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[GNR4LIFE]

You can think what you like - in fact I have thought similarly about yourself on occasion.

This doesn't surprise me. When you start accusing everyone who disagrees with you that they disagree based on their heritage, it says more about you than them.

If i was to turn around and talk about usernames you have reference to a Tiger but not Wests. Not the same though i'm sure you'll argue.

My opinion in this matter is to choose to support someone who has given everything to the club over someone who has been a failure the entire time he has been here.

And that is your prerogative. I would argue he hasn't been a failure for the entire time he's been here, as we've improved our position on the ladder this yr, sitting only 2 points out of the 8 with a realistic chance to still push our way into the semis. We've re-signed key players, and pulled off an awesome mid season signing in Elijah Taylor.

Taylor has no allegiance to the WestsTigers past his term as coach, has a poor win/loss ratio, has people regularly dumbfounded with his ridiculous team selections and has demonstrated both now, and in the past, he has poor man management skills.

His win/loss ratio may be poor, but he's taken both previous first grade sides he's coached to the finals. People talk about him like he's Arthur Kitinas.

To support him just because he is the coach, without questioning if he actually knows what he is doing, is the biggest mistake some people are making.
All my opinion , of course.

No one is supporting him blindly. The right edge is a problem, and team selections leave a bit to be desired, but again, the way people make a fuss over him, you would think we're still languishing in the bottom 4, not 2 points out of the 8\. If by some chance we qualify, the yr will be a resounding success going from 15th to finals footy the very next yr.

 

[Geo]

Well now that's out of the way…

I'm confident Elijah Taylor will be at the Wests Tigers beyond 2016...

 

[foreveratiger]

ET leaves we will see how much love Farah has left in the club trust me!

what a dumb and stupid comment snake, just because robbie is owed $900,000 plus next season is not his fault, what about the years he took a lot less to help the club out.

We just do not get it do we ..over 12 months ago Farah was told his services were no longer required fast forward Farah still in front of the media telling anyone that wants to listen how the club can not survive without him .How many times does this have to be spelt out it is not about money he is going to get his money either way .Again HIS SERVICES ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED BY THE CLUB is this to hard to understand what is the problem!!!!!!!!! .He knows staying put will jeopardise any chance the club will have of retaining ET and signing any others , this is not about money!

If it wasn't about money, the club would already have paid Farah out and released him. But the contract would still count against the cap, leaving (so it is alleged) nothing left to re-sign Taylor. Farah is going to get his money either way because that's what's in his contract: the only question is whether the Tigers pay all the money or just some of it.

The problem for the club is that it has no leverage. It's desperate to unload Farah to someone else that will pay enough of his salary to allow Taylor to be signed under the cap. But Farah has no obligation to accept any deal - if he doesn't want to play for the Knights or the Dragons or Leeds he can just say no thanks, I'll stay at the Tigers. It doesn't matter if the Tigers don't want him: he's contracted to them.

This is what people like you don't get when you say "he is going to get his money either way". Yes he is, but that's not because the club is being generous - it's because that's what his contract says. Farah's position is, basically, I'm going to take my money from the Tigers unless and until something comes along that appeals more. The Tigers have precisely two options: hope that such an offer arises, or release Farah (taking his whole contract as a cap hit).

What the club is obviously trying to do is make staying at the Tigers so unpleasant that Farah will be more inclined to accept any offer that comes along. Farah obviously knows that he's not wanted, but for whatever reason (stubbornness, quite possibly) is basically saying that he'd rather stay and be unwanted than take any of the offers that have come along. Do you think that if Wayne Bennett called Farah and said "I want you to be my first choice hooker next year" Farah wouldn't be off like a shot? Of course he would. Maybe he doesn't want to live in Yorkshire or play for a garbage Knights team. For the Tigers, that's just tough - unless they just want to release Farah, which does nothing for their cap problems.

The responsibility here lies 100% at the feet of whoever have Farah this contract in the first place.

Absolutely Bang on . Top post 2041

well thought out Post wish Wests supporter or snake could comprehend this .

It's seriously not that hard .

If Farah wants to finish up his Career in Reserve Grade next year ? his choice either way no other Club will pay more than $200,000 of his Contract for 2017 at his age IMO , just what Anasta was paid when we got him.

