Great article re Roosters Salary Cap

[Harvey]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/roosters/nrl-2019-roosters-cooper-cronk-set-for-coaching-role-life-membership/news-story/6d34a39483393ca1de383f4b0193d180

What a surprise, Cronk is now working through the details of a paid coaching role at the roosters on top of his Harvard education. Obviously has never been discussed before and was not part of the package that lured him from Melbourne.

He has gone through the same coaching courses that Inglis did before he decided to sacrifice his $1m playing contract retire and take up a $400k a year influencer/life coach role for the players at souths.

Seriously, if the NRL can't work out that these are inducements outside of the players playing contract, they must have their heads so far up their own asses that they can lick the back of their own uvula.

 

[jirskyr]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/roosters/nrl-2019-roosters-cooper-cronk-set-for-coaching-role-life-membership/news-story/6d34a39483393ca1de383f4b0193d180

What a surprise, Cronk is now working through the details of a paid coaching role at the roosters on top of his Harvard education. Obviously has never been discussed before and was not part of the package that lured him from Melbourne.

He has gone through the same coaching courses that Inglis did before he decided to sacrifice his $1m playing contract retire and take up a $400k a year influencer/life coach role for the players at souths.

Seriously, if the NRL can't work out that these are inducements outside of the players playing contract, they must have their heads so far up their own asses that they can lick the back of their own uvula.

It seems that you just have to keep it all secret and NRL waive it ok. The only mistake Tigers made was making any public comment about Robbie potentially being an ambassador and having paper evidence to signal that intent.

If you just keep your mouth shut and write nothing down, you can do what you like when the player retires.

 

[JD Tiger]

@jirskyr Unfortunately, that's completely true. I like someone's idea of getting with the other smaller clubs and rebelling. We'll need players on board too, which will be near impossible, as a lot of them these days just go where the money is. How do we keep the players from not mutinying back to the NRL?

 

[The_Patriot]

I could care less for the salary cap talk. What the Roosters do well is release players who are not great value to the club. They dont pay overs for bit players. They then identity and recruit who add to the style of play and culture they are trying to achieve.

Its them and the Storm who lead this league in clever recruitment and retention.

Yes they are smart . But you don't have a roster like that just through shrewd retention and recruitment. They may not offer overs within the cap but its what is offered outside the cap that allows them to build the roster they have. And that's what peeves everyone off.

100% agree.

But that is what we need to aspire to not just be happy to finish 9th and call fair play.

 

[The_Patriot]

I could care less for the salary cap talk. What the Roosters do well is release players who are not great value to the club. They dont pay overs for bit players. They then identity and recruit who add to the style of play and culture they are trying to achieve.

I used to think that too, but I'm not so sure anymore.

A couple of seasons ago there were some quite authoritative articles in the press concerning how much Easts were paying their players - not the marquee players but other squad members. They went into specifics, but unfortunately I have forgotten the details. I do remember that the articles raised some eyebrows at the time because it was claimed that many of their regulars were being paid substantially less than what one would expect their market value to be.

The obvious conclusion was that these players were in receipt of good TPAs. But, it appears not, because last year the NRL released official figures re TPAs by club and, to everyones amazement, Easts TPAs were middle of the pack.

So, that led me to conclude that either; (a) the bulk of the squad are happy to play for significant unders, which is possible; or, **(b) their players are in receipt of other sources of money that does not have to be reported to the NRL, which I think is more likely.**

The problem for the NRL is the lack of transparency around players remuneration. Until that is resolved, the NRL and Easts will continue to have a credibility problem.

Im leaning that way too. Proving it is impossible however.

 

[gallagher]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/roosters/nrl-2019-roosters-cooper-cronk-set-for-coaching-role-life-membership/news-story/6d34a39483393ca1de383f4b0193d180

What a surprise, Cronk is now working through the details of a paid coaching role at the roosters on top of his Harvard education. Obviously has never been discussed before and was not part of the package that lured him from Melbourne.

He has gone through the same coaching courses that Inglis did before he decided to sacrifice his $1m playing contract retire and take up a $400k a year influencer/life coach role for the players at souths.

