He's not young and is much more suited to League. He has the high Tempo game,good tackler and doesn't need breaks for penalties. Can go for long minutes without a break. He all the attributes for NRL.

 

[cktiger]

GNR - I don't have the time to cut and paste but in answer to a few points on your reply to me…
1\. You were the one who accused me of basing my views on heritage (I just gave an honest reply) so your thoughts on the people who do this says more about you than me.
2\. Your'e welcome to your opinion on whether Taylor's a failure or not.
3\. His win/loss is poor and the last time he took a team to the (bottom half of) the semis was 2007.
You conveniently skipped team selections and man management.
4.You may not be supporting him blindly because he's the coach but it's obvious some people are.

I was turning it back around on you after you were accusing everyone else. I've never accused anyone of supporting or criticizing based on past allegiances.

**I didn't skip team selections. Go back and read my post again**.

Sorry, I missed that part.
Must have dozed off.

Given how much you still care about Balmain v Wests i'm not surprised.

Nice try but I see no relevance to my last comment.
Maybe you are confusing yourself with me.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

So most will blame Farah for hogging the Salary cap and not being able to retain ET
This is what i say, stupid club recently re-sgined Sirro, Aloiai and MCK when they should have kept that coin to retain ET

Clearly they were banking on Farah to bugger off, he hasnt and we are stuck

 

[Geo]

So most will blame Farah for hogging the Salary cap and not being able to retain ET
This is what i say, stupid club recently re-sgined Sirro, Aloiai and MCK when they should have kept that coin to retain ET

Clearly they were banking on Farah to bugger off, he hasnt and we are stuck

Sironen took up an option in his favour that was in his contract from previous management…he wasn't re-signed...

As for Aloiai and Chee-Kam all Clubs need minimum wage players in their squad...there signing will have no effect on the retention of Elijah Taylor...

 

[balmain boy]

So most will blame Farah for hogging the Salary cap and not being able to retain ET
This is what i say, stupid club recently re-sgined Sirro, Aloiai and MCK when they should have kept that coin to retain ET

Clearly they were banking on Farah to bugger off, he hasnt and we are stuck

Sironen took up an option in his favour that was in his contract from previous management…he wasn't re-signed...

As for Aloiai and Chee-Kam all Clubs need minimum wage players in their squad...there signing will have no effect on the retention of Elijah Taylor...

That's not totally accurate Geo. Yes all clubs need minimum wage payers in their squad but we chose to sign them up before we signed up our star player. If we hadn't, we probably would have enough to have signed ET by now. Doing so might have meant we would lose Aloiai or MCK if another club came at them hard, and while that wouldn't be my ideal situation i'd willing to risk losing them to definitely keep ET.

Cheap squaddies are in less demand and are easier to replace than star players.

If we did sign ET and MCK and Aloiai sign elsewhere and then we'd simply have to sign other cheap squaddies who maybe aren't of the same quality as the ones we lost.

 

[Needaname]

So most will blame Farah for hogging the Salary cap and not being able to retain ET
This is what i say, stupid club recently re-sgined Sirro, Aloiai and MCK when they should have kept that coin to retain ET

Clearly they were banking on Farah to bugger off, he hasnt and we are stuck

Sironen took up an option in his favour that was in his contract from previous management…he wasn't re-signed...

As for Aloiai and Chee-Kam all Clubs need minimum wage players in their squad...there signing will have no effect on the retention of Elijah Taylor...

That's not totally accurate Geo. Yes all clubs need minimum wage payers in their squad but we chose to sign them up before we signed up our star player. If we hadn't, we probably would have enough to have signed ET by now. Doing so might have meant we would lose Aloiai or MCK if another club came at them hard, and while that wouldn't be my ideal situation i'd willing to risk losing them to definitely keep ET.

Cheap squaddies are in less demand and are easier to replace than star players.

If we did sign ET and MCK and Aloiai sign elsewhere and then we'd simply have to sign other cheap squaddies who maybe aren't of the same quality as the ones we lost.

With all due respect to the above comment but I have to disagree.
Whilst ET is a very important player currently to the style we play. You cannot go down the path of paying all out for one player as we have been caught out doing in the past.
In trying to build a quality side, squad depth is very important, even more important is the chance of keeping players that have been exposed to the system whilst also being exposed to first grade. In most cases buying within has the potential to secure those players on a less inflated contract due to the fact they are already happy within their surroundings.
Had we moved our squaddies on, we would be stuck paying slightly over's to bring someone with similar experience from another club or buying rookies and starting over again.

 

[balmain boy]

So most will blame Farah for hogging the Salary cap and not being able to retain ET
This is what i say, stupid club recently re-sgined Sirro, Aloiai and MCK when they should have kept that coin to retain ET

Clearly they were banking on Farah to bugger off, he hasnt and we are stuck

Sironen took up an option in his favour that was in his contract from previous management…he wasn't re-signed...

