Farah/Taylor Thread...

@Nelson said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
If anyone has the link could they post up the interview with Mitchell Moses which was shown on Ch9 post match. it will be interesting to get your take on his body language when answering the question.

I don't remember noticing anything but if the question had something to do with Farah and Taylor and his body language suggested he was annoyed then it was probably because they'd just had a good win and instead of talking about that it came back to the same boring story. The players are entitled to be jack of it.

God.. Talk about Clutching at freekin straws… 30-14 is the only body language you should be concerned about
 
@DonnyBrasco said:
@Swordy said:
Im interested to know how any of this gets to the media.

Yeh, not too hard to guess is it, these "articles" appear almost weekly, and they only ever seem to shine a positive light on certian players, which may also be a factor as to why certain people might not be such big fans of that type of player.

How does any of it in any way shine a positive light on the club, surely those type of players can see how negative it is to the entire organisation and every other player as well.

If it's every man for his selfish self, then fine, but I always thought it was a team sport.

If I was in a team and certain players consistently had certain articles published about how hard done by they were, I would be very very angry.

This is where Farah loses me.
He has an agent who represents HIM, Robbie Farah… Anything Ayoub says, Robbie endorses.... Robbie's pays this bloke... He is Robbie's employee.
Farah can put a stop to this crap from Ayoub b/ Weidler.
He doesn't... So he endorses it.
Sooner Farah is gone the sooner this media crap goes
 
@Harvey said:
@Muffstar said:
So now Woods and Taylor also don't get along ? Throw in Farah and Moses and Brooks only signing a one year extension in contracts, there seems to be one common denominator in all this.

Sure some will say the reporter is a tool, but whatever the problem is either Pascoe or the board needs to sort something out sooner rather than later.

The common denominator is that all of these blokes have come through playing under a captain who thinks he runs the club, has no respect for coaches and likes to play games through the media. There is the other side of the story that Moses and Brooks want out because Farah runs the show and overules their calls on the field.

What rubbish
 
@Harvey said:
@Muffstar said:
So now Woods and Taylor also don't get along ? Throw in Farah and Moses and Brooks only signing a one year extension in contracts, there seems to be one common denominator in all this.

Sure some will say the reporter is a tool, but whatever the problem is either Pascoe or the board needs to sort something out sooner rather than later.

The common denominator is that all of these blokes have come through playing under a captain who thinks he runs the club, has no respect for coaches and likes to play games through the media. There is the other side of the story that Moses and Brooks want out because Farah runs the show and overules their calls on the field.

I love these comments. Where are your facts ? I reckon this sounds exactly like a Telegraph article - i.e. you just made it up.
 
@southerntiger said:
@Swordy said:
Im interested to know how any of this gets to the media.

Whichever side of the fence you sit on, or if youre like me and see positives and negatives on both sides…....who has the most to gain constantly whipping up the media.....?

I suspect i already know the answer....

Yep. Its no surprise they are nearly always biased in favour of one party. It sure aint JT leaking.

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Why dance around it just tell us what you really think?

Of course.

Its all Robbie!!!

All these negative articles are because he is behind the scenes texting and ringing these blokes every day!!

What would Pascoe or Gould know?

They say Its just the media drumming it up to fill the pages but dont let it get in the way of your conspiracys please!!
 
@Harvey said:
@Muffstar said:
So now Woods and Taylor also don't get along ? Throw in Farah and Moses and Brooks only signing a one year extension in contracts, there seems to be one common denominator in all this.

Sure some will say the reporter is a tool, but whatever the problem is either Pascoe or the board needs to sort something out sooner rather than later.

The common denominator is that all of these blokes have come through playing under a captain who thinks he runs the club, has no respect for coaches and likes to play games through the media. There is the other side of the story that Moses and Brooks want out because Farah runs the show and overules their calls on the field.

Gee Woods, Moses and Brooks looked unhappy when Robbie Scored.

But your right the halves want out they dont want to play with Robbie

They all want out thats why they just re signed !!

Logic 101
 
@Eddie said:
@southerntiger said:
@Swordy said:
Im interested to know how any of this gets to the media.

Whichever side of the fence you sit on, or if youre like me and see positives and negatives on both sides…....who has the most to gain constantly whipping up the media.....?

