Has Valandys ruined the game?

[supercoach]

Tyson Otto’s article summed it up to a tee. Basically teams are being starved of possession and that leads to errors both in attack and in defence and it snowballs from there.

Peter the not so great tells us to shut up and get better. I wish it was that easy. Don’t get me wrong both the Storm and Penrith are ruthless and clinical and deserve a lot credit, but we need a competitive competition and the one we have now is terrible.

Anyway let’s hope people power forces the NRL to pull their heads out of the sand

 

[weststigerman]

Hate it the way it is. Building pressure used to take talent and skill. Now if you hold the ball and the referee likes you, he'll build the pressure for you. Possession is now much more important than field position.

 

[jadtiger]

Anyway let’s hope people power forces the NRL to pull their heads out of the sand

I can think of a word far more appropriate than "sand" and the NRL needs to do it swiftly

 

[the_third]

Last weekend Manly beat the Tigers 50-18. The Storm beat the Warriors 42-16 and the Eels beat the Tigers 40-12.

I know we weren't going great but to lose two games against two different teams in the same weekend...

ha yeah a cut and paste fail

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

I used to watch 6-7 games per round. Now I struggle to bring myself to watch our games.

It feels like there is no reason to invest in games. At any point, one team could get a string of 6-agains, then the game is over. Games have become predictable.

I get what V'landys was trying to do, but you can't change how a game works that quickly and expect people who have been conditioned to watching it be played a different way for years to enjoy it. There did need to be a change. Teams were playing negative football in defence. Deliberate penalties when on attack, stuff like that. It's gone too far, though.

 

[jrtiger]

I think we were right where we needed to be last year. if we make 10m infringements penalties again then you'll almost instantly see a change. right now it is a game of momentum and only teams like Penrith, Melbourne, Easts and Parra can hold their own for extended periods of time under the pump. instead of six agains for 10m infringements, they should've just reduced the interchanges to 6.

the high tackle crackdown is terribly inconsistent. the intent is correct but the approach is completely wrong. if they fix it quickly then there'll be less issues. if players are slipping or falling into tackles, it is clearly an accident from the defender. yet again the officials aren't using common sense.

finally, yes there were two blowout scores this weekend, but both WT and the Titans are quite literally horrendous. our right edge couldn't keep out 20 points in Ron Massey Cup at this rate, and the titans aren't much better. look at who both teams were playing. Melbourne, who play the most sickeningly quick football I think I've ever seen, and Manly, who possess the single greatest attacking threat I think the game has ever seen. there's no need to panic.

 

[tigerballs]

Yes. It is ruined. Forget that WT were being belted 40-0 or whatever it was at H/T. Forget the Titans leaking 48 second half points. But do not forget the team coming 2nd beat the team coming 5th by scoring 38 unanswered points on Friday night. If thats not a warning of where things are going then let this be:

My father has watched every game of footy since they have been covered on pay tv. He used to attend every Balmain game in person until work and other commitments forced that to change. (used to drag us kids along too, hence the life of misery as a WT supporter) Now he has reached the point of watching no games ( Except ours), or at the very least switching them off very early. Why does this matter? Because the old saying is for every complaint you know about, there are 7 more you don't. I'm In the same boat as him so theres 14 and i know quite a lot of other people saying the same thing. If people stop watching then advertisers don't pay the money for the product....everyone knows where this is heading.
Despite some of the ridiculous sin binnings this year, the problem is in the 6 agains. Games are absolutely being "managed" by officials. I don't believe they are deliberately doing it, but by waving 6 again there is no accountability, it's easy to do and it creates a snowball effect. If they get them wrong it can be catastrophic to come back from.
PVL has many good attributes, but his willingness to change rules on whim is unacceptable and needs to stop before too many people walk away.

It’s not just the six agains, it’s inconsistency across the board, usually at the expense of the lesser teams. How do you explain Blore going to the bin for pulling the jumper of a player no where near the play versus Papali’i tackling Laurie in the air after he’s fumbled for not only no penalty but a try awarded? I’m over it.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

I suppose the question is do you watch more league now or less? I use to watch at least 3/4 games every weekend including the WT.

Last weekend i watched Panthers/Roosters till they ran away with it and only 16 mins of the Storm/WT game.

I understand that they are trying to look after the players long term welfare but with one ref again the speed increased i think refs are making lots of incorrect decisions.
How many times does the Captains challenge work in favour now. They are too incosistant with decisions aroung high shots. 10 in the bin. warning, send off that these decisions influence the result not the players.

In a nutshell when the refs decide who will win the fans are no longer interested in the contest, it will only change when ratings drop and the the sponsors say not interested in the product anymore, i know i am less interested.

 

[Crucible]

I have just two words for the Vlandys haters. TODD GREENBERG.

 

[Geo]

If Wests Tigers we’re leading the competition and putting 50 on the teams it would be the greatest game of all…

 

[TigerWest]

If Wests Tigers we’re leading the competition and putting 50 on the teams it would be the greatest game of all…

Yes, 50% of the teams vote yes, the other 50% vote no, every week😂

 

[jirskyr]

PVL has always said, if new strategies don't work, he will readily change them. Interesting to see how this season and the offseason pan out.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if ratings are taking a big hit. There aren't enough quality games because of the landslides, and I definitely watch less footy. One of the reasons ESL is harder to watch than NRL, for me, is it's too much like touch football at times, and that is what NRL is 2021.

