Farah

He's what 35? Not really surprising he's patchy especially come mid-season. Personally I think he's been pretty good value overall but people will create their own narrative to suit their agenda.
 
@Yossarian said in [Farah](/post/1037296) said:
He's what 35? Not really surprising he's patchy especially come mid-season. Personally I think he's been pretty good value overall but people will create their own narrative to suit their agenda.


Farah said when he came back he would sit out some weeks and that he would not interfere with the development of the younger players.

Yet he plays every week, dominates the ball and the team.

There is no 'agenda' mate and that is too easy a claim to hide behind.

There is 'reality' and that is we are somehow allowing a washed up 35 yo to dominate the team.

His best years were well over half a decade ago. I like him, he is a real Tiger. But reality is reality. A team with Farah, and also Benji, dominating simply won't make the finals.

They have not led us to a finals appearance in almost a decade. Anywhere else that is called failure, but for us we ask for 'one more year' of it repeatedly.

We need a cultural change mate. That simple.
 
@ElleryHanley said in [Farah](/post/1037301) said:
@Yossarian said in [Farah](/post/1037296) said:
He's what 35? Not really surprising he's patchy especially come mid-season. Personally I think he's been pretty good value overall but people will create their own narrative to suit their agenda.


Farah said when he came back he would sit out some weeks and that he would not interfere with the development of the younger players.

Yet he plays every week, dominates the ball and the team.

There is no 'agenda' mate and that is too easy a claim to hide behind.

There is 'reality' and that is we are somehow allowing a washed up 35 yo to dominate the team.

His best years were well over half a decade ago. I like him, he is a real Tiger. But reality is reality. A team with Farah, and also Benji, dominating simply won't make the finals.

They have not led us to a finals appearance in almost a decade. Anywhere else that is called failure, but for us we ask for 'one more year' of it repeatedly.

We need a cultural change mate. That simple.

Right so he overrules Madge every week to be picked? It's fine to say he shouldn't be getting selected but this continual blame shifting is frankly ridiculous. The "agenda" is the tendency for his detractors to blame Farah for getting picked. He's playing the same game he's played since 2003. It's what he does, It's what won him a premiership and rep jumpers.

To be clear I'm not saying he should play next year or even the amount of games he has this year. I myself have expressed my concern and over reliance on mid-30s players. The point is, blaming Farah for all this is not really fair.
 
@Yossarian said in [Farah](/post/1037321) said:
@ElleryHanley said in [Farah](/post/1037301) said:
@Yossarian said in [Farah](/post/1037296) said:
He's what 35? Not really surprising he's patchy especially come mid-season. Personally I think he's been pretty good value overall but people will create their own narrative to suit their agenda.


Farah said when he came back he would sit out some weeks and that he would not interfere with the development of the younger players.

Yet he plays every week, dominates the ball and the team.

There is no 'agenda' mate and that is too easy a claim to hide behind.

There is 'reality' and that is we are somehow allowing a washed up 35 yo to dominate the team.

His best years were well over half a decade ago. I like him, he is a real Tiger. But reality is reality. A team with Farah, and also Benji, dominating simply won't make the finals.

They have not led us to a finals appearance in almost a decade. Anywhere else that is called failure, but for us we ask for 'one more year' of it repeatedly.

We need a cultural change mate. That simple.

Right so he overrules Madge every week to be picked? It's fine to say he shouldn't be getting selected but this continual blame shifting is frankly ridiculous. The "agenda" is the tendency for his detractors to blame Farah for getting picked. He's playing the same game he's played since 2003. It's what he does, It's what won him a premiership and rep jumpers.

To be clear I'm not saying he should play next year or even the amount of games he has this year. I myself have expressed my concern and over reliance on mid-30s players. The point is, blaming Farah for all this is not really fair.


Okay, that is fair enough.

And, yes, it is the responsibility of the coach to fix it.
But we all saw how that ended last time a coach tried to limit his role. At some point Robbie needs to step back and limit his own role. What happened to mentoring Liddle? Pushing him out of the road to get to dummy half is not mentoring.

Only times Brooks has got good, clean, fast ball all season have been from Liddle.
 
@cktiger said in [Farah](/post/1037201) said:
@Harvey said in [Farah](/post/1037189) said:
Liddle spent most of his time on the field standing around. When he went to dummy half, Farah shoved him aside, but then all of a sudden we had centres at dummy half because Robbie decided he was playing 5/8 that play (or could not get across the field). That was one of the most selfish performances I have ever seen.