I suspect i already know the answer....

Yep. Its no surprise they are nearly always biased in favour of one party. It sure aint JT leaking.

\
Why dance around it just tell us what you really think?

Of course.

Its all Robbie!!!

All these negative articles are because he is behind the scenes texting and ringing these blokes every day!!

What would Pascoe or Gould know?

They say Its just the media drumming it up to fill the pages but dont let it get in the way of your conspiracys please!!

Eddie, as I said, I don't have a particular interest either way as long as we play good. But I cant see why the club would leak or comment etc.

So from your point of view, clearly as a Farah supporter, why not just tell us why the media would do this and who is 'leaking' from the club and for what purpose. If you don't think it is Farah or his camp, just explain why the club or others who might have an agenda might make comment.

Seriously, if you have a differing opinion to others, I'm open to it it mate.
 
@Eddie said:
@Harvey said:
@Muffstar said:
So now Woods and Taylor also don't get along ? Throw in Farah and Moses and Brooks only signing a one year extension in contracts, there seems to be one common denominator in all this.

Sure some will say the reporter is a tool, but whatever the problem is either Pascoe or the board needs to sort something out sooner rather than later.

The common denominator is that all of these blokes have come through playing under a captain who thinks he runs the club, has no respect for coaches and likes to play games through the media. There is the other side of the story that Moses and Brooks want out because Farah runs the show and overules their calls on the field.

Gee Woods, Moses and Brooks looked unhappy when Robbie Scored.

But your right the halves want out they dont want to play with Robbie

They all want out thats why they just re signed !!

Logic 101

They have not re-signed, they just took up an option to stay for next year on money that is not available elsewhere. The whole drama gets to play out again next year.

My understanding is that there were extended contracts available that none of them chose to take up.
 
@Eddie said:
@southerntiger said:
@Swordy said:
Im interested to know how any of this gets to the media.

Whichever side of the fence you sit on, or if youre like me and see positives and negatives on both sides…....who has the most to gain constantly whipping up the media.....?

I suspect i already know the answer....

Yep. Its no surprise they are nearly always biased in favour of one party. It sure aint JT leaking.

\
Why dance around it just tell us what you really think?

Of course.

Its all Robbie!!!

All these negative articles are because he is behind the scenes texting and ringing these blokes every day!!

What would Pascoe or Gould know?

They say Its just the media drumming it up to fill the pages but dont let it get in the way of your conspiracys please!!

Is it all Robbie? No, but a lot is. Others are just his mates who think they are doing him a favour.

Gould didn't say that. Gould made it very clear Robbie needs to pull his head in. He said "The coach has a right to select the side". Ifs thats not a message, I don't know what is.

I have lost of lot of my respect for Robbie as a person. He was my favourite player for a long time - both in terms of how he performed on the field but also because he always came across as a normal human off the field and not a footy head. Obviously I no longer feel that way but I still have a lot of time for him. I won't trash his memory. He was our best player from 2006 to 2009, by a long way, and carried the team in that lean period.

I suppose you didn't notice that Robbie didn't seek to downplay the issue after the game on Friday. His contempt and hatred of the coach was palpable. Given he brought down your mate Potts in the same manner, Im surprised you think he is above it.
 
@Boonboon2 said:
@matchball said:
As a fan of this club I'm embarrassed.
We have so much leaked s*** to the media it's hard to fathom why anyone else follows this train wreck.
Laurie Nicolls would be turning in his grave.

If by "We" you mean Sam Ayoub and Robbie Farah you would be correct, if you mean the Tigers club you would be incorrect.

As for the article the crap about JT starting it all up again ummm Farah was in the Herald over Origin saying I'll never forget what happened to me poor wo is me

Funny then how many people hang out out for one "insider report, which , if true, has to be THE biggest leak of the clubs history , Most are only too happy to find out the alledged going ss on inside the club.
Double standards perhaps ?
It's only your opinion (accurate or not) that Ayoub has leaked anything
Weidler is completely avccurate in saying that Farah didn't get involved with the media last week. Where's your proof that anyone did.
Why shouldn't give an honest answer to a reporter, he only said he'd never forget, being rested, hardly inflammatory at all, it's all about money , and Taylor is out of his league.
 
