Folau could be welcomed back - Sky News

[Cultured_Bogan]

I see poor Izzy had to start a go fund me page to cover his legal costs in taking the ARU to court...

I dunno maybe sell a house or something..

If you can find enough idiots who’ll contribute, why not.

That's how millionaires stay millionaires. They use other people's money. See Clive Palmer and the QLD Nickel bailout.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I see poor Izzy had to start a go fund me page to cover his legal costs in taking the ARU to court...

I dunno maybe sell a house or something..

If you can find enough idiots who’ll contribute, why not.

That's how millionaires stay millionaires. They use other people's money. See Clive Palmer and the QLD Nickel bailout.

I could make a joke and say that explains the level of intelligence of people that share Izzy’s opinion....But i’d never do that ?

 

[TheDaBoss]

He is more than welcome to voice his views, but this money thing is taking ot a step to far

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He is more than welcome to voice his views, but this money thing is taking ot a step to far

He has no obligation to put the money towards his legal fees.

 

[TheDaBoss]

He is more than welcome to voice his views, but this money thing is taking ot a step to far

He has no obligation to put the money towards his legal fees.

Straight into his back pocket

 

[Nelson]

What sometimes confuses me when people argue against religious beliefs is this

Whether you believe in God or not isn't or shouldn't be the argument

Virtually every religion talks about making our world a better place , about what you can do to help your fellow man , showing compassion for others

Why is that forgotten about ...why do we focus on the words from 4000 years ago that were made by people who if they lived now would have an entirely different view

Anyway put it this way ...for many of us the WT's is a religion .....imagine what many would think of us

Often people aren't actually arguing against religious beliefs or coming from the viewpoint that belief is a bad thing, they are arguing against the manipulation of religious beliefs by individuals and institutions. Faith can drive people to live selfless, giving lives and have incredibly positive impacts on the world. It can drive them to do plenty of good. It can also be manipulated and used as a weapon in the pursuit of money, power or influence by others. Organised religion with it's hierarchies and political agendas is often what turns people off...also this kind of thing that Folau is up to.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Rugby Australia is likely in breach of the law (an employee cannot be sacked for religious expression (The Fair Work Act)).
e.q. how about sacking Khawaja because he refused to play in XXXX shirt, or Hapoate when he refused to play on Sat ??
I expect that the court will find that the law cannot be breached because of a contract or Code of Conduct.

 

[TillLindemann]

@Cultured_Bogan

Love your signature!

 

[Tim Sheens]

He’s using the old “we’re under attack” narrative to bilk religious folk out of their money. Low human…

At the risk of upsetting some, I feel the whole basis of these group's existence is built on taking expected monies from their indoctrinated.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I can’t believe that a guy that has a $7million property portfolio and has just sold his $500K Lamborghini, has the hide to ask people to help fund his appeal against RA.
He was the one that went against the terms of his employment contract, and blew $4million dollars.
He needs to get down from the pulpit and go and see have some of the under privileged people live say to day, without a $7 million property portfolio.

The modern collection plate.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

I dont agree with his views but i do agree he should be able to express them, however his go fund me has taken things to a whole new level. I think its a disgrace that he would even have the hide to ask.

 

[happy_tiger]

I dont agree with his views but i do agree he should be able to express them, however his go fund me has taken things to a whole new level. I think its a disgrace that he would even have the hide to ask.

Yeah true

You'd wonder how his Lord views that ......

Bono once said "the God I believe in isn't short of cash mister "

 

[jirskyr]

Rugby Australia is likely in breach of the law (an employee cannot be sacked for religious expression (The Fair Work Act)).
e.q. how about sacking Khawaja because he refused to play in XXXX shirt, or Hapoate when he refused to play on Sat ??
I expect that the court will find that the law cannot be breached because of a contract or Code of Conduct.

I expect that you are wrong. Folau is not breaking the law but there will be terms within his contract regarding his employment by, and therefore representation of, Rugby Australia. I can also guarantee you that Rugby Australia's lawyers have already assessed the terms of the law before they sacked Folau. Not to say there isn't a case against Rugby Australia, but it would not be possible that they've sacked Folau without doing their due diligence first.

