Farah/Taylor Thread...

The sad thing with the Farah vrs Taylor thing is a lot of people have very strong view based on a lot rubbish peddled by two bob football jurnos and social media. For one minute i am not saying there are not issues, but to continue to crucify both parties depending on what camp you sit based on what you are hearing from unreliable sources is crazy. I think we have two very strong willed individuals who have opposite views and refuse to find some common ground, but I do not think they deserve to be continually attacked, especially Farah who given more than most to this club
 
When did the lines get blurred and cross.
Coaches should coach.
players should play the game.

Doesn't happen at other clubs, that we can see.
Why does it continue happen at wests tigers ?

Who actually is in control of the club,and why are they not stopping any interference?
 
It's funny how most here treat TTs reports as being right, but from what I can remember he's stated that Farah hasn't been a problem, yet the story of him trying to run the team still persists.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Telltails said:
@mike said:
I think it was telling when Freddy asked before the Roosters match what does the team need to do to win in conditions such as these, and you can't say hang onto the ball.

Trent Robinson gave an intelligent and articulate answer. Jason Taylor was totally lost.[/quoquot

Yes - how awkward was that. Felt the same way .

I don't want our coach blurting out our game plan on LIVE TV

Coaches are watching other coaches these days during half time breaks , time outs etc , happened recently in a NBL game when the opposition coaches assistant was watching what the other team's plan for a last second play was on his I Pad

So you blokes would trust Freddy Fittler , an ex Roosters player , captain and coach not to whisper in a Fitzgibbon's ear what our game plan was ??

I sure as shoot wouldn't , should of told Freddy to flick off before he kicked his head in :smiling_imp:

It wasn't about the game plan Happy. It was more about what the simple things a team would do in those conditions. While Taylor may have a great football brain it showed that he has poor communication skills and was unable to express the simple things the team, all teams, should do in those conditions. He was unable to communicate his ideas, if he had any.
 
@hammertime said:
I can't see farah leaving with the possibility of being blues captain next year.

Can't see that happening Hammertime,
Just looking thru the team there is no standouts but Farah is on his last legs now, surely it would go to someone younger that might be there long term.
Plus the fact his name has already had the "C" next to it, so at his age I think if he is going overseas it now or never
 
@jctiger said:
@hammertime said:
I can't see farah leaving with the possibility of being blues captain next year.

Can't see that happening Hammertime,
Just looking thru the team there is no standouts but Farah is on his last legs now, surely it would go to someone younger that might be there long term.
Plus the fact his name has already had the "C" next to it, so at his age I think if he is going overseas it now or never

Maybe… or considering the love Daley has for him, might give it to him as a swansong.
I know Gallen proposed both Robbie or Woodsy to take over after his retirement.

I hope to god he goes to the UK. I'm just trying to think about what would Robbie might be thinking. I think we could all agree, if Daley said that he would be captain next year, he would stay.
 
I've jumped into this thread late, but is there anything pointing to an actual flare up between these two… or are people just swallowing the James Hooper/MMM clickbait?

Pretty sure JT said months ago that they would be resting Farah around origin time to get the most out of him towards the back end of the season.

The only direct quotes I have seen come from Tigers players who say there is no ongoing feud at all.
 
@hammertime said:
@jctiger said:
@hammertime said:
I can't see farah leaving with the possibility of being blues captain next year.

Can't see that happening Hammertime,
Just looking thru the team there is no standouts but Farah is on his last legs now, surely it would go to someone younger that might be there long term.
Plus the fact his name has already had the "C" next to it, so at his age I think if he is going overseas it now or never

Maybe… or considering the love Daley has for him, might give it to him as a swansong.
I know Gallen proposed both Robbie or Woodsy to take over after his retirement.

I hope to god he goes to the UK. I'm just trying to think about what would Robbie might be thinking. I think we could all agree, if Daley said that he would be captain next year, he would stay.

Don't think Daley will come out in the off season again and say who is in the team and who isn't. I think he did it out of respect for Robbie for his heart and efforts for he Blues in 2014/15\. Don't think he say who or who isnt in he team till May 2017.
 
An outsiders take on the whole mess.

http://www.fansunite.com.au/2016/06/07/35358/farah-vs-taylor-or-is-it-farah-vs-the-tigers

" Like a bad marriage where both partners seemingly love each other, but they put each other through so much pain, you wonder why they do it.

When Jason Taylor came into the club to take over from Mick Potter he did it under the agreement he would have full control of the players and the coaching administration at the West Tigers. But does any coach really get full control and full support of the club?.

The Farah vs Taylor saga has reared it's ugly head again with speculation in the media that Taylor resting Farah was not solely a case of 'an origin player requiring rest'. Taylor in his press conference post the Roosters was non-committal about whether Farah would line up this week and it has sent the media into a frenzy.
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The problem with this scenario is that it doesn't just affect Robbie Farah. It affects the club and the other players. Jason Taylor has two young halfbacks attempting to ply their trade and they want to play a game that does not suit Robbie Farah's style of play. You can see it in their game, they are a much different side when Farah plays vs when Farah doesn't play. Even though Farah has adjusted his game and he doesn't run from hooker so much anymore. There is still no glue between the playmakers. The flow on is this:

1\. The two young halves can't play a game plan both they and Taylor want to play, they start losing games. Pretty soon you will have the most exciting new pair of halves coming up through the ranks with a losing culture and they will be 100 or 150 games into their career and wont be developing at the rate they should.