@Swordy said:
@Eddie said:
@southerntiger said:
@Swordy said:
Im interested to know how any of this gets to the media.

Whichever side of the fence you sit on, or if youre like me and see positives and negatives on both sides…....who has the most to gain constantly whipping up the media.....?

I suspect i already know the answer....

Yep. Its no surprise they are nearly always biased in favour of one party. It sure aint JT leaking.

\
Why dance around it just tell us what you really think?

Of course.

Its all Robbie!!!

All these negative articles are because he is behind the scenes texting and ringing these blokes every day!!

What would Pascoe or Gould know?

They say Its just the media drumming it up to fill the pages but dont let it get in the way of your conspiracys please!!

Eddie, as I said, I don't have a particular interest either way as long as we play good. But I cant see why the club would leak or comment etc.

So from your point of view, clearly as a Farah supporter, why not just tell us why the media would do this and who is 'leaking' from the club and for what purpose. If you don't think it is Farah or his camp, just explain why the club or others who might have an agenda might make comment.

Seriously, if you have a differing opinion to others, I'm open to it it mate.

What has been "leaked" here??

Woods might not get on with Taylor. A pathetic article really based on no real facts.

However if you want to talk about "leaks"…...

Who" leaks" the articles that Robbie and Benji had a feud??

Or that Robbie hated Potter and wanted him out?

Robbie has had plenty of bad press. And when he does its all matter of fact with some fans. It is not a "leak" but a fact the article is true and Farah is torn to shreds. But the articles that spin a positive light on Farah are "leaks"

You cant have it both ways.

Like someone said 30-14 was a good answer on Friday night.
 
@old man tiger said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l…#ixzz4BJKMK5FV

It appears Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor has ramped up his efforts to get Robbie Farah out of the club. And here is another project for Taylor: he needs to keep in sweet with captain Aaron Woods.

We understand the brilliance of James Tedesco, Mitchell Moses and Luke Brooks, but Woods is the player Taylor needs to build a club around.

This column hinted at tension between the skipper and coach recently – more specifically the way it was communicated to Woods that he would be making his comeback from the bench. Taylor has confirmed publicly that Woods wasn't happy at being benched. We were set to bring you the news that Woods and Taylor don't get along – something we have heard several times now – but that has been played down.

Woods is as affable and easygoing a character as you could meet, and he has told this column there are no problems between him and the coach. Woods has always been honest with this column, so we will take him on his word.

Taylor needs Woods on his side.

Taylor would think he is on track to succeed in pushing Farah out. But take it as fact Farah is not flustered. He is not biting back. He will play reserve grade if it comes to that. Farah has kept his views to himself on Taylor's latest attempt to pressure and embarrass him.

As for 2017, Farah has no plans to leave. And would only do so if he has a viable option, as he had with the Roosters last year. He will go if he can be coached by someone who appreciates him. He wants to play in a team that has the potential to win a title. He does not want to go to England, even though there is already strong interest.

Farah has had to sit back and watch his name be dragged through the mud again. It comes back to the media conference Taylor conducted after the loss to the Roosters last Sunday.

Taylor made the "war" public between the pair when he wouldn't confirm Farah was in the side. All week leading into the game with Souths on Friday there was one focus from the media: Farah. Not on any of the players who lost to the Roosters. That's the Roosters minus Mitchell Pearce. And Boyd Cordner.

We should have been asking questions about Taylor's tactics, recruitment and relationship with his assistants and other leading players. Instead it was Farah who had to sneak out of training on Tuesday because there were three camera crews waiting for him. The last thing Farah wanted to do was explain why Taylor didn't assure him of his spot for the game against Souths. How would he know?

And then Taylor held another media conference on Thursday. There were a dozen questions from TV reporters. They all focused in Taylor v Farah and there was barely a positive word from Taylor.

Farah has just kept his head down. He has done what he has been asked.

His agent, Sam Ayoub, is frustrated by the speculation and says he is sick of the agendas.

"This isn't a Robbie Farah issue," Ayoub said. "He has a binding contract. That is acknowledged by all and sundry at the Tigers. He can't be forced out, irrespective of the agendas, let alone be forced out of the country to play anywhere else, be it in Australia or overseas. That is a choice for Robbie, not anyone else.