As for Aloiai and Chee-Kam all Clubs need minimum wage players in their squad...there signing will have no effect on the retention of Elijah Taylor...

That's not totally accurate Geo. Yes all clubs need minimum wage payers in their squad but we chose to sign them up before we signed up our star player. If we hadn't, we probably would have enough to have signed ET by now. Doing so might have meant we would lose Aloiai or MCK if another club came at them hard, and while that wouldn't be my ideal situation i'd willing to risk losing them to definitely keep ET.

Cheap squaddies are in less demand and are easier to replace than star players.

If we did sign ET and MCK and Aloiai sign elsewhere and then we'd simply have to sign other cheap squaddies who maybe aren't of the same quality as the ones we lost.

With all due respect to the above comment but I have to disagree.
Whilst ET is a very important player currently to the style we play. You cannot go down the path of paying all out for one player as we have been caught out doing in the past.
In trying to build a quality side, squad depth is very important, even more important is the chance of keeping players that have been exposed to the system whilst also being exposed to first grade. In most cases buying within has the potential to secure those players on a less inflated contract due to the fact they are already happy within their surroundings.
Had we moved our squaddies on, we would be stuck paying slightly over's to bring someone with similar experience from another club or buying rookies and starting over again.

But we still very well could keep all 3 even if ET was signed first. Of those players ET is the one most likely to get offered more elsewhere. Clubs wouldn't be offering fringe players much more than what we could, and if they were happy and we said we'll be able to sign you at the end of the season there's still a decent chance they'd stay.

On the other hand ET getting offered more money might be less likely to wait a few months until we maybe have enough cash to offer him what he wants.

 

[Needaname]

Sironen took up an option in his favour that was in his contract from previous management…he wasn't re-signed...

As for Aloiai and Chee-Kam all Clubs need minimum wage players in their squad...there signing will have no effect on the retention of Elijah Taylor...

That's not totally accurate Geo. Yes all clubs need minimum wage payers in their squad but we chose to sign them up before we signed up our star player. If we hadn't, we probably would have enough to have signed ET by now. Doing so might have meant we would lose Aloiai or MCK if another club came at them hard, and while that wouldn't be my ideal situation i'd willing to risk losing them to definitely keep ET.

Cheap squaddies are in less demand and are easier to replace than star players.

If we did sign ET and MCK and Aloiai sign elsewhere and then we'd simply have to sign other cheap squaddies who maybe aren't of the same quality as the ones we lost.

With all due respect to the above comment but I have to disagree.
Whilst ET is a very important player currently to the style we play. You cannot go down the path of paying all out for one player as we have been caught out doing in the past.
In trying to build a quality side, squad depth is very important, even more important is the chance of keeping players that have been exposed to the system whilst also being exposed to first grade. In most cases buying within has the potential to secure those players on a less inflated contract due to the fact they are already happy within their surroundings.
Had we moved our squaddies on, we would be stuck paying slightly over's to bring someone with similar experience from another club or buying rookies and starting over again.

But we still very well could keep all 3 even if ET was signed first. Of those players ET is the one most likely to get offered more elsewhere. Clubs wouldn't be offering fringe players much more than what we could, and if they were happy and we said we'll be able to sign you at the end of the season there's still a decent chance they'd stay.

On the other hand ET getting offered more money might be less likely to wait a few months until we maybe have enough cash to offer him what he wants.

Well i guess it depends on the cash situation we find ourselves in.
If we can sign all three without changes to the current squad, then yes the argument stands.
We are led to believe that it is not possible at this stage with how we are placed with the cap.

I do get the feeling though, due to Mania moving on and Geo's subtle hints, that that has free'd up enough cash for next year. Even if the club planned on re-signing Mania on less than $200, it's still money that is available now.
But still I ask why haven't the club confirmed it.
Are they waiting for a chance to rectify an unfortunate announcement with a good one?

 

[iofthetigers]

I can't really see ET as a Rugby player.
Not tall enough for the 2nd row, not short or fat enough for front row. Possibly an lock/lose forward but there would be heaps in front of him for that unique position.
Its mostly backs from League that the Rah Rah's like (other than Brad Thorn).
If the Waratahs didn't want to pay for Hayne then they aren't going to pay much for ET. He's not young and is much more suited to League. He has the high Tempo game,good tackler and doesn't need breaks for penalties. Can go for long minutes without a break. He all the attributes for NRL.

ET has more of a rugby background than league

 

[Nelson]

I can't really see ET as a Rugby player.
Not tall enough for the 2nd row, not short or fat enough for front row. Possibly an lock/lose forward but there would be heaps in front of him for that unique position.
Its mostly backs from League that the Rah Rah's like (other than Brad Thorn).
If the Waratahs didn't want to pay for Hayne then they aren't going to pay much for ET. He's not young and is much more suited to League. He has the high Tempo game,good tackler and doesn't need breaks for penalties. Can go for long minutes without a break. He all the attributes for NRL.