Seriously, if the NRL can't work out that these are inducements outside of the players playing contract, they must have their heads so far up their own asses that they can lick the back of their own uvula.

So what's stopping us doing this ?

 

[Tcat]

@gallagher I think all clubs know what's going on, but which clubs are smart enough to get away with it or have big enough plums to do it is another question. Sadly WTs don't possess either quality. Wish we did tho.

 

[rustycage]

But $350k was enough for Matterson to go from the premiers to a club that rarely makes the 8. I think they pay alot of their younger blokes bugger all.

Not sure why you commence your sentence with "But". I allowed for the possibility that a lot of their squad may be prepared to play for unders.

Because you said it was more likely they were getting money outside the cap. My example of Matterson suggests it more likely they are paying their lesser players unders.

Your example of Matto is apt - for how long would Roosters "lesser players" be happy to be paid "unders"? Matto's example suggests around 50 FG games and 1 contract / 3 seasons is the duration, before wanting to move on.

After just one season at $350K, Matto now wants double that.

So the real question isn't how Roosters pay some lesser players lower wages, but how some of them are happy to continue to be paid at that rate on multiple contracts.

For example Taukeiaho, who is over 100 FG games now and a representative footballer. The article that @fibrodreaming referenced had Taukeiaho at something ridiculous like $250K. And even if you accept that he was on $250K back then, he's since more than doubled his FG experience and played rep footy, and is now into his 3rd contract with the Roosters.

**So let's accept the argument that early-career novice players are paid a pittance by Roosters, in order to (a) boost their profile and (b) be part of a "winning organisation", but how do Roosters retain such players year on year? Why are they all not leaving for richer pastures like Ryan Matterson?**

Because they are in fact getting other monies. They're not short changed one bit. Only NRL HQ don't care.

 

[Harvey]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/rabbitohs/nrl-2019-sam-burgess-shoulder-injury-retirement-south-sydney-rabbitohs-star-battling-chronic-injury/news-story/530b1f41d6700b634a75a9938f3b44c5

Jeez souths are unlucky. Signing these 30 year old players to big contracts and then having them develop chronic career ending injuries, requiring payouts that don't count towards the cap.

 

[Tim Sheens]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/rabbitohs/nrl-2019-sam-burgess-shoulder-injury-retirement-south-sydney-rabbitohs-star-battling-chronic-injury/news-story/530b1f41d6700b634a75a9938f3b44c5

Jeez souths are unlucky. Signing these 30 year old players to big contracts and then having them develop chronic career ending injuries, requiring payouts that don't count towards the cap.

Pretty well what I was thinking the angle was going to be as I watched it on the news this evening. That his brother was interviewed and knew nothing of this supposed chronic injury was the icing on the cake.

 

[Bathursttiger2]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/rabbitohs/nrl-2019-sam-burgess-shoulder-injury-retirement-south-sydney-rabbitohs-star-battling-chronic-injury/news-story/530b1f41d6700b634a75a9938f3b44c5

Jeez souths are unlucky. Signing these 30 year old players to big contracts and then having them develop chronic career ending injuries, requiring payouts that don't count towards the cap.

Sounds like someone we should have a go at signing.

 

[Madgic]

@formerguest Not to mention the Raiders' centre of excellence opening in February. I have photos of it if anyone is interested - hubby works across the road and takes lots of photos looking straight down onto it.

 

[gallagher]

@rustycage said in [Great article re Roosters Salary Cap]
Because they are in fact getting other monies. They're not short changed one bit. Only NRL HQ don't care.

So how come Matto left to come here for $350? He must be getting other monies from us.

 

[fibrodreaming]

So how come Matto left to come here for $350?

When Matterson signed I assumed that Angus Chrichton joining Easts had something to do with it. It forced him down the pecking order and further away from a starting position.

 

[Newtown]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/roosters/nrl-2019-roosters-cooper-cronk-set-for-coaching-role-life-membership/news-story/6d34a39483393ca1de383f4b0193d180

What a surprise, Cronk is now working through the details of a paid coaching role at the roosters on top of his Harvard education. Obviously has never been discussed before and was not part of the package that lured him from Melbourne.

He has gone through the same coaching courses that Inglis did before he decided to sacrifice his $1m playing contract retire and take up a $400k a year influencer/life coach role for the players at souths.