"My interest is in Robbie. Robbie hasn't driven this, nor has he asked for any of this to be played out the way it has. He has said nothing, he has copped it, maintained his silence, but mostly he has maintained his dignity, something others should adopt.

"He has been focused and committed to the Wests Tigers and he showed again on Friday night what a class person and player he is."
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...#ixzz4BJKMK5FV

Currently I'm happier with robbie's form and jt's coaching than I thought I would be. I'm happy for robbie to be recognized as he was on Friday night with a chant. I also think we should refrain from booing our coach.

Then I find on a fan forum that all some supporters want to do is focus on disharmony and disunity to satisfy their own agenda, whatever that might be.

This article looks like Pawsandclaws and a few of his mates got together to write a school project. It is a piece of creative writing, published so that weeder and ayoub can stay firmly attached by using each other to prolong and extend their careers and influence.

Quoting ayoub has less credibility than quoting the tooth fairy. Just another jt hate piece. If people would just stop offering their inflammatory opinions maybe there would be a lot less noise to get this excited about. Nothing sadder for us as a club that our modest improvement recently gets lost because people are so idiotic.

And pnc, i saw the Moses interview on the footy show. Looked like he is as sick of it as most of us are.

Agenda must be the most overused word on this forum. The forum is a two way sounding board and the article was printed in the SMH. If you don't like what is written in the paper, don't read it. If you don't like what is on the forum, don't come on here or read another thread. I note "Then I find on a fan forum" yet you have posted on this forum over 100 times. And "jt hate piece" for someone with a username old man tiger. :unamused:
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
@old man tiger said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l…#ixzz4BJKMK5FV

It appears Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor has ramped up his efforts to get Robbie Farah out of the club. And here is another project for Taylor: he needs to keep in sweet with captain Aaron Woods.

We understand the brilliance of James Tedesco, Mitchell Moses and Luke Brooks, but Woods is the player Taylor needs to build a club around.

This column hinted at tension between the skipper and coach recently – more specifically the way it was communicated to Woods that he would be making his comeback from the bench. Taylor has confirmed publicly that Woods wasn't happy at being benched. We were set to bring you the news that Woods and Taylor don't get along – something we have heard several times now – but that has been played down.

Woods is as affable and easygoing a character as you could meet, and he has told this column there are no problems between him and the coach. Woods has always been honest with this column, so we will take him on his word.

Taylor needs Woods on his side.

Taylor would think he is on track to succeed in pushing Farah out. But take it as fact Farah is not flustered. He is not biting back. He will play reserve grade if it comes to that. Farah has kept his views to himself on Taylor's latest attempt to pressure and embarrass him.

As for 2017, Farah has no plans to leave. And would only do so if he has a viable option, as he had with the Roosters last year. He will go if he can be coached by someone who appreciates him. He wants to play in a team that has the potential to win a title. He does not want to go to England, even though there is already strong interest.

Farah has had to sit back and watch his name be dragged through the mud again. It comes back to the media conference Taylor conducted after the loss to the Roosters last Sunday.

Taylor made the "war" public between the pair when he wouldn't confirm Farah was in the side. All week leading into the game with Souths on Friday there was one focus from the media: Farah. Not on any of the players who lost to the Roosters. That's the Roosters minus Mitchell Pearce. And Boyd Cordner.

We should have been asking questions about Taylor's tactics, recruitment and relationship with his assistants and other leading players. Instead it was Farah who had to sneak out of training on Tuesday because there were three camera crews waiting for him. The last thing Farah wanted to do was explain why Taylor didn't assure him of his spot for the game against Souths. How would he know?

And then Taylor held another media conference on Thursday. There were a dozen questions from TV reporters. They all focused in Taylor v Farah and there was barely a positive word from Taylor.

Farah has just kept his head down. He has done what he has been asked.

His agent, Sam Ayoub, is frustrated by the speculation and says he is sick of the agendas.

"This isn't a Robbie Farah issue," Ayoub said. "He has a binding contract. That is acknowledged by all and sundry at the Tigers. He can't be forced out, irrespective of the agendas, let alone be forced out of the country to play anywhere else, be it in Australia or overseas. That is a choice for Robbie, not anyone else.