From the Fair Work Act (2009):
>(2) A term of a modern award does not discriminate against an employee: (a) if the reason for the discrimination is the inherent requirements of the particular position held by the employee;

So immediately here is a clause where you are not discriminating against someone if there is a required discrimination inherent to the position. For example hiring Catholic teachers to Catholic schools, French speakers to be French translators etc. RA can argue that players, as representatives of RA, need to behave publicly within a set code.

Same thing applies to any footballers fined or sacked when they've done something that isn't actually illegal, e.g. get drunk, vomit in public, hang around with "ne'er-do-wells".

So many people seem to miss the point that Folau wasn't sacked because he was religious or expressing himself, he was sacked because he expressed a discriminatory opinion that was contrary to a code of conduct. It doesn't matter that it is a religion-based opinion, because all opinions are legal. Similarly, it is not against the law to hate black people, but you can be sacked from your job for expressing hatred towards black people.

Not wearing a XXXX shirt is your own decision about yourself. It is not an attack on anyone.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@Cultured_Bogan

Love your signature!

I wouldn't expect any less from a user with your handle haha.

 

[Harvey]

Rugby Australia is likely in breach of the law (an employee cannot be sacked for religious expression (The Fair Work Act)).
e.q. how about sacking Khawaja because he refused to play in XXXX shirt, or Hapoate when he refused to play on Sat ??
I expect that the court will find that the law cannot be breached because of a contract or Code of Conduct.

Which of those beliefs demeaned or attacked another human being?

 

[diedpretty]

Rugby Australia is likely in breach of the law (an employee cannot be sacked for religious expression (The Fair Work Act)).
e.q. how about sacking Khawaja because he refused to play in XXXX shirt, or Hapoate when he refused to play on Sat ??
I expect that the court will find that the law cannot be breached because of a contract or Code of Conduct.

I think RA might suggest it was hate speech not religious expression. Also your other examples are ridiculous - who did they offend - Castlemaine brewery and ???? i'm not sure who he offended by not playing on Saturday. This greedy moron went out of his way to attack certain sections of society and tried to use his religious beliefs as a grounds to do so, Stuff him - he'll have to answer to his own personal jesus.

 

[Mccarry]

I found some alternate reporting / commentary on the Folau situation. I found it helpful. I note it is the opposite message run by our media elite.
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“Israel Folau has today been accused of greed, playing the victim, and being in a conflict of his own making.

All three accusations are false.

(1) There is no "greed"

The money is being deposited straight into a trust account. It cannot be used for anything other than defraying his legal expenses.

Leftover funds will be distributed - likely to a philanthropic cause consistent with the intent of the orginal donors.

If he was in this for money, he would have taken the millions of $ he was offered to simply delete the post.

Regarding his accumulated assets, he may have to live off those for a long time.

(2) Izzy did not manufacture this situation on purpose.

There was never a contractual or verbal agreement around social media use, despite claims in the media.

The clause of the Code of Conduct invoked against him was the nebulous notion of "bringing the game into disrepute."

His social media content was consistent for some time. Christian, scriptural, themes of repentance etc. The post was business as usual (except the word "homosexual").

(3) Highlighting the injustice of the case, and its importance to basic freedoms, is not playing the victim.

It is unjust, and it threatens to set a precedent which could bring about the same injustice upon many employees, professionals, and others in the Australian community.

He did no wrong, but he is being punished as a wrongdoer.

That's not "playing the victim" - it's just explaining the situation as it is.”
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It’s makes you think... surely if it was about the money he would of just deleted the post... seems quite obvious, and yet the press didn’t mention it once, nor find a single person to quote arguing the case for him. So much for balanced reporting.

 

[Tigerdave]

Great player, but an idiot, he's been told not to do what he did, but he did it anyway........would anyone want that sort of mindset at their club? Not sure the drama would be worth it.

 

[hsvjones]

@Tigerdave No way i would take him now... He would be a PR disaster with what he is doing now. I would be very surprised if he play any sport again as a professional.

 

[innsaneink]

Greatest conman of all time... Several million in donations in a few days with a disclaimer stating he can use it all how he wants