Four Nations

[Tiger_Watto]

Here is the interesting question I have then

Seeing that the RLPA are involved in helping set up the fees for SOO ,Tests etc , why do you think that they get paid 30 K for SOO and only 20 k for Tests …..

Yep the players love the National jersey ......., its just not worth that much , that's all :unamused: :laughing:

While the RLPA exercise some form of extortion over the ARLC, the main determining factor is TV Rights Money… SOO & Tests Matches are structured individually within the process and accrue different values.

 

[Geo]

My point if the NRL wanted to make a true statement to Numbnuts Fifita that would of made a real point they would of made him stand down from the GF

Not some two bit comp that players only give two tosses about because they get $20 k a game

There the problem lies with numbnuts (insert Queensland supporters) like you..who see Origin as the pinnacle of Rugby League…

Representing your Country is the highest honour you can achieve...thankfully Mal and Cammy see it as far from a Micky Mouse tournament giving the Australian jumper the respect it deserves...

Not all of us Geo. I rate the Australian jersey far above the Queensland one. In fact most of my greatest memories in RL involve Kangaroo tours and watching our best take on the Poms. Lately the Kiwi clashes have been even better.

Here is the interesting question I have then

Seeing that the RLPA are involved in helping set up the fees for SOO ,Tests etc , why do you think that they get paid 30 K for SOO and only 20 k for Tests …..

Yep the players love the National jersey ......., its just not worth that much , that's all :unamused: :laughing:

Thanks for confirming your numbnuts status..it's not all about money..it's about Pride and Respect in representing your Nation…

Besides the flow on effect in representing your Country generally means bonuses built in at Club level and increasing a players value long term...

 

[TCL]

There the problem lies with numbnuts (insert Queensland supporters) like you..who see Origin as the pinnacle of Rugby League…

Representing your Country is the highest honour you can achieve...thankfully Mal and Cammy see it as far from a Micky Mouse tournament giving the Australian jumper the respect it deserves...

Not all of us Geo. I rate the Australian jersey far above the Queensland one. In fact most of my greatest memories in RL involve Kangaroo tours and watching our best take on the Poms. Lately the Kiwi clashes have been even better.

Here is the interesting question I have then

Seeing that the RLPA are involved in helping set up the fees for SOO ,Tests etc , why do you think that they get paid 30 K for SOO and only 20 k for Tests …..

Yep the players love the National jersey ......., its just not worth that much , that's all :unamused: :laughing:

Thanks for confirming your numbnuts status..it's not all about money..it's about Pride and Respect in representing your Nation…

Besides the flow on effect in representing your Country generally means bonuses built in at Club level and increasing a players value long term...

The money doesn't represent value it is about the money generated from the games. If i recall correctly the SOO is consistently a higher financial return and the players rightly want their share of it.

 

[happy_tiger]

There the problem lies with numbnuts (insert Queensland supporters) like you..who see Origin as the pinnacle of Rugby League…

Representing your Country is the highest honour you can achieve...thankfully Mal and Cammy see it as far from a Micky Mouse tournament giving the Australian jumper the respect it deserves...

Not all of us Geo. I rate the Australian jersey far above the Queensland one. In fact most of my greatest memories in RL involve Kangaroo tours and watching our best take on the Poms. Lately the Kiwi clashes have been even better.

Here is the interesting question I have then

Seeing that the RLPA are involved in helping set up the fees for SOO ,Tests etc , why do you think that they get paid 30 K for SOO and only 20 k for Tests …..

Yep the players love the National jersey ......., its just not worth that much , that's all :unamused: :laughing:

Thanks for confirming your numbnuts status..it's not all about money..it's about Pride and Respect in representing your Nation…

Besides the flow on effect in representing your Country generally means bonuses built in at Club level and increasing a players value long term...

Thank you for confirming you have no idea how footballers think

I am yet to see a modern day footballer at the end of their career when asked what their favourite memory or career highlight was ( if they have won a premiership ) say that winning a premiership isn't the highlight

Players you spend maybe 5-6 weeks throughout a season with doesn't compare with blokes you may have played a career with for anywhere between 36-40 weeks of the year for 10+ years

Yes rep honours are important to players and it help their contract $$'s at the end of the day , but if you asked a player would they prefer to win a premiership or play for Australia I would say 90+% would say premiership

I totally agree with you Geo , but I don't think many players would agree

Premierships are more important than rep honours to players

 

[stryker]

I dont believe that argument.
They are two different entities.
The players strive for the premiership and hold it in very high regard. However when that dream ends each year they want that International honour just as much.
Are you telling us that those in contention who miss out on the WC squad next year won't be fazed as their eyes are on the 2018 premiership? Not a chance.