"My interest is in Robbie. Robbie hasn't driven this, nor has he asked for any of this to be played out the way it has. He has said nothing, he has copped it, maintained his silence, but mostly he has maintained his dignity, something others should adopt.

"He has been focused and committed to the Wests Tigers and he showed again on Friday night what a class person and player he is."
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...#ixzz4BJKMK5FV

Currently I'm happier with robbie's form and jt's coaching than I thought I would be. I'm happy for robbie to be recognized as he was on Friday night with a chant. I also think we should refrain from booing our coach.

Then I find on a fan forum that all some supporters want to do is focus on disharmony and disunity to satisfy their own agenda, whatever that might be.

This article looks like Pawsandclaws and a few of his mates got together to write a school project. It is a piece of creative writing, published so that weeder and ayoub can stay firmly attached by using each other to prolong and extend their careers and influence.

Quoting ayoub has less credibility than quoting the tooth fairy. Just another jt hate piece. If people would just stop offering their inflammatory opinions maybe there would be a lot less noise to get this excited about. Nothing sadder for us as a club that our modest improvement recently gets lost because people are so idiotic.

And pnc, i saw the Moses interview on the footy show. Looked like he is as sick of it as most of us are.

Agenda must be the most overused word on this forum. The forum is a two way sounding board and the article was printed in the SMH. If you don't like what is written in the paper, don't read it. If you don't like what is on the forum, don't come on here or read another thread. I note "Then I find on a fan forum" yet you have posted on this forum over 100 times. And "jt hate piece" for someone with a username old man tiger. :unamused:

Apologies for being slow. Could you explain the relevance of my username?
 
@madunit said:
@Harvey said:
@Muffstar said:
So now Woods and Taylor also don't get along ? Throw in Farah and Moses and Brooks only signing a one year extension in contracts, there seems to be one common denominator in all this.

Sure some will say the reporter is a tool, but whatever the problem is either Pascoe or the board needs to sort something out sooner rather than later.

The common denominator is that all of these blokes have come through playing under a captain who thinks he runs the club, has no respect for coaches and likes to play games through the media. There is the other side of the story that Moses and Brooks want out because Farah runs the show and overules their calls on the field.

What rubbish

X2\. What rubbish indid. :unamused:
 
@old man tiger said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
@old man tiger said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l…#ixzz4BJKMK5FV

It appears Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor has ramped up his efforts to get Robbie Farah out of the club. And here is another project for Taylor: he needs to keep in sweet with captain Aaron Woods.

We understand the brilliance of James Tedesco, Mitchell Moses and Luke Brooks, but Woods is the player Taylor needs to build a club around.

This column hinted at tension between the skipper and coach recently – more specifically the way it was communicated to Woods that he would be making his comeback from the bench. Taylor has confirmed publicly that Woods wasn't happy at being benched. We were set to bring you the news that Woods and Taylor don't get along – something we have heard several times now – but that has been played down.

Woods is as affable and easygoing a character as you could meet, and he has told this column there are no problems between him and the coach. Woods has always been honest with this column, so we will take him on his word.

Taylor needs Woods on his side.

Taylor would think he is on track to succeed in pushing Farah out. But take it as fact Farah is not flustered. He is not biting back. He will play reserve grade if it comes to that. Farah has kept his views to himself on Taylor's latest attempt to pressure and embarrass him.

As for 2017, Farah has no plans to leave. And would only do so if he has a viable option, as he had with the Roosters last year. He will go if he can be coached by someone who appreciates him. He wants to play in a team that has the potential to win a title. He does not want to go to England, even though there is already strong interest.

Farah has had to sit back and watch his name be dragged through the mud again. It comes back to the media conference Taylor conducted after the loss to the Roosters last Sunday.

Taylor made the "war" public between the pair when he wouldn't confirm Farah was in the side. All week leading into the game with Souths on Friday there was one focus from the media: Farah. Not on any of the players who lost to the Roosters. That's the Roosters minus Mitchell Pearce. And Boyd Cordner.