 

[cktiger]

GNR - I don't have the time to cut and paste but in answer to a few points on your reply to me…
1\. You were the one who accused me of basing my views on heritage (I just gave an honest reply) so your thoughts on the people who do this says more about you than me.
2\. Your'e welcome to your opinion on whether Taylor's a failure or not.
3\. His win/loss is poor and the last time he took a team to the (bottom half of) the semis was 2007.
You conveniently skipped team selections and man management.
4.You may not be supporting him blindly because he's the coach but it's obvious some people are.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

GNR - I don't have the time to cut and paste but in answer to a few points on your reply to me…
1\. You were the one who accused me of basing my views on heritage (I just gave an honest reply) so your thoughts on the people who do this says more about you than me.
2\. Your'e welcome to your opinion on whether Taylor's a failure or not.
3\. His win/loss is poor and the last time he took a team to the (bottom half of) the semis was 2007.
You conveniently skipped team selections and man management.
4.You may not be supporting him blindly because he's the coach but it's obvious some people are.

I was turning it back around on you after you were accusing everyone else. I've never accused anyone of supporting or criticizing based on past allegiances.

I didn't skip team selections. Go back and read my post again.

 

[Needaname]

Well now that's out of the way…

I'm confident Elijah Taylor will be at the Wests Tigers beyond 2016...

Something you have just found out Geo?

Do tell…

 

[white]

seriously why dont we get rid of the plodders like lovett,rankin or any other fringe player. you cant be letting lass players go. please tell me otherwise if i am wrong.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If it wasn't about money, the club would already have paid Farah out and released him. But the contract would still count against the cap, leaving (so it is alleged) nothing left to re-sign Taylor. Farah is going to get his money either way because that's what's in his contract: the only question is whether the Tigers pay all the money or just some of it.

The problem for the club is that it has no leverage. It's desperate to unload Farah to someone else that will pay enough of his salary to allow Taylor to be signed under the cap. But Farah has no obligation to accept any deal - if he doesn't want to play for the Knights or the Dragons or Leeds he can just say no thanks, I'll stay at the Tigers. It doesn't matter if the Tigers don't want him: he's contracted to them.

This is what people like you don't get when you say "he is going to get his money either way". Yes he is, but that's not because the club is being generous - it's because that's what his contract says. Farah's position is, basically, I'm going to take my money from the Tigers unless and until something comes along that appeals more. The Tigers have precisely two options: hope that such an offer arises, or release Farah (taking his whole contract as a cap hit).

What the club is obviously trying to do is make staying at the Tigers so unpleasant that Farah will be more inclined to accept any offer that comes along. Farah obviously knows that he's not wanted, but for whatever reason (stubbornness, quite possibly) is basically saying that he'd rather stay and be unwanted than take any of the offers that have come along. Do you think that if Wayne Bennett called Farah and said "I want you to be my first choice hooker next year" Farah wouldn't be off like a shot? Of course he would. Maybe he doesn't want to live in Yorkshire or play for a garbage Knights team. For the Tigers, that's just tough - unless they just want to release Farah, which does nothing for their cap problems.

The responsibility here lies 100% at the feet of whoever have Farah this contract in the first place.

Absolutely Bang on . Top post 2041

well thought out Post wish Wests supporter or snake could comprehend this .

It's seriously not that hard .

If Farah wants to finish up his Career in Reserve Grade next year ? his choice either way no other Club will pay more than $200,000 of his Contract for 2017 at his age IMO , just what Anasta was paid when we got him.

Except Anasta had been rubbish for years. Farah is still a decent player, just not worth 900K a year.

 

[Nelson]

seriously why dont we get rid of the plodders like lovett,rankin or any other fringe player. you cant be letting lass players go. please tell me otherwise if i am wrong.

Because, as this saga demonstrates, you can't just "get rid of" players that you no longer want or need. The more you want them gone the less likely it is that there will be someone else willing to take them.

 

[foreveratiger]

If it wasn't about money, the club would already have paid Farah out and released him. But the contract would still count against the cap, leaving (so it is alleged) nothing left to re-sign Taylor. Farah is going to get his money either way because that's what's in his contract: the only question is whether the Tigers pay all the money or just some of it.