 

[WestsBenTigers]

I dont believe that argument.
They are two different entities.
The players strive for the premiership and hold it in very high regard. However when that dream ends each year they want that International honour just as much.
Are you telling us that those in contention who miss out on the WC squad next year won't be fazed as their eyes are on the 2018 premiership? Not a chance.

The players are focused on playing their best and building their reputation.
The higher the reputation the higher the $$$.
I am sure the players take each game as it comes.

 

[jirskyr]

If Boyd went down Teddy would slot straight in… Ready... There's only so many can be chosen

Totally agree, 100%, fully and unequivocally.

Boyd is there because he's an incumbent and it will remain that way so long as his form keeps up.

Tedesco is as good a fullback as Boyd, but that's like saying Benny was as good a hooker as Walters, Farah was as good a hooker as Smith and Garry Jack was as good a fullback as Belcher - doesn't really matter if the guy in front of you is doing well.

The thing about Mal that annoyed me was him saying Boyd was "the premier FB in the game", just a short while after Tedesco was named the premier FB in the game 2016 at a lavish awards ceremony. Both of them are popularity contests, let us just leave it at that.

 

[happy_tiger]

I dont believe that argument.
They are two different entities.
The players strive for the premiership and hold it in very high regard. However when that dream ends each year they want that International honour just as much.
Are you telling us that those in contention who miss out on the WC squad next year won't be fazed as their eyes are on the 2018 premiership? Not a chance.

I reckon the hurt from playing in a losing GF would hurt a player far more than missing a World Cup squad

 

[TCL]

I dont believe that argument.
They are two different entities.
The players strive for the premiership and hold it in very high regard. However when that dream ends each year they want that International honour just as much.
Are you telling us that those in contention who miss out on the WC squad next year won't be fazed as their eyes are on the 2018 premiership? Not a chance.

I reckon the hurt from playing in a losing GF would hurt a player far more than missing a World Cup squad

Agree 100%. not making a rep team would hurt but training all off season, trial games, then the season proper, semi's to make the GF and to lose is worse hands down!

 

[WestsBenTigers]

IMO

Tedeso is way better than Boyd. Moylan is better than Boyd. GI is better than Boyd. Slater is better than Boyd. Valentine Holmes is better than Boyd. Ben Barba is better than Boyd. Hayne (at best) is better than Boyd.

That is 7 (australian) fullbacks better than Boyd.

I wouldn't think Boyd would make the side considering the fullback talent above him.

IMO

 

[stryker]

When it comes to the rep arena only Slater is ahead of Boyd

 

[WestsBenTigers]

When it comes to the rep arena only Slater is ahead of Boyd

Of the 7 listed Slater and GIare better than Boyd
But in club football 7 are better than Boyd.

 

[WestsBenTigers]

When it comes to the rep arena only Slater is ahead of Boyd

IMO Only Slater and GI better than Boyd in the rep arena.
In the club arena 7 are better than Boyd.

 

[stryker]

When it comes to the rep arena only Slater is ahead of Boyd

Of the 7 listed Slater and GIare better than Boyd
But in club football 7 are better than Boyd.

I dont agree.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

IMO

Tedeso is way better than Boyd. Moylan is better than Boyd. GI is better than Boyd. Slater is better than Boyd. Valentine Holmes is better than Boyd. Ben Barba is better than Boyd. Hayne (at best) is better than Boyd.

That is 7 (australian) fullbacks better than Boyd.

I wouldn't think Boyd would make the side considering the fullback talent above him.

IMO

The fact you havnt mentioned Coote in your 7 better than Boyd explains alot!

 

[fibrodreaming]

I dont believe that argument.
They are two different entities.
The players strive for the premiership and hold it in very high regard. However when that dream ends each year they want that International honour just as much.
Are you telling us that those in contention who miss out on the WC squad next year won't be fazed as their eyes are on the 2018 premiership? Not a chance.

