Get to know Reece Hoffman!

[TheDaBoss]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.

Good experience for him regardless

 

[twentyforty]

Madge did say that but he probably isnt going to put Hoffman under the bus in his first game press conference either. he probably knows the captain can handle it. Yes he is still captain

Unfortunately

Couldn't captain a paper boat floating down the gutter.

Ooo, I like that one. Can I steal it please?


He’s not a fully fledged captain. He’s a co-captain. Therefore whose expectations are not being met here? Certainly not the coaches. The loss that really hurt was against Penrith.

My expectations of what a Captain is are not being met. But I’m just a fan and don’t count right?

Mike, my point is that big wheels turn slowly. Madge is, in many respects still dealing with old problems as you know.
I agree with your point that fans expectations are important , of course they are but at the same time they may differ from the team’s and coach’s, given certain circumstances.
Tell me who would make a good captain for the team.?

 

[Blacknwhite]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.

I think his only fault was that he rushed up out of sync with Moses.

Reynolds would play to the line at Brooks, once he engaged Brooks it was a simple 3 on 2. Mbye rushed Latrell like clockwork, Hoffman was off the pace and ended up in no mans land every time. South identified the pattern in play and exploited it repeatedly. Sadly our defensive system wasnt as sharp and never adjusted. Our 2nd row should have punnished him everytime he had the ball and slid to suit once Mitchell lined up on their right edge.

At best Hoffman could have hit the centre every time... he was hung out to dry.

He didnt fall apart mentally, and that was good to see.

 

[mike]

Madge did say that but he probably isnt going to put Hoffman under the bus in his first game press conference either. he probably knows the captain can handle it. Yes he is still captain

Unfortunately

Couldn't captain a paper boat floating down the gutter.

Ooo, I like that one. Can I steal it please?


He’s not a fully fledged captain. He’s a co-captain. Therefore whose expectations are not being met here? Certainly not the coaches. The loss that really hurt was against Penrith.

My expectations of what a Captain is are not being met. But I’m just a fan and don’t count right?


Mike, my point is that big wheels turn slowly. Madge is, in many respects still dealing with old problems as you know.
I agree with your point that fans expectations are important , of course they are but at the same time they may differ from the team’s and coach’s, given certain circumstances.
Tell me who would make a good captain for the team.?

From an outside perspective, Alex Twal would be my preference but I’d also try Josh Aloiai, Luciano Leilua or even Reynolds. I’d even be prepared to give it to Grant in preference to Mbye. Mbye is a mouse, says all the right things I’m sure but inspires no one.

 

[twentyforty]

Madge did say that but he probably isnt going to put Hoffman under the bus in his first game press conference either. he probably knows the captain can handle it. Yes he is still captain

Unfortunately

Couldn't captain a paper boat floating down the gutter.

Ooo, I like that one. Can I steal it please?


He’s not a fully fledged captain. He’s a co-captain. Therefore whose expectations are not being met here? Certainly not the coaches. The loss that really hurt was against Penrith.

My expectations of what a Captain is are not being met. But I’m just a fan and don’t count right?


Mike, my point is that big wheels turn slowly. Madge is, in many respects still dealing with old problems as you know.
I agree with your point that fans expectations are important , of course they are but at the same time they may differ from the team’s and coach’s, given certain circumstances.
Tell me who would make a good captain for the team.?

From an outside perspective, Alex Twal would be my preference but I’d also try Josh Aloiai, Luciano Leilua or even Reynolds. I’d even be prepared to give it to Grant in preference to Mbye. Mbye is a mouse, says all the right things I’m sure but inspires no one.

All the players you mention appear to have one thing in common. They all appear to have more enthusiasm, coupled with will to win attitude, than Moses. I don’t want to be too hard on Moses because of his medical issues. Anyone who has had a near death experience can go through a rationalisation process which gets one off the road less travelled and onto a pathway of normality which can include a different set of priorities. Particularly if one has children.
He obviously suits the roll in the team’s transitional stage. If he was a great inspirational leader he he wouldn’t be called a co-captain.

 

[happy_tiger]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.

I think his only fault was that he rushed up out of sync with Moses.

Reynolds would play to the line at Brooks, once he engaged Brooks it was a simple 3 on 2. Mbye rushed Latrell like clockwork, Hoffman was off the pace and ended up in no mans land every time. South identified the pattern in play and exploited it repeatedly. Sadly our defensive system wasnt as sharp and never adjusted. Our 2nd row should have punnished him everytime he had the ball and slid to suit once Mitchell lined up on their right edge.

At best Hoffman could have hit the centre every time... he was hung out to dry.

He didnt fall apart mentally, and that was good to see.