The problem for the club is that it has no leverage. It's desperate to unload Farah to someone else that will pay enough of his salary to allow Taylor to be signed under the cap. But Farah has no obligation to accept any deal - if he doesn't want to play for the Knights or the Dragons or Leeds he can just say no thanks, I'll stay at the Tigers. It doesn't matter if the Tigers don't want him: he's contracted to them.

This is what people like you don't get when you say "he is going to get his money either way". Yes he is, but that's not because the club is being generous - it's because that's what his contract says. Farah's position is, basically, I'm going to take my money from the Tigers unless and until something comes along that appeals more. The Tigers have precisely two options: hope that such an offer arises, or release Farah (taking his whole contract as a cap hit).

What the club is obviously trying to do is make staying at the Tigers so unpleasant that Farah will be more inclined to accept any offer that comes along. Farah obviously knows that he's not wanted, but for whatever reason (stubbornness, quite possibly) is basically saying that he'd rather stay and be unwanted than take any of the offers that have come along. Do you think that if Wayne Bennett called Farah and said "I want you to be my first choice hooker next year" Farah wouldn't be off like a shot? Of course he would. Maybe he doesn't want to live in Yorkshire or play for a garbage Knights team. For the Tigers, that's just tough - unless they just want to release Farah, which does nothing for their cap problems.

The responsibility here lies 100% at the feet of whoever have Farah this contract in the first place.

Absolutely Bang on . Top post 2041

well thought out Post wish Wests supporter or snake could comprehend this .

It's seriously not that hard .

If Farah wants to finish up his Career in Reserve Grade next year ? his choice either way no other Club will pay more than $200,000 of his Contract for 2017 at his age IMO , just what Anasta was paid when we got him.

Except Anasta had been rubbish for years. Farah is still a decent player, just not worth 900K a year.

I agree CB

No Club will come in for him without expecting us to pay at least 75% of his final year , other Clubs know we are desperate to of-load him and they will take full advantage of the situation and will only pay the Minimum possible .

I would be very surprised if he plays out the final year in Reserve Grade next year….that will be as Personal as you can get .
Robbie always said he will never play for another NRL Club but then again so did Benji.

 

[balmain boy]

Does Robbie want to suffer the humiliation of playing out his career in a semi-pro league in front of a handful of people?

I think he was calling JT's bluff, but when now faced with the realistic option of going from origin to being a park footballer his ego might take control and actively explore options to compete at a higher level.

While we'd ideally want a club to take 400-450k, realistically if the best we can get is enough to cover ET then i think we'd take it.

The Dragons lack creativity of any kind at present. Would Robbie make them a better team? Definitely. If they could get Robbie for the same price they were willing to pay Rein i think they'd jump at the chance. Rein, while an ok player, isn't the solution to their problems. Robbie may or may not be, but he's a lot closer to what they need bar anyone except maybe Segeyaro.

 

[diedpretty]

You are the one not getting it.
Farah is OWED the money.
Either way, stay or go, it has to come out of the cap.
The problem is the people looking after our cap - players will always get as much as they can negotiate.

He is not OWED the money yet. He is owed it over the course of the 2017 season. It is a contract for services, not a guaranteed payment of money for nothing.

Farah is willing to provide a service .. It's the dumb coach who's got a vendetta !

Farah could sit on the beach in Bali all of next season … He'll still get his money !

No he couldn't - he is contracted to meet certain requirements ie attend training. At this stage all he is actually entitled to is the money that was deferred from the previous contract which by all accounts is approx. 250k. The other 700k will be paid to him for his services for the 2017 season. The club wouldn't have to pay him any of that if he decides to sit on the beach at Bali rather than undertake his contractual obligations.

 

[cktiger]

GNR - I don't have the time to cut and paste but in answer to a few points on your reply to me…
1\. You were the one who accused me of basing my views on heritage (I just gave an honest reply) so your thoughts on the people who do this says more about you than me.
2\. Your'e welcome to your opinion on whether Taylor's a failure or not.
3\. His win/loss is poor and the last time he took a team to the (bottom half of) the semis was 2007.
You conveniently skipped team selections and man management.
4.You may not be supporting him blindly because he's the coach but it's obvious some people are.