I reckon the hurt from playing in a losing GF would hurt a player far more than missing a World Cup squad

Recently The Roar had a thread on the greatest player never to win a GF. I immediately thought of Tommy Raudonikis. Based on your comments above happy, suppose we gave Tommy the choice of which he would prefer:

We ask him would he prefer to be the premier half-back of the 1970s and (usually) selected to play for Australia; or, to never have represented Australia (or NSW) but to have won a GF with the Magpies.

What do you think he would choose? Which achievement would give him most satisfaction?

I suggest representing Australia will have given him more satisfaction. After all, there are plenty of "neville nobodies" that have been part of a GF winning team, most of whom we have forgotten, but there are not many greats of the game. Tommy's representative record puts him firmly in that category and I think it is his representative record that he would take, given the choice.

 

[WestsBenTigers]

IMO

Tedeso is way better than Boyd. Moylan is better than Boyd. GI is better than Boyd. Slater is better than Boyd. Valentine Holmes is better than Boyd. Ben Barba is better than Boyd. Hayne (at best) is better than Boyd.

That is 7 (australian) fullbacks better than Boyd.

I wouldn't think Boyd would make the side considering the fullback talent above him.

IMO

The fact you havnt mentioned Coote in your 7 better than Boyd explains alot!

When Coote is in form, Yes he is better than Boyd.

But considering Coote hasn't had the greatest of seasons, I would (currently) rank Boyd above Coote

 

[TCL]

I dont believe that argument.
They are two different entities.
The players strive for the premiership and hold it in very high regard. However when that dream ends each year they want that International honour just as much.
Are you telling us that those in contention who miss out on the WC squad next year won't be fazed as their eyes are on the 2018 premiership? Not a chance.

I reckon the hurt from playing in a losing GF would hurt a player far more than missing a World Cup squad

Recently The Roar had a thread on the greatest player never to win a GF. I immediately thought of Tommy Raudonikis. Based on your comments above happy, suppose we gave Tommy the choice of which he would prefer:

We ask him would he prefer to be the premier half-back of the 1970s and (usually) selected to play for Australia; or, to never have represented Australia (or NSW) but to have won a GF with the Magpies.

What do you think he would choose? Which achievement would give him most satisfaction?

I suggest representing Australia will have given him more satisfaction. After all, there are plenty of "neville nobodies" that have been part of a GF winning team, most of whom we have forgotten, but there are not many greats of the game. Tommy's representative record puts him firmly in that category and I think it is his representative record that he would take, given the choice.

I've asked Siro, Benny and Jnr and the answer is they would rather have won a GF! They are proud of their state and aussie jerseys but the GF burns.

 

[happy_tiger]

I dont believe that argument.
They are two different entities.
The players strive for the premiership and hold it in very high regard. However when that dream ends each year they want that International honour just as much.
Are you telling us that those in contention who miss out on the WC squad next year won't be fazed as their eyes are on the 2018 premiership? Not a chance.

I reckon the hurt from playing in a losing GF would hurt a player far more than missing a World Cup squad

Recently The Roar had a thread on the greatest player never to win a GF. I immediately thought of Tommy Raudonikis. Based on your comments above happy, suppose we gave Tommy the choice of which he would prefer:

We ask him would he prefer to be the premier half-back of the 1970s and (usually) selected to play for Australia; or, to never have represented Australia (or NSW) but to have won a GF with the Magpies.

What do you think he would choose? Which achievement would give him most satisfaction?

I suggest representing Australia will have given him more satisfaction. After all, there are plenty of "neville nobodies" that have been part of a GF winning team, most of whom we have forgotten, but there are not many greats of the game. Tommy's representative record puts him firmly in that category and I think it is his representative record that he would take, given the choice.

Fibro if your going to pass judgement on my comments , read the whole thread , I was talking about modern day players , go back and look at any old interview from the Sterlo show , every player who has won a premiership said his biggest or favourite achievement is winning GF 's

Don't shoot the bloody messenger , for Christ sake , go back and loom at what the players themselves say :brick:

 

[fibrodreaming]

Happy, contrary to your assertion, I did read the whole thread.

The relevant section relates to your observation: “I am yet to see a modern day footballer at the end of their career when asked what their favourite memory or career highlight was (if they have won a premiership ) say that winning a premiership isn't the highlight”. You then infer from this that: “Premierships are more important than rep honours to players”.

It seems to me that your conclusion, while it may be true, does not follow from your premise. Based on your account, the players were not asked the direct question about GFs verses rep honours, and they did not say that winning GFs was more important than rep honours. That’s an inference on your part.

You may well be right however, but it's an assumption.