Admittedly there were some good long kicks, but this is again Robbie deciding when he will kick rather than allowing the halves to kick.

**Brooks will never have an opportunity to control a game as long as Robbie is dummy half.** Liddle should have been playing 40-50 minutes for the last month with Robbie playing the 1st and last 15-20 of a game.

He had plenty of time when Farah wasn't here to prove his worth.... can't recall him controlling too many games then.
He hasn't got it in him... better to move him to 5/8 and get a real half.


I think this is the only option, people take my stand against Benji playing next year is my excuse for Brooks not stepping up.
It is part of the problem but Brooks owns his form.
But Madden At 7 and Brooks at 6 might work, we should give it a try this season, Benji and Robbie are not leading us to finals footy so give it a go
 
@ElleryHanley said in [Farah](/post/1037333) said:
@Yossarian said in [Farah](/post/1037321) said:
@ElleryHanley said in [Farah](/post/1037301) said:
@Yossarian said in [Farah](/post/1037296) said:
He's what 35? Not really surprising he's patchy especially come mid-season. Personally I think he's been pretty good value overall but people will create their own narrative to suit their agenda.


Farah said when he came back he would sit out some weeks and that he would not interfere with the development of the younger players.

Yet he plays every week, dominates the ball and the team.

There is no 'agenda' mate and that is too easy a claim to hide behind.

There is 'reality' and that is we are somehow allowing a washed up 35 yo to dominate the team.

His best years were well over half a decade ago. I like him, he is a real Tiger. But reality is reality. A team with Farah, and also Benji, dominating simply won't make the finals.

They have not led us to a finals appearance in almost a decade. Anywhere else that is called failure, but for us we ask for 'one more year' of it repeatedly.

We need a cultural change mate. That simple.

Right so he overrules Madge every week to be picked? It's fine to say he shouldn't be getting selected but this continual blame shifting is frankly ridiculous. The "agenda" is the tendency for his detractors to blame Farah for getting picked. He's playing the same game he's played since 2003. It's what he does, It's what won him a premiership and rep jumpers.

To be clear I'm not saying he should play next year or even the amount of games he has this year. I myself have expressed my concern and over reliance on mid-30s players. The point is, blaming Farah for all this is not really fair.


Okay, that is fair enough.

And, yes, it is the responsibility of the coach to fix it.
But we all saw how that ended last time a coach tried to limit his role. At some point Robbie needs to step back and limit his own role. What happened to mentoring Liddle? Pushing him out of the road to get to dummy half is not mentoring.

Only times Brooks has got good, clean, fast ball all season have been from Liddle.


Well... that’s just rubbish.
Last time a coach limited his role he left.
As for pushing Liddle out of the road... are you aware of the coaches instructions or how he wanted them to play?
And all the fast , clean balls Liddle throws mean nothing if they hit the ground.
I like Liddle and it has been mentioned plenty of times how Farah is mentoring him.... his time isn’t far off.
 
@cktiger What was the ratio of Liddles passes hitting the ground vs Farah's passes being over the head of the receiver?
 
@cktiger said in [Farah](/post/1037360) said:
@ElleryHanley said in [Farah](/post/1037333) said:
@Yossarian said in [Farah](/post/1037321) said:
@ElleryHanley said in [Farah](/post/1037301) said:
@Yossarian said in [Farah](/post/1037296) said:
He's what 35? Not really surprising he's patchy especially come mid-season. Personally I think he's been pretty good value overall but people will create their own narrative to suit their agenda.


Farah said when he came back he would sit out some weeks and that he would not interfere with the development of the younger players.

Yet he plays every week, dominates the ball and the team.

There is no 'agenda' mate and that is too easy a claim to hide behind.

There is 'reality' and that is we are somehow allowing a washed up 35 yo to dominate the team.

His best years were well over half a decade ago. I like him, he is a real Tiger. But reality is reality. A team with Farah, and also Benji, dominating simply won't make the finals.

They have not led us to a finals appearance in almost a decade. Anywhere else that is called failure, but for us we ask for 'one more year' of it repeatedly.

We need a cultural change mate. That simple.

Right so he overrules Madge every week to be picked? It's fine to say he shouldn't be getting selected but this continual blame shifting is frankly ridiculous. The "agenda" is the tendency for his detractors to blame Farah for getting picked. He's playing the same game he's played since 2003. It's what he does, It's what won him a premiership and rep jumpers.

To be clear I'm not saying he should play next year or even the amount of games he has this year. I myself have expressed my concern and over reliance on mid-30s players. The point is, blaming Farah for all this is not really fair.