If your centre goes ...you go .....that simple

 

[tony soprano]

He looks like a future first grader 1 or 2 preseasons away. Can see why a few clubs are after him. Want to see Simpkin next

 

[JC99]

He did as I expected. A little shaky under the high ball but seeing as he’s a centre not a winger I expected as much. Mbye let him down a lot in defence and you could clearly see they had not worked together much at all.

Kids got potential but for now we need Talau back ASAP. Let’s not forget he wasn’t supposed to even be playing first grade until 2022 minimum.

 

[twentyforty]

He did as I expected. A little shaky under the high ball but seeing as he’s a centre not a winger I expected as much. Mbye let him down a lot in defence and you could clearly see they had not worked together much at all.

Kids got potential but for now we need Talau back ASAP. Let’s not forget he wasn’t supposed to even be playing first grade until 2022 minimum.

I would like to see Talau return to replace Chee Kam. Leaving Hoffman on the flank.

 

[happy_tiger]

He did as I expected. A little shaky under the high ball but seeing as he’s a centre not a winger I expected as much. Mbye let him down a lot in defence and you could clearly see they had not worked together much at all.

Kids got potential but for now we need Talau back ASAP. Let’s not forget he wasn’t supposed to even be playing first grade until 2022 minimum.

I would like to see Talau return to replace Chee Kam. Leaving Hoffman on the flank.

Hope neither are there

 

[JC99]

He did as I expected. A little shaky under the high ball but seeing as he’s a centre not a winger I expected as much. Mbye let him down a lot in defence and you could clearly see they had not worked together much at all.

Kids got potential but for now we need Talau back ASAP. Let’s not forget he wasn’t supposed to even be playing first grade until 2022 minimum.

I would like to see Talau return to replace Chee Kam. Leaving Hoffman on the flank.

Personally if both Hoffman and Talau are in the team, I’d be putting Hoffman to centre. For me he’s a much more natural centre than Talau and Talau is a much better winger.

Rowdy did well there so happy for him to keep his spot

 

[Tiger5150]

Are you guys serious blaming Mbye? He has been our best defensive back all year and our left side has been tight as a drum. Put a 19 rookie outside him and it turns to poo. James Roberts Try, Roberts caught the ball at centre WITH HOFFMAN INSIDE HIM!!!!

You must have watched a different game, he rushed out of the line 4 time ah la Nofo the last couple of years.


Watched the same game. Why do you think Mbye was doing that, despite the fact that he has never done it before? Could it be he is desperately trying to shut down the play because his winger is badly out of position and out of his depth?

The Roberts try, Roberts (the centre) caught the ball OUTSIDE Hoffman (the winger) and still had his winger in support. Roberts didnt need it because he knew he could burn Hoffman

Go and have a look at Madge's presser.

Sure, I will, but how will someone elses opinion affect the fact that a fast centre caught the ball outside the opposing winger?

 

[Tiger5150]

Imagine if Hoffmans debut was on Thursday playing for the Rorters, he'd be on cloud 9. Sorry kid, your first game was with us.


***We’ve had this problem for a while now,*** we keep getting belted in the middle third.

No. No we havent. Our left side defence has been rock solid ever since Mybe was shifted to centre. Rock solid. What changed?

I thought Garner and Luchy were strong and solid. Hoffman had a good debut and showed plenty of promise. I’m looking forward to seeing Hoffman and Talau as our centre pairing.

Not specifically having a go at you here, there have been a few saying the same thing and Im genuinely interested. Why? Why are you looking forward to seeing Hoffman in first grade in any position? What attribute did you see last night that looked positive (genuine question)?

To me he looked small, slow and with poor positional sense in defence. Sure it was a debut and he is very young, its not his fault but I genuinely dont see what there is to be positive about.


? if you were coach would any young players get more than one game to prove themselves? Sure Hoffman looks slow, I posted as much here after the Penrith trial game. My preferred centres would be Momers and BJ with Talau and Hoffman either filling in for BJ’s holidays or playing wing.

Tries conceded by channel
Wests Tigers conceded 80 tries in 2019 at an average of 3.3 per game.

Their most successful defensive periods came in the opening and final 10 minutes of games with only 15 tries conceded in total.

Their toughest time periods came in the 30 minutes after half-time with 34 tries conceded (42.5% of their total conceded) in a stat to fix next season.

The Tigers conceded 22 tries through the centre of the paddock in another area to address.

Both left (31) and right (27) channels were similar in conceding tries defensively.

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/2019/wests-tigers/2019-tigers4.jpg?center=0.33%2C0.78&preset=photo-inline

Mate, Im not sure if it was your intention, but you just proved my point, that our left side defence has stiffened up ***ever since Mbye was switched to left centre*** . You have posted 2019 stats which had Momorovski at left centre for most of the season.

Additionally you agree with me that Hoffman is slow and there is at least 4 players better than him that you would pick in front of him, to which I would add Nofo. So to answer your question more directly.....NO, I would not give this young player more than one game to prove themselves whilst there are better proven players available. If we run out of better, proven players, then he gets a run. Seems simple to me.

