Our problems run deeper than dodgy refs.
Gavin Badger petition
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GNR4LIFE
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Yeah, but its the easy way out if we blame the refs.
What id like to see is Badgers record with other clubs. There could be a few clubs who get caned under him. Don't expect anyone to research it though, then we might not have a victim card to play.
Ink is right. Teams that cannot compete get rolled in the penalty count. The only team in recent memory that has been successful and penalised heavily is Easts.
innsaneink
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But the Roosters have always done it on their own terms, theyre been happy to conceded penalties in their own 20 as they back their own defence.
Teams like us are forced into commiting fouls, we attempt strips more often, we cannot control the ruck and are forced to hold down in the tackle longer, we are caught offside - marker and in general…more often than not....all becaause we lose the ruck regularly
Plus its been proven refs go into games with pre concieved ideas on who should win based on ladder rankings and genaral success ratios....these teams usually fair better in penalty counts
Teams like us are forced into commiting fouls, we attempt strips more often, we cannot control the ruck and are forced to hold down in the tackle longer, we are caught offside - marker and in general…more often than not....all becaause we lose the ruck regularly
Plus its been proven refs go into games with pre concieved ideas on who should win based on ladder rankings and genaral success ratios....these teams usually fair better in penalty counts
That's what I was getting at Ink. They were able to concede penalties readily as their defensive effort could hold out. As much as I hate it, they were the perfect storm that year.
Refs dont care who win. Badger is no different.
I think we got a terrible deal on Monday (it may have even cost us the game), but there will be other games when it goes for you, the difference is when you get the 50/50's go your way, you dont remember the lucky ones as much and believe you would have won anyway.
I think we got a terrible deal on Monday (it may have even cost us the game), but there will be other games when it goes for you, the difference is when you get the 50/50's go your way, you dont remember the lucky ones as much and believe you would have won anyway.
GoldXR50Leroy
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The weight of possession that the Eels had via the lop sided penalty count ensured that there was no way the Tigers could compete in the second half, I know that there were a few mistakes on the Tigers behalf that didn't help their cause but the one sided penalty count was disgraceful.
littletiger
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Succinctly put in your petition mate. Your a Word smith. Take it all the way to parliament.
@kiwitiger said:
He is too clever for that.
When it doesn't count - that is normally when we get a penalty. That is how he works, slipped a few of those in and suddenly the penalty count is almost even. He slipped up last night though…got carried away. He is not a nasty guy, just a cheat.
jirskyr
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Badger is a mug for sure, and WTs are mugs as well because we are too unprofessional.
Everyone might hate the Storm, but they are pros at pushing the limits, as are QLD, of testing the refs but never going overboard.
Tigers on the other hand, when we get penalised, we look like the dog with its head in the biscuit tin, so obviously guilty but with a stupid innocent look on our face. It's that sloppiness, that messy defence and scramble at the ruck that starts all the problems.
I'd argue we are really easy to penalise, blokes like Jesse Sue and Buchanan especially; before them Blair and Gibbs. Badger likes blowing stupid penalties and we make it really easy for him.
Everyone might hate the Storm, but they are pros at pushing the limits, as are QLD, of testing the refs but never going overboard.
Tigers on the other hand, when we get penalised, we look like the dog with its head in the biscuit tin, so obviously guilty but with a stupid innocent look on our face. It's that sloppiness, that messy defence and scramble at the ruck that starts all the problems.
I'd argue we are really easy to penalise, blokes like Jesse Sue and Buchanan especially; before them Blair and Gibbs. Badger likes blowing stupid penalties and we make it really easy for him.
Maybe maybe maybe facts are 2 strip penalties when Parra lost the ball and a certain try to Tedesco sent up as No try plus Drinkwater pass called forward.
No maybes about it the stats say we have not won a penalty count with him since July 2013.
No maybes about it. It's in black and white
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No maybes about it the stats say we have not won a penalty count with him since July 2013.
No maybes about it. It's in black and white
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TopTiger
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Stats don't lie, however it must be remembered that when it comes to refs its the penalties that they don't give that hurt as well. For instance on the very last play of Monday night's game Sue loses the ball and it is deemed by the refs that he dropped the ball and it wasn't stripped yet how many penalties did Parra receive for stripping - whether warranted or not is another matter. The stripping rule is very subjective.
Refs currently officiating Wests Tigers games know that they will not be bagged by Taylor so if the penalty count is lopsided against the Tigers they know they are safe unlike Hasler, Bellamy, Stuart or Toovey coached teams!! All anyone wants as a supporter is consistency from the refs when penalising either team. With Badger he is consistent but unfortunately it appears from the stats that consistency results in penalising the Tigers heavily as opposed to our opposition. Once the Tigers are a consistently competitive team (whenever that may be) we will be better equipped to deal with adverse penalty counts such as the way the Roosters do at the moment.
