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God?
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Tigerdave
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@reyre2000 said:
yeah it's a good show
This is a touchy subject…
Some people feel better because of their beliefs...
Personally, I am not a church goer but I do do have faith & believe in god.
I'm NOT for cult-religions (Edited 117) or people trying to profit off the name of God.
No need to judge people because of their religion, if it's their choice - then why should it bother you?
I know great people who are hardout Christians, Muslims and even know some nice Jews.
I like that.
Some people feel better because of their beliefs...
Personally, I am not a church goer but I do do have faith & believe in god.
I'm NOT for cult-religions (Edited 117) or people trying to profit off the name of God.
No need to judge people because of their religion, if it's their choice - then why should it bother you?
I know great people who are hardout Christians, Muslims and even know some nice Jews.
@Spartan117 said:
I like that.
Like Spartan and Demps I have a strong belief in God. I don't normally broadcast this or force my beliefs onto other people but my faith in God is a very important part of my life. I'm not the most perfect Christian and no doubt have done things that would have Him frown and will probably continue to do these things. The most important part for me is that I have accepted Jesus Christ as my saviour. Certain things have happened in my life and I strongly believe that God has prepared me for what I am experiencing now and will experience in the future. I wont go through what these experiences are here because I don't want to force my story onto anyone but for who ever is interested, I'm more than happy to share this over PM's or facebook.
hammertime
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@tiger sean said:
I really don't want to try to go against what you believe mate. It's up to everyone as an individual and faith can be a bl00dy good thing most of the time, except for when it creates conflict amongst religions.
But there is really nothing in that link. Most of it substantiates that the bible was written around 30BC, which is true, and there is some very loose translations.
But the structure of the bible, and a lot of other religions, is really just personifying the Sun into a man.
To give you a few quick dot points. The east star is a star called sirius, on dec 25th, the '3 kings' another constellation align with the rising of the sun on the 25th. Mary, the constellation virgo 'the virgin', is also a translation of Bethlehem. During the 3 days 22,23,24, the sun actually stops moving South, on the 25, it rises again. Hence the tale of the 3 days and the resurrection (but they didn't celebrate that until the Spring equinox - Easter). The southern cross also happens to be placed above the sun at that point. The number 12 used throughout the bible is a reflection on the number of astrological star signs.
There is a lot more, especially the comparisons between Horus (the Egyptian sun god) and Jesus that I could go on with, or Moses to Mises, but I'll just leave it at that…
However, I do think some 'god' created existence and we should all live our lives believing in an afterlife and good morals will get you there.
Religion itself is a curious beast.
A religious person on their own follows adheres to a moral code to what believes will make them a good person. I respect that and nor can I argue with that.
But on the inside I feel that religion is just another convention upon which where we as human beings, are trying to fill our insatiable need to understand where we fit in the universe. Without any sort of reasoning, we find it hard to have a measurable means to justify our existence. What annoys me is when people let their conventions become the very definition of them rather than just an extension of themselves and have the inward belief that everyone else around them should be just like that.
That said, I have an intense interest in religion, not for the moral ideals they suggest, but rather how it affects people and how they live in accordance with their respective teachings (i.e. what possesses a 16 year old Palestinian boy to strap explosives to his chest and detonate it in an area crowded with Jews, or how the KKK are a white supremacist, anti-semitic organisation that hinges upon their following of the bible and belief of Jesus, the Son of God and "King of the Jews".) I suppose that reverts back to Adman's comment of what could be perceived as God and to a lesser extent, religion itself.
A religious person on their own follows adheres to a moral code to what believes will make them a good person. I respect that and nor can I argue with that.
But on the inside I feel that religion is just another convention upon which where we as human beings, are trying to fill our insatiable need to understand where we fit in the universe. Without any sort of reasoning, we find it hard to have a measurable means to justify our existence. What annoys me is when people let their conventions become the very definition of them rather than just an extension of themselves and have the inward belief that everyone else around them should be just like that.
That said, I have an intense interest in religion, not for the moral ideals they suggest, but rather how it affects people and how they live in accordance with their respective teachings (i.e. what possesses a 16 year old Palestinian boy to strap explosives to his chest and detonate it in an area crowded with Jews, or how the KKK are a white supremacist, anti-semitic organisation that hinges upon their following of the bible and belief of Jesus, the Son of God and "King of the Jews".) I suppose that reverts back to Adman's comment of what could be perceived as God and to a lesser extent, religion itself.
Religion is "Man made" set of ideas that in affect bring you further away from God, Ie Traditions and legalistic requirements.
Here is the truth as I see it.
- We are all sinners
- The price of sin according to a Holy and Just Deity is separation.
- There is now Loving your family, Being Good, paying Money, service to an organisation Blowing yourself up etc that makes you eligible to get out of this debt.