Okay, that is fair enough.

And, yes, it is the responsibility of the coach to fix it.
But we all saw how that ended last time a coach tried to limit his role. At some point Robbie needs to step back and limit his own role. What happened to mentoring Liddle? Pushing him out of the road to get to dummy half is not mentoring.

Only times Brooks has got good, clean, fast ball all season have been from Liddle.


Well... that’s just rubbish.
Last time a coach limited his role he left.
As for pushing Liddle out of the road... are you aware of the coaches instructions or how he wanted them to play?
And all the fast , clean balls Liddle throws mean nothing if they hit the ground.
I like Liddle and it has been mentioned plenty of times how Farah is mentoring him.... his time isn’t far off.

I highly doubt the coach's plan was 'both of you wander up to dummy half repeatedly.... older one push younger one out of the play'.....
 
@Harvey said in [Farah](/post/1037371) said:
@cktiger What was the ratio of Liddles passes hitting the ground vs Farah's passes being over the head of the receiver?

On the season it is about Liddle 3 bad passes, Robbie about 50 too high, 200 too slow'.
 
@ElleryHanley said in [Farah](/post/1037376) said:
@Harvey said in [Farah](/post/1037371) said:
@cktiger What was the ratio of Liddles passes hitting the ground vs Farah's passes being over the head of the receiver?

On the season it is about Liddle 3 bad passes, Robbie about 50 too high, 200 too slow'.

I suppose that’s why Liddle is playing second fiddle then?
 
@cktiger said in [Farah](/post/1037408) said:
@ElleryHanley said in [Farah](/post/1037376) said:
@Harvey said in [Farah](/post/1037371) said:
@cktiger What was the ratio of Liddles passes hitting the ground vs Farah's passes being over the head of the receiver?

On the season it is about Liddle 3 bad passes, Robbie about 50 too high, 200 too slow'.

I suppose that’s why Liddle is playing second fiddle then?

It is the coaches decision to play Liddle 2nd fiddle, one that a lot of people are struggling to understand.
 
@ElleryHanley Did we make finals when Farah and Marshall where not at the club .Or is it the same old story with some people on this forum always looking to blame this two for all the woes of this club
 
@Goanna57 I don't think they are solely to blame. I think the whole squad needs re-working, they are all not good enough. With all respect, Benji and Robbie, at this point in their careers, also.
 
@TigerTiger That’s a fair comment and I agree although Marshall at the right price may be a good back up but not number one
 
This week u can't blame a single person for our loss... as i have said in previous weeks, and i will say again, there is no I in TEAM so if u r going to blame anyone BLAME the entire flippin squad
 
@The_Patriot it is very funny, round 1 and 2 Farah was a born again tiger rejuvenated playing like 10 years ago. man of the match in both games i think. maybe he felt his done his part lol thats enough, but footy is about form you keep picking slow running players and slow reacting players and out of form players, ofcause 1/ the players have nothing to play for they played crap last week and still get picked in first grade this week 2/ you simply do not win games like that and knowing your team mates is not in it for you 100% like the 05 tigers smallest pack best team backing team mates every play
 
@TheDaBoss
Absolutely whole squadi would leave 4 deserving in for there repeated efforts, but 4 against 17 every week is impossible in professional football. its exactly like my workplace... if everyone gave even just 70% we would going a heck of alot better and it is just more easier for every team mate/workmate involved. but no its always the case is the few whom repeatedly have to work at 140% for all the slackers in order to get the job done
 
@TheDaBoss there is no I in Team but there is an I in Robbie and thats how he sees it, i feels hes controlling too much overplaying his hand, still hasnt retired i thankyou Robbie for your services you have been a passionate servant of this club for many years but its all looking terrible now, like all them players who play on too long. just with your presence you are shutting down the abilities talents of the likes of luke brooks and jacob liddle this game is much more faster now then 10 years ago
 
@CTigersWinComp said in [Farah](/post/1037537) said:
@The_Patriot it is very funny, round 1 and 2 Farah was a born again tiger rejuvenated playing like 10 years ago. man of the match in both games i think. maybe he felt his done his part lol thats enough, but footy is about form you keep picking slow running players and slow reacting players and out of form players, ofcause 1/ the players have nothing to play for they played crap last week and still get picked in first grade this week 2/ you simply do not win games like that and knowing your team mates is not in it for you 100% like the 05 tigers smallest pack best team backing team mates every play

I stopped reading after you implied he played two good game and thought he had done enough. You may dislike the guy, youre choice but that is not the person he is. He has never given up on anything in his life
 
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