I was turning it back around on you after you were accusing everyone else. I've never accused anyone of supporting or criticizing based on past allegiances.

**I didn't skip team selections. Go back and read my post again**.

Sorry, I missed that part.
Must have dozed off.

 

[Masterton]

seriously why dont we get rid of the plodders like lovett,rankin or any other fringe player. you cant be letting lass players go. please tell me otherwise if i am wrong.

Lovett & Rankin are on close to minimum wage. If they were to leave, we'd need to replace them with someone else in the top 25 at the same price, so it doesn't help us at all.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

GNR - I don't have the time to cut and paste but in answer to a few points on your reply to me…
1\. You were the one who accused me of basing my views on heritage (I just gave an honest reply) so your thoughts on the people who do this says more about you than me.
2\. Your'e welcome to your opinion on whether Taylor's a failure or not.
3\. His win/loss is poor and the last time he took a team to the (bottom half of) the semis was 2007.
You conveniently skipped team selections and man management.
4.You may not be supporting him blindly because he's the coach but it's obvious some people are.

I was turning it back around on you after you were accusing everyone else. I've never accused anyone of supporting or criticizing based on past allegiances.

**I didn't skip team selections. Go back and read my post again**.

Sorry, I missed that part.
Must have dozed off.

Given how much you still care about Balmain v Wests i'm not surprised.

 

[851]

I'm a Wests Tigers supporter. Wests = Wests Tigers these days, thanks. The Magpie is heritage-related. I support the team, not the player.

That may be the case, but it seems to me you support the coach (who just happens to be an ex Wests player).
Funny that.

And there are old Magpie supporters who want him gone, what's your point. I'm starting to think you're the one whose opinions are affected by heritage.

You can think what you like - in fact I have thought similarly about yourself on occasion.
My opinion in this matter is to choose to support someone who has given everything to the club over someone who has been a failure the entire time he has been here.
Taylor has no allegiance to the WestsTigers past his term as coach, has a poor win/loss ratio, has people regularly dumbfounded with his ridiculous team selections and has demonstrated both now, and in the past, he has poor man management skills.
To support him just because he is the coach, without questioning if he actually knows what he is doing, is the biggest mistake some people are making.
All my opinion , of course.

I am an old wests supporter and I agree blind faith in the coach who has made a host of bad decisions is not the way forward.

 

[851]

seriously why dont we get rid of the plodders like lovett,rankin or any other fringe player. you cant be letting lass players go. please tell me otherwise if i am wrong.

Lovett & Rankin are on close to minimum wage. If they were to leave, we'd need to replace them with someone else in the top 25 at the same price, so it doesn't help us at all.

If JT is going to coach next year losing Rankin will help us, he won't play wing and hooker, that is a huge help.

 

[newtiger]

ET leaves we will see how much love Farah has left in the club trust me!

Probably his manager leaking a few things to the media to get things moving.
Either way it has nothing to do with Farah - blame the idiots who manage our salary cap.

That is 100% true….but surely Farah can be flexible in negotiations which it appears he is not...

Surely a deal to secure long term employment within the club, beyond 2017 can be negotiated.that covers his $950k owed to him in 2017....this way we free up $950k for 2017 and Farah gets a secure future in sports admin after league.

The club could give him a position as salary cap manager.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

ET leaves we will see how much love Farah has left in the club trust me!

Once again Snake , blaming the wrong person. Blame the club they didn't have to sign his contract.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

ET leaves we will see how much love Farah has left in the club trust me!

Probably his manager leaking a few things to the media to get things moving.
Either way it has nothing to do with Farah - blame the idiots who manage our salary cap.

That is 100% true….but surely Farah can be flexible in negotiations which it appears he is not...

Surely a deal to secure long term employment within the club, beyond 2017 can be negotiated.that covers his $950k owed to him in 2017....this way we free up $950k for 2017 and Farah gets a secure future in sports admin after league.

Why not just have a handshake deal if that the case. Look at the current situation. Would you accept a handshake deal, ..especially from a football club. ..No?
Well why sign a contract at all if . if you are going Let the other signee . Change their mind when it suits them
They sign it, they pay it. !!!