- This loving Deity sent his son who lived a perfect life and allowed himself to be put to death so that through this gift he gives us Freedom in life beyond this one..
That's a good deal IMO.
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A few things to keep this respectful Discussion going...
Like it or not, this entire world is based on agreeing with or trying to combat the principles of the Bible.
People like to believe God does not exist as we hate Authority, If God is real then we case a light at how we live and we dont like that feeling.
You hit your thumb with an Hammer and no one yells out OH Budha, its always Christ.
We talk out global warming today and the changes we are seeing, yet we are taught that changes take billions of years. Baloney.
We talk about evolution of man yet there is not one fossil or skeletal of a half ape half man, yet we have many dinosaur bones that are supposed to be from before mankind.
People believe they are Christians because their parents were, or because they are nothing else. Its not the way it works.
Here is the truth as I see it.
- We are all sinners
- The price of sin according to a Holy and Just Deity is separation.
- There is now Loving your family, Being Good, paying Money, service to an organisation Blowing yourself up etc that makes you eligible to get out of this debt.
- This loving Deity sent his son who lived a perfect life and allowed himself to be put to death so that through this gift he gives us Freedom in life beyond this one..
That's a good deal IMO.
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A few things to keep this respectful Discussion going...
Like it or not, this entire world is based on agreeing with or trying to combat the principles of the Bible.
People like to believe God does not exist as we hate Authority, If God is real then we case a light at how we live and we dont like that feeling.
You hit your thumb with an Hammer and no one yells out OH Budha, its always Christ.
We talk out global warming today and the changes we are seeing, yet we are taught that changes take billions of years. Baloney.
We talk about evolution of man yet there is not one fossil or skeletal of a half ape half man, yet we have many dinosaur bones that are supposed to be from before mankind.
People believe they are Christians because their parents were, or because they are nothing else. Its not the way it works.
@Spartan117 said:
I don't yell "Christ" Spartan…
Give you two hints: a four letter word; and rhymes with truck :laughing:
hammertime
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@Spartan117 said:
Without human intervention it takes billions of years. Both in changing the environment and genetic changes to animals. We are capable of speeding up both.
@Spartan117 said:
Yes there is. There are plenty of fossils showing the evolution from Ape to Man.
happy_tiger
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To all of the non believers Can you explain one thing to me . Where did everything come from ??? Even if the Big Bang Theory is true, matter and energy has to come from somewhere . If someone can explain that to me i could possibly become a non believer but everthing has to come from somewhere
@hammertime said:
Where HammerT???
You would think there are tons of examples not just one example that I read about in Nat Geo that was found in Indonesia that just turned out to be a "Short Stature person" …
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pat-attack88
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None of this has got to do with footy or even the tigers…
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happy_tiger
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@pat-attack88 said:
It might do . I wonder who God would support ???
tiger_sean
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@hammertime said:
Look mate in the end we could both look at websites and different sources and find something to back up our belief and claim that it's right or say the other persons source is wrong.
@happy tiger said:
No I can't explain it. And neither can you. Nobody knows (yet) what took place in those moments before or just after the big bang but with modern physics, Quantum field theory and general relativity that is, we can date time to 10 (-43) seconds after "The Big Bang". Before this time all laws of physics as we currently understand break down, time, energy, matter do not behave in the same way. "**everthing has to come from somewhere**" We really just don't know this. Time as we understand it today didnt exist before the big bang. What took place before that is an absolute mystery.
To say that we dont know therefore "god did it" is asinin and an arguement from ignorance.
GNR4LIFE
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@pat-attack88 said:
hence why this is in the general discussion thread
happy_tiger
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@reyre2000 said:
All I am saying is that believing in God neither hinders nor affects my life in anyway . If I am wrong I am wrong no harm done but I at least know that it has helped me make moral based decisions in my life regarding all of my life for which I am proud .
At least we aint bashing Sheens at the mo and we talk heaps of other non WT stuff…
Plus its an insight into some of the personalities online and what drives us at probably the most fundimental level. Lets face it We will All Leave here one day and either we are like lettuce and it wont matter or there is something or someone out there and their trying to get our attention....
Every culture Talks about an after life and a Dreamtime...
To me if its handled with the respect it deserves its OK to Agree, Disagree as this self questioning attitude should help solidify your thoughts and choices on the subject.
Plus its an insight into some of the personalities online and what drives us at probably the most fundimental level. Lets face it We will All Leave here one day and either we are like lettuce and it wont matter or there is something or someone out there and their trying to get our attention....
Every culture Talks about an after life and a Dreamtime...
To me if its handled with the respect it deserves its OK to Agree, Disagree as this self questioning attitude should help solidify your thoughts and choices on the subject.
@happy tiger said:
What happens if your Right???
happy_tiger
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@Spartan117 said:
It'll be my little secret , but if St Peter lets me I'll post it on the Forum Ok Spartan . Then we might see a few change their opinions :roll