ET has more of a rugby background than league

He has played top flight league for the last 8 years (including u/20's) and has never played top flight rugby - he is a league player. Just because he played some Union in his youth doesn't mean he'd be a good fit for the game now. I struggle to see where he would fit in a Rugby XV.

 

[iofthetigers]

Played all junior footy in rugby,more so than Caleb Timu from the Broncos (not to dissimilar in size) & Caleb Timu switched back to union effortlessly.

 

[TopTiger]

Rugby always raises its head for a player when its contract negotiation time, agent's will try anything to lift a player's asking price!! Don't believe he would seriously be considering switching codes at this point in time in his career.

 

[Tigerdon]

Rugby always raises its head for a player when its contract negotiation time, agent's will try anything to lift a player's asking price!! Don't believe he would seriously be considering switching codes at this point in time in his career.

the Waratahs knocked back Hayne early into the negotiations.
I can't really see ET making it. mainly because the position he plays doesn't easily translate.
At this stage of ET's career his managers will just be trying to get top dollar.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

So most will blame Farah for hogging the Salary cap and not being able to retain ET
This is what i say, stupid club recently re-sgined Sirro, Aloiai and MCK when they should have kept that coin to retain ET

Clearly they were banking on Farah to bugger off, he hasnt and we are stuck

That bad luck isn't it, not Farahs fault , just extremely bad Management

 

[stevetiger]

Rugby always raises its head for a player when its contract negotiation time, agent's will try anything to lift a player's asking price!! Don't believe he would seriously be considering switching codes at this point in time in his career.

the Waratahs knocked back Hayne early into the negotiations.
I can't really see ET making it. mainly because the position he plays doesn't easily translate.
At this stage of ET's career his managers will just be trying to get top dollar.

I don't see where he would play as well. He isn't big enough to be a rugby forward and he is too slow for the backline. I don't think he would make it in the halves either.

 

[Eddie]

Does not sound to promising for us.

 

[123CYAJT]

Wow! the twists in this just keep coming.
If his already made a decision not to be here next year….
Explains why he was encouraging the club / coach to keep Farah in first grade.
Maybe his coped wind of the real reason being trying to retain him for next year and wants no part of it.
.....

Could not agree more especially seeing how he was treated at Penrith. If ET leaves it his choice and his choice only. How ridiculous to blame or even contemplate that it is Robbie's fault!

 

[tigerbenji]

I have a feeling E T will stay, Just think a T P A from Uncle Harry might get us over the line, Hope i am right.

 

[Bones]

That's not totally accurate Geo. Yes all clubs need minimum wage payers in their squad but we chose to sign them up before we signed up our star player. If we hadn't, we probably would have enough to have signed ET by now. Doing so might have meant we would lose Aloiai or MCK if another club came at them hard, and while that wouldn't be my ideal situation i'd willing to risk losing them to definitely keep ET.

Cheap squaddies are in less demand and are easier to replace than star players.

If we did sign ET and MCK and Aloiai sign elsewhere and then we'd simply have to sign other cheap squaddies who maybe aren't of the same quality as the ones we lost.

With all due respect to the above comment but I have to disagree.
Whilst ET is a very important player currently to the style we play. You cannot go down the path of paying all out for one player as we have been caught out doing in the past.
In trying to build a quality side, squad depth is very important, even more important is the chance of keeping players that have been exposed to the system whilst also being exposed to first grade. In most cases buying within has the potential to secure those players on a less inflated contract due to the fact they are already happy within their surroundings.
Had we moved our squaddies on, we would be stuck paying slightly over's to bring someone with similar experience from another club or buying rookies and starting over again.

But we still very well could keep all 3 even if ET was signed first. Of those players ET is the one most likely to get offered more elsewhere. Clubs wouldn't be offering fringe players much more than what we could, and if they were happy and we said we'll be able to sign you at the end of the season there's still a decent chance they'd stay.

On the other hand ET getting offered more money might be less likely to wait a few months until we maybe have enough cash to offer him what he wants.

Well i guess it depends on the cash situation we find ourselves in.
If we can sign all three without changes to the current squad, then yes the argument stands.
We are led to believe that it is not possible at this stage with how we are placed with the cap.

I do get the feeling though, due to Mania moving on and Geo's subtle hints, that that has free'd up enough cash for next year. Even if the club planned on re-signing Mania on less than $200, it's still money that is available now.
But still I ask why haven't the club confirmed it.
Are they waiting for a chance to rectify an unfortunate announcement with a good one?

I think you guys missed the point. You have to have players on minimum wage. Wether you sign them now or later makes 0 difference to how much cap space you have to spend.

 

[Geo]

From the latest Farah to the Dragons article…

"I'm really hoping to stay," Taylor said. "I've learned a lot, made some good friendships.

"I'm used to the place now, used to the players, used to the coach. Hopefully we can sort something out.

"It's moving in the right direction."

Encouraging signs…