Seriously, if the NRL can't work out that these are inducements outside of the players playing contract, they must have their heads so far up their own asses that they can lick the back of their own uvula.

So what's stopping us doing this ?

The only problem is that the microscope will be on Wests tigers not teams like Roosters? Remember Pascoe's episode this year?

 

[rustycage]

@rustycage said in [Great article re Roosters Salary Cap]
Because they are in fact getting other monies. They're not short changed one bit. Only NRL HQ don't care.

So how come Matto left to come here for $350? He must be getting other monies from us.

The fact he's not happy would indicate that in fact he isn't.

 

[jirskyr]

@rustycage said in [Great article re Roosters Salary Cap]
Because they are in fact getting other monies. They're not short changed one bit. Only NRL HQ don't care.

So how come Matto left to come here for $350? He must be getting other monies from us.

The fact he's not happy would indicate that in fact he isn't.

Perhaps he forewent future Roosters paper bag monies to increase his profile at another club and then officially get a much bigger contract.

Of which is he is now 50% of the way through with that plan.

Always better to have official contracted money than under-table verbal money, if you can.

 

[OzLuke]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/roosters/nrl-2019-roosters-cooper-cronk-set-for-coaching-role-life-membership/news-story/6d34a39483393ca1de383f4b0193d180

What a surprise, Cronk is now working through the details of a paid coaching role at the roosters on top of his Harvard education. Obviously has never been discussed before and was not part of the package that lured him from Melbourne.

He has gone through the same coaching courses that Inglis did before he decided to sacrifice his $1m playing contract retire and take up a $400k a year influencer/life coach role for the players at souths.

Seriously, if the NRL can't work out that these are inducements outside of the players playing contract, they must have their heads so far up their own asses that they can lick the back of their own uvula.

So what's stopping us doing this ?

The only problem is that the microscope will be on Wests tigers not teams like Roosters? Remember Pascoe's episode this year?

and the nrl wouldn't let us have Loz as an advisor because he commentates on fox? NRL love us

 

[gallagher]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/roosters/nrl-2019-roosters-cooper-cronk-set-for-coaching-role-life-membership/news-story/6d34a39483393ca1de383f4b0193d180

What a surprise, Cronk is now working through the details of a paid coaching role at the roosters on top of his Harvard education. Obviously has never been discussed before and was not part of the package that lured him from Melbourne.

He has gone through the same coaching courses that Inglis did before he decided to sacrifice his $1m playing contract retire and take up a $400k a year influencer/life coach role for the players at souths.

Seriously, if the NRL can't work out that these are inducements outside of the players playing contract, they must have their heads so far up their own asses that they can lick the back of their own uvula.

So what's stopping us doing this ?

The only problem is that the microscope will be on Wests tigers not teams like Roosters? Remember Pascoe's episode this year?

and the nrl wouldn't let us have Loz as an advisor because he commentates on fox? NRL love us

He works for a betting agency.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I could care less for the salary cap talk. What the Roosters do well is release players who are not great value to the club. They dont pay overs for bit players. They then identity and recruit who add to the style of play and culture they are trying to achieve.

I used to think that too, but I'm not so sure anymore.

A couple of seasons ago there were some quite authoritative articles in the press concerning how much Easts were paying their players - not the marquee players but other squad members. They went into specifics, but unfortunately I have forgotten the details. I do remember that the articles raised some eyebrows at the time because it was claimed that many of their regulars were being paid substantially less than what one would expect their market value to be.

The obvious conclusion was that these players were in receipt of good TPAs. But, it appears not, because last year the NRL released official figures re TPAs by club and, to everyones amazement, Easts TPAs were middle of the pack.

So, that led me to conclude that either; (a) the bulk of the squad are happy to play for significant unders, which is possible; or, (b) their players are in receipt of other sources of money that does not have to be reported to the NRL, which I think is more likely.

The problem for the NRL is the lack of transparency around players remuneration. Until that is resolved, the NRL and Easts will continue to have a credibility problem.

But $350k was enough for Matterson to go from the premiers to a club that rarely makes the 8. I think they pay alot of their younger blokes bugger all.

Not anymore! ?