 

[Tiger5150]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.

Exactly, and Mbye had to scream up a few times to try to stop it because he could see Hoffman out of position.

 

[Tiger5150]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.

I think his only fault was that he rushed up out of sync with Moses.

Reynolds would play to the line at Brooks, once he engaged Brooks it was a simple 3 on 2. Mbye rushed Latrell like clockwork, Hoffman was off the pace and ended up in no mans land every time. South identified the pattern in play and exploited it repeatedly. Sadly our defensive system wasnt as sharp and never adjusted. Our 2nd row should have punnished him everytime he had the ball and slid to suit once Mitchell lined up on their right edge.

At best Hoffman could have hit the centre every time... he was hung out to dry.

He didnt fall apart mentally, and that was good to see.

This is not a bad summary. In each of the 4 tries, who did Hoffman get? In my recollection he didnt get a hand on the centre or the winger. After 2 tries I was seriously thinking, if it was me, I'd just stick on my winger and make the centre hit inside me.

 

[Tiger5150]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.

I think his only fault was that he rushed up out of sync with Moses.

Reynolds would play to the line at Brooks, once he engaged Brooks it was a simple 3 on 2. Mbye rushed Latrell like clockwork, Hoffman was off the pace and ended up in no mans land every time. South identified the pattern in play and exploited it repeatedly. Sadly our defensive system wasnt as sharp and never adjusted. Our 2nd row should have punnished him everytime he had the ball and slid to suit once Mitchell lined up on their right edge.

At best Hoffman could have hit the centre every time... he was hung out to dry.

He didnt fall apart mentally, and that was good to see.

If your centre goes ...you go .....that simple

And get someone....or else

 

[happy_tiger]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.

I think his only fault was that he rushed up out of sync with Moses.

Reynolds would play to the line at Brooks, once he engaged Brooks it was a simple 3 on 2. Mbye rushed Latrell like clockwork, Hoffman was off the pace and ended up in no mans land every time. South identified the pattern in play and exploited it repeatedly. Sadly our defensive system wasnt as sharp and never adjusted. Our 2nd row should have punnished him everytime he had the ball and slid to suit once Mitchell lined up on their right edge.

At best Hoffman could have hit the centre every time... he was hung out to dry.

He didnt fall apart mentally, and that was good to see.

If your centre goes ...you go .....that simple


And get someone....or else

Nail the sucker ...tell the sucker you nailed him ..remind him you got his number tattooed to your eyeballs ..and it's coming for another 80

 

[Tiger5150]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.

I think his only fault was that he rushed up out of sync with Moses.

Reynolds would play to the line at Brooks, once he engaged Brooks it was a simple 3 on 2. Mbye rushed Latrell like clockwork, Hoffman was off the pace and ended up in no mans land every time. South identified the pattern in play and exploited it repeatedly. Sadly our defensive system wasnt as sharp and never adjusted. Our 2nd row should have punnished him everytime he had the ball and slid to suit once Mitchell lined up on their right edge.

At best Hoffman could have hit the centre every time... he was hung out to dry.

He didnt fall apart mentally, and that was good to see.

If your centre goes ...you go .....that simple


And get someone....or else

Nail the sucker ...tell the sucker you nailed him ..remind him you got his number tattooed to your eyeballs ..and it's coming for another 80

I could kinda live with the winger scoring untouched if Hoffman nailed Roberts, but he never got anyone

 

[bathursttiger1]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.


Exactly, and Mbye had to scream up a few times to try to stop it because he could see Hoffman out of position.

If you are going to scream up make sure of 1 thing stop the man.

 

[Tiger5150]

I'd have to go back and watch the tape but I thought Hoffman made a number of bad decisions and I don't think those were necessarily Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Mbye defended fine the past few weeks with different wingers, but tonight our LHD got destroyed, and the difference was the new kid and Brooks missing more tackles than usual.

Last week it was the RHD being exploited.

But I don't see any specific reason to crucify Mbye, which is a favoured past-time on here, slightly ahead of lambasting Brooks. Hoffman isn't a winger clearly, and he went in of his own accord many times. The winger either goes in with his centre or stays out, but Hoffman did neither, kept getting caught in-between.

Not going to lash the kid, first game, but I don't see this being Mbye's fault.

Or to put it another way, Nofo for years has been savaged about running too far in from wing and taking nobody / turning like a bus, but Mbye gets blamed for Hoffman doing the same thing? They attacked Hoffman all night and waited for him to make his defensive play every time they went to their right.


Exactly, and Mbye had to scream up a few times to try to stop it because he could see Hoffman out of position.

If you are going to scream up make sure of 1 thing stop the man.

I think in just about all the try scoring plays they cut his man out