Refs currently officiating Wests Tigers games know that they will not be bagged by Taylor so if the penalty count is lopsided against the Tigers they know they are safe unlike Hasler, Bellamy, Stuart or Toovey coached teams!! All anyone wants as a supporter is consistency from the refs when penalising either team. With Badger he is consistent but unfortunately it appears from the stats that consistency results in penalising the Tigers heavily as opposed to our opposition. Once the Tigers are a consistently competitive team (whenever that may be) we will be better equipped to deal with adverse penalty counts such as the way the Roosters do at the moment.
happy_tiger
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Still the simplest way of playing and winning the Badger debate is letting it play out in the media
At some stage during our next Badger game Farah speaks to Badger and tells him they have no confidence in his decision making , tell him the entire player squad are going to complain through the players associations
And then just let the media pick it up from there
I can guarantee we will see the back of Badger and any other refs will have that in the back of their minds while reffing any WT's game in the future
But I agree with many on here , we have to help ourselves firstly and foremost
Become a better side and have a better than 50% win / lose ratio
At some stage during our next Badger game Farah speaks to Badger and tells him they have no confidence in his decision making , tell him the entire player squad are going to complain through the players associations
And then just let the media pick it up from there
I can guarantee we will see the back of Badger and any other refs will have that in the back of their minds while reffing any WT's game in the future
But I agree with many on here , we have to help ourselves firstly and foremost
Become a better side and have a better than 50% win / lose ratio
I find it funny that people actually believe that a first grade referee would purposefully sabotage a club - not once but every time he refs us…It got me thinking, is there something about him I dont know?
Is it possible he:
- once trialled for either Wests or Balmain as a player and was cheated out of a contract?
- is a shocking gambler who rode us during the Benji years and done his arse?
- has a disgust of the colour combination black, gold and white?
- loves to jog in the spring and is constantly swooped by magpies?
- had his friend request rejected by Robbie Farah?
- has no respect for the band Survivor?
- once lived in India and saw tigers do bad things?
- got punched out by Laurie Nichols when he was a whipper snapper?
- is no fan of the wiggles?
- finds our style of attack arrogant?
- thinks Dawn's an old racist?
- has enormous difficulty spelling Leichhardt?
- thinks Woodsy needs a hair cut?
Any or all or none of the above could be true and I doubt it would make a difference. He is a professional elite leveled referee. The truth is he is a whistle happy fellow with slight inferiority complexes - he likes to stamp his authority on a game.
Our poor defensive capabilities and structures ensures we give him ample opportunity to flex his muscles. We do this by:
- having non aggressive defenders who regularly fail to perform dominant tackles
- being hopeless at wrestling opponents
- having poor line speed
- regularly failing to control offloads
These four things combine to ensure we often fail to control the ruck, meaning our only respite is to slow it down by either giving away holding penalties or attacking the ball inviting the chance of stripping penalty.
On top of this we are hopeless at defending aerial attacks which promotes off side plays and penalty for taking out attackers. Lastly, our playmakers all like playing at the line which highly increases your chances of throwing a forward pass under speed and pressure.
In summary, is it more likely Badger hates us for the possible reasons mentioned above or just that we simply offer him far too many opportunities to be a prick?
Is it possible he:
- once trialled for either Wests or Balmain as a player and was cheated out of a contract?
- is a shocking gambler who rode us during the Benji years and done his arse?
- has a disgust of the colour combination black, gold and white?
- loves to jog in the spring and is constantly swooped by magpies?
- had his friend request rejected by Robbie Farah?
- has no respect for the band Survivor?
- once lived in India and saw tigers do bad things?
- got punched out by Laurie Nichols when he was a whipper snapper?
- is no fan of the wiggles?
- finds our style of attack arrogant?
- thinks Dawn's an old racist?
- has enormous difficulty spelling Leichhardt?
- thinks Woodsy needs a hair cut?
Any or all or none of the above could be true and I doubt it would make a difference. He is a professional elite leveled referee. The truth is he is a whistle happy fellow with slight inferiority complexes - he likes to stamp his authority on a game.
Our poor defensive capabilities and structures ensures we give him ample opportunity to flex his muscles. We do this by:
- having non aggressive defenders who regularly fail to perform dominant tackles
- being hopeless at wrestling opponents
- having poor line speed
- regularly failing to control offloads
These four things combine to ensure we often fail to control the ruck, meaning our only respite is to slow it down by either giving away holding penalties or attacking the ball inviting the chance of stripping penalty.
On top of this we are hopeless at defending aerial attacks which promotes off side plays and penalty for taking out attackers. Lastly, our playmakers all like playing at the line which highly increases your chances of throwing a forward pass under speed and pressure.
In summary, is it more likely Badger hates us for the possible reasons mentioned above or just that we simply offer him far too many opportunities to be a prick?
of course the team is poorly placed and blaming the referee can be a diversion.
but i need it explained to me why tedesco's first try was disallowed.
being a poorly performed team and also being origin week meant the game received little attention.
the only story i saw was the performance of semi trailer on the wing.
i did see badger shake hands with the captain dene halatau.
it would have made me feel better if halatau had have called him a cheat or taylor had of showed some spirit and verballed him.
of course its only a game but i dislike injustice.
and theres always next game .
but i need it explained to me why tedesco's first try was disallowed.
being a poorly performed team and also being origin week meant the game received little attention.
the only story i saw was the performance of semi trailer on the wing.
i did see badger shake hands with the captain dene halatau.
it would have made me feel better if halatau had have called him a cheat or taylor had of showed some spirit and verballed him.
of course its only a game but i dislike injustice.
and theres always next game .
@stryker said:
All that maybe true Stryker - Probably is.
We may lay too long in the PTB etc.
All I am asking is he penalises both sides for the same offences. HE DOES NOT!!
E.g. Against Penrith - they were off side 90% of the game. Mansour in particular.
Players alongside of him in the play the ball - correction 2 metres in front of him.
From memory 2 penalties for offside, maybe 3.
Could have pinged them every PTB.
Is he a cheat or just totally incompetent? No one could be that bad. So….?