2\. Jason Taylor was hired to rebuild the side, and a coach should be able to come in and institute a game plan that he thinks will help rebuild a club to it's former success. His current halves and hooker combination is not a workable arrangement. If the Tigers keep losing, Taylor will find his head on the chopping block.

The problem with this scenario is that it is not the first time this has happened at the Tigers.

Tim Sheens - In 2011 while Tim Sheens was at the helm of the Australian team reports surfaced of a fall out between Farah and Sheens as Farah was allegedly disappointed with Sheens for not selecting him enough at rep. level. Although played down by Sheens, Farah, the club and other players (Marshall), Sheens coached through the 2012 season and although signed at the club until 2014, his contract was severed, the club citing poor form. However in an interview Sheens claimed it was a lack of support from senior players:

Asked whether a show of public support from senior players like Marshall and skipper Robbie Farrah could have saved his job, Sheen responded: "Put it this way: players get rid of coaches".(foxsports.com.au)

Mick Potter - In 2012 Mick Potter was brought into the club to essentially coach out the rest of Tim Sheens contract. A reported rift between Potter the Club and Farah arose when it surfaced Potter was trying to move the club on post the Farah era and sign him for only two seasons instead of four. Then midway through his tenure, Potter, as with Sheens, seemed to lose favour with the playing group and his contract was severed. When asked about his tenure at the club potter said:

"I have never been at a club like that but it was out of my control. I wasn't able to assemble my own squad as such apart from a couple of players"(sportingnews.com)

Jason Taylor - Enter Jason Taylor. The first thing Taylor did was clean house and bring his own coaching staff (and rightly so). He was seemingly given full control to rebuild the club and has a strategy to do so. This meant former players and then club coaches,Roach, Sironen, Payton and Skandalis were to be moved on at the start of 2015\. Then famously midway through 2015 it was reported that Farah was not in the clubs plans for the future and he was free to seek other options. The option Farah took was stay at the club and play out his contract and if you put together the circumstantial evidence, Farah is still at the club, the Tigers are struggling and in the early part of the season people are calling for Jason Taylors head.

It seems the two most recent coaches Potter/Taylor have attempted to look past the Robbie Farah era and to the future and they were/are metaphorically running uphill into a snow storm.

The club is not completely in the clear though. Yes obviously a club has to look to the future and yes if they feel a player will not help them reach their 5-10 year plan negotiations need to occur.

But this is not any player. This is Robbie Farah. He is one of the best hookers of the modern era. He is signed to the club until the end of 2017 and he has the right to stay where he is signed. In addition Robbie Farah saw the West Tigers through the good the bad and the ugly. And in 2012 when the club was in danger of breaching the salary cap but didn't want to lose it's star player Farah reportedly took a $200 000 pay cut to help the club out of a bad patch.

It's not just Farah and the Tigers. It's a recurring theme in professional sports and not just NRL. It seems from the outside looking in, clubs ask players for loyalty. Whenever a player seeks options at other clubs or other codes to secure their financial future they are branded as 'traitors', clubs ask players to make sacrifices and put their club and their code first. But when a club needs to axe a player, roster management, cap management etc, they cite it is a business decision, not personal, and everyone has to cop it on the chin.

The problem with all of this is that the Tigers are trying to play on both sides of the black jack table as both dealer and player. But you can't have it both ways. No player is more important than a club and no club is more important than the welfare of an individual player. The Tigers need to make a firm decision which camp they are in. They either:

1\. Stick with Farah and Taylor and ask them to work with each other until the end of 2017, then in 2018 they let Taylor take over as intended.

2\. Or they cut ties with Farah now, they back Taylor, and they either have a 750K a year player, finish out his contract in NSW cup. (presenting an interesting scenario where we have the NSW incumbent hooker playing reserve grade). Or ask Farah to seek other options. (we know how that turned out last year)

3\. Or they cut ties with Taylor and again another coach who was brought in to look to the future falls into the coaches black hole at the West Tigers. "
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
It's funny how most here treat TTs reports as being right, but from what I can remember he's stated that Farah hasn't been a problem, yet the story of him trying to run the team still persists.

Maybe he wasn't a problem. But then he had to drag it all back up last week. And that is a problem.
 
I really think the whole feud thing is massively overblown. Sure they're both (JT and Farah) kinda dicks, but they obviously get on with the job when at work. If there was a genuine issue between the two, Farah would have left or would be playing NSW Cup.

This whole thing has come about due to both of them talking garbage in the media - Farah with his couple of snide lines in the SMH the other week, and then JT acting unnecessarily coy in the presser on Sunday, post-match.
The gossip merchants in the media (MMM, News Ltd, Weidler) have smelled blood (read: clicks) and have gone to town, perpetuating a story that was never really there in the first place.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Telltails said:
@mike said:
I think it was telling when Freddy asked before the Roosters match what does the team need to do to win in conditions such as these, and you can't say hang onto the ball.