We should have been asking questions about Taylor's tactics, recruitment and relationship with his assistants and other leading players. Instead it was Farah who had to sneak out of training on Tuesday because there were three camera crews waiting for him. The last thing Farah wanted to do was explain why Taylor didn't assure him of his spot for the game against Souths. How would he know?

And then Taylor held another media conference on Thursday. There were a dozen questions from TV reporters. They all focused in Taylor v Farah and there was barely a positive word from Taylor.

Farah has just kept his head down. He has done what he has been asked.

His agent, Sam Ayoub, is frustrated by the speculation and says he is sick of the agendas.

"This isn't a Robbie Farah issue," Ayoub said. "He has a binding contract. That is acknowledged by all and sundry at the Tigers. He can't be forced out, irrespective of the agendas, let alone be forced out of the country to play anywhere else, be it in Australia or overseas. That is a choice for Robbie, not anyone else.

"My interest is in Robbie. Robbie hasn't driven this, nor has he asked for any of this to be played out the way it has. He has said nothing, he has copped it, maintained his silence, but mostly he has maintained his dignity, something others should adopt.

"He has been focused and committed to the Wests Tigers and he showed again on Friday night what a class person and player he is."
\
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...#ixzz4BJKMK5FV

Currently I'm happier with robbie's form and jt's coaching than I thought I would be. I'm happy for robbie to be recognized as he was on Friday night with a chant. I also think we should refrain from booing our coach.

Then I find on a fan forum that all some supporters want to do is focus on disharmony and disunity to satisfy their own agenda, whatever that might be.

This article looks like Pawsandclaws and a few of his mates got together to write a school project. It is a piece of creative writing, published so that weeder and ayoub can stay firmly attached by using each other to prolong and extend their careers and influence.

Quoting ayoub has less credibility than quoting the tooth fairy. Just another jt hate piece. If people would just stop offering their inflammatory opinions maybe there would be a lot less noise to get this excited about. Nothing sadder for us as a club that our modest improvement recently gets lost because people are so idiotic.

And pnc, i saw the Moses interview on the footy show. Looked like he is as sick of it as most of us are.

Agenda must be the most overused word on this forum. The forum is a two way sounding board and the article was printed in the SMH. If you don't like what is written in the paper, don't read it. If you don't like what is on the forum, don't come on here or read another thread. I note "Then I find on a fan forum" yet you have posted on this forum over 100 times. And "jt hate piece" for someone with a username old man tiger. :unamused:

Apologies for being slow. Could you explain the relevance of my username?

I'm surprised you're still frequenting this forum. I'd thought you'd be off seeking harmony and unity.
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
@old man tiger said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
@old man tiger said:
Currently I'm happier with robbie's form and jt's coaching than I thought I would be. I'm happy for robbie to be recognized as he was on Friday night with a chant. I also think we should refrain from booing our coach.

Then I find on a fan forum that all some supporters want to do is focus on disharmony and disunity to satisfy their own agenda, whatever that might be.

This article looks like Pawsandclaws and a few of his mates got together to write a school project. It is a piece of creative writing, published so that weeder and ayoub can stay firmly attached by using each other to prolong and extend their careers and influence.

Quoting ayoub has less credibility than quoting the tooth fairy. Just another jt hate piece. If people would just stop offering their inflammatory opinions maybe there would be a lot less noise to get this excited about. Nothing sadder for us as a club that our modest improvement recently gets lost because people are so idiotic.

And pnc, i saw the Moses interview on the footy show. Looked like he is as sick of it as most of us are.

Agenda must be the most overused word on this forum. The forum is a two way sounding board and the article was printed in the SMH. If you don't like what is written in the paper, don't read it. If you don't like what is on the forum, don't come on here or read another thread. I note "Then I find on a fan forum" yet you have posted on this forum over 100 times. And "jt hate piece" for someone with a username old man tiger. :unamused:

Apologies for being slow. Could you explain the relevance of my username?

I'm surprised you're still frequenting this forum. I'd thought you'd be off seeking harmony and unity.

Oh. Ok then.

Anyway…mate it just gets tiresome when ppl hold such stubborn views on a fluid situation. I don't want to hammer Robbie, or JT. However sometimes your neverending defence of RF and attack of JT forces those of us who are less opinionated to speak up, for the sake of commonse and balance.
 

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