Trent Robinson gave an intelligent and articulate answer. Jason Taylor was totally lost.[/quoquot

Yes - how awkward was that. Felt the same way .

I don't want our coach blurting out our game plan on LIVE TV

Coaches are watching other coaches these days during half time breaks , time outs etc , happened recently in a NBL game when the opposition coaches assistant was watching what the other team's plan for a last second play was on his I Pad

So you blokes would trust Freddy Fittler , an ex Roosters player , captain and coach not to whisper in a Fitzgibbon's ear what our game plan was ??

I sure as shoot wouldn't , should of told Freddy to flick off before he kicked his head in :smiling_imp:

Oh come on Happy. Giving an inteligent and articulate answer to a question isn't giving away game plans. Trent answered the question with class. JT on the other hand was awkward and seemed lost for words.
 
That article above from diedpretty is kinda good, but it has a few key omissions. Doesn't mention the whole saga about Robbie saying that potter can't coach and it also suggests that Farah took a 'pay-cut'. It's been widely discussed that while Benji labelled it as such in an interview, it was a pay deferral, not a cut. BIG difference.
 
Most of this is just the media pushing their own clickbait crap. Nothing has really changed, except the offer from Leeds.

Robbie won't be playing origin next year. If we win (lol), he goes out a winner. If we lose we need to bring in fresh blood and the likes of Farah, Gallen, Hoffman, Scott etc will need to be overlooked for the next generation like Wade Graham.

Gallen may be the only senior figure to keep his spot. Someone like Bird could still hang around another season or two to play the old head.
 
@Tigerdon said:
Don't think Daley will come out in the off season again and say who is in the team and who isn't. I think he did it out of respect for Robbie for his heart and efforts for he Blues in 2014/15\. Don't think he say who or who isnt in he team till May 2017.

I agree, he definitely won't come out and say it.

I was more suggesting some things might be promised behind closed doors. Who knows, Daley might want Farah around next year (for god knows what reason) and he might dangle the carrot to keep him in Aus.

These guys were prepared to pick Burderus at 34
 
@supercoach said:
The sad thing with the Farah vrs Taylor thing is a lot of people have very strong view based on a lot rubbish peddled by two bob football jurnos and social media. For one minute i am not saying there are not issues, but to continue to crucify both parties depending on what camp you sit based on what you are hearing from unreliable sources is crazy. I think we have two very strong willed individuals who have opposite views and refuse to find some common ground, but I do not think they deserve to be continually attacked, especially Farah who given more than most to this club

Yours is one of the better posts on here SC. I don't wish either of them any ill will, or have any malice towards them. I think they're propably doing the best they can, under the circumstances. Personally I don't mind if Robbie stays and sees out his contract. Imo he's still the best hooker we have and his experience is invaluable.
As for JT, he's struggling as a coach. Even with all the support he's been given, he still fails to ignite the team. The connection between coach and players seems to be missing.
If the club sees fit to let him stay until his conract runs out , fair enough, but I don't agree.
He's not the right fit for our club and I don't know who is, but we need to find out.
 
@hammertime said:
That article above from diedpretty is kinda good, but it has a few key omissions. Doesn't mention the whole saga about Robbie saying that potter can't coach and it also suggests that Farah took a 'pay-cut'. It's been widely discussed that while Benji labelled it as such in an interview, it was a pay deferral, not a cut. BIG difference.[/quote
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Tallis said his question to Robbie was " How is Potter doing? Robbie's reply was " He's struggling "
That's a bit different to saying he can't coach. The media ( Matty Johns and co.)made it sound worst then it was.
Potter could coach, but his lack of communication skills is what let him down, and that will be Taylors down fall too.
 
@Tigermama said:
@hammertime said:
That article above from diedpretty is kinda good, but it has a few key omissions. Doesn't mention the whole saga about Robbie saying that potter can't coach and it also suggests that Farah took a 'pay-cut'. It's been widely discussed that while Benji labelled it as such in an interview, it was a pay deferral, not a cut. BIG difference.

Tallis said his question to Robbie was " How is Potter doing? Robbie's reply was " He's struggling "
That's a bit different to saying he can't coach. The media ( Matty Johns and co.)made it sound worst then it was.
Potter could coach, but his lack of communication skills is what let him down, and that will be Tailors down fall too.

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"Robbie Farah told me to my face when I was on Triple M last year on a Saturday show, he told me that Mick Potter can't coach," Tallis said. "I don't go on Chinese whispers, I go on what he told me."
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Ayoub did not deny Farah may have made the comments, saying: "That was correct last year but his opinion has changed. That was 12 months ago."

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/robbie-farah-furious-at-gorden-tallis-over-claims-he-said-mick-potter-cant-coach-20140727-zxfo2.html

What you were saying came from Ayoub after the fact TM. I don't like Gordy, but I'm more inclined to believe him than that weasel.
 

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