Prime example Roosters v Panthers, 2nd vs 5th. Tough contest for about 20 mins, then Penrith just wound up and put Roosters away. No point watching the last 20 mins really. Roosters might be under-strength but they should still be expected to give some starch in defence.

Although I'm concerned that the 6-again is not entirely to blame, and I wonder if they go back to the old penalty system if things would definitely change? The 6-again is an easy scapegoat. It may simply be there are a significant # of teams in a slump, much like the world is right now, and there really are only 2 or 3 contenders.

 

[JC99]

PVL has always said, if new strategies don't work, he will readily change them. Interesting to see how this season and the offseason pan out.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if ratings are taking a big hit. There aren't enough quality games because of the landslides, and I definitely watch less footy. One of the reasons ESL is harder to watch than NRL, for me, is it's too much like touch football at times, and that is what NRL is 2021.

Prime example Roosters v Panthers, 2nd vs 5th. Tough contest for about 20 mins, then Penrith just wound up and put Roosters away. No point watching the last 20 mins really. Roosters might be under-strength but they should still be expected to give some starch in defence.

Although I'm concerned that the 6-again is not entirely to blame, and I wonder if they go back to the old penalty system if things would definitely change? The 6-again is an easy scapegoat. It may simply be there are a significant # of teams in a slump, much like the world is right now, and there really are only 2 or 3 contenders.

Unfortunately when you're running a major sports franchise, you can't just try rules without consulting anyone about it because if they fail (like they have) it's terrible for the game. In fact all he has done is make excuses and try to make it seem like his rules are good

Look at the rosters of Souths and eels, absolute gun teams yet both have been flogged by Melbourne - obviously Melbourne are a great team but once a team is ahead and has momentum it's extremely difficult for the other team to turn that around and get back into a game especially against good teams.

 

[the_third]

PVL has always said, if new strategies don't work, he will readily change them. Interesting to see how this season and the offseason pan out.

Unfortunately when you're running a major sports franchise, you can't just try rules without consulting anyone about it because if they fail (like they have) it's terrible for the game. In fact all he has done is make excuses and try to make it seem like his rules are good


Teams have already started shaping rosters for these rules, it's pathetic if they just get reversed and clubs are yet again at a disadvantage. It won't hurt the clubs with good rosters, only those struggling to move up the ladder.

 

[JC99]

PVL has always said, if new strategies don't work, he will readily change them. Interesting to see how this season and the offseason pan out.





Unfortunately when you're running a major sports franchise, you can't just try rules without consulting anyone about it because if they fail (like they have) it's terrible for the game. In fact all he has done is make excuses and try to make it seem like his rules are good


Teams have already started shaping rosters for these rules, it's pathetic if they just get reversed and clubs are yet again at a disadvantage. It won't hurt the clubs with good rosters, only those struggling to move up the ladder.

It was unfair to change the rules on such short notice in the first place and it needs to be fixed - can't just stick with bad rules because teams have signed a few players up.

I'm hopeful PVL will be gone at years end and we can get back to normality

 

[the_third]

PVL has always said, if new strategies don't work, he will readily change them. Interesting to see how this season and the offseason pan out.





Unfortunately when you're running a major sports franchise, you can't just try rules without consulting anyone about it because if they fail (like they have) it's terrible for the game. In fact all he has done is make excuses and try to make it seem like his rules are good


Teams have already started shaping rosters for these rules, it's pathetic if they just get reversed and clubs are yet again at a disadvantage. It won't hurt the clubs with good rosters, only those struggling to move up the ladder.

It was unfair to change the rules on such short notice in the first place and it needs to be fixed - can't just stick with bad rules because teams have signed a few players up.

I'm hopeful PVL will be gone at years end and we can get back to normality

yeah agree with that. I way trying (pre coffee) to say that mid season rules are terrible, in reality it should be mid season for the following season - while teams make roster decisions.

I work far better in the window after coffee and before a beer

 

[Goldust]

Has Valandys ruined the game? 100% yes .
Go on social media and most comments regardless of who you support are complaints about on field decisions.
Most people I speak with,friends,family,work colleagues all have said how much they don’t like watching footy atm.
I usually watch most games,but at the moment it’s even a struggle to watch our boys play.
Definitely not the game most people fell in love with.

 

[hank37w]

80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys and his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…

Manly had 10 consecutive sets at one stage ..

His next change will be to bring back the unlimited tackle rule. Sometimes it looks like it's already back in.

 

[JC99]

PVL has always said, if new strategies don't work, he will readily change them. Interesting to see how this season and the offseason pan out.





Unfortunately when you're running a major sports franchise, you can't just try rules without consulting anyone about it because if they fail (like they have) it's terrible for the game. In fact all he has done is make excuses and try to make it seem like his rules are good


Teams have already started shaping rosters for these rules, it's pathetic if they just get reversed and clubs are yet again at a disadvantage. It won't hurt the clubs with good rosters, only those struggling to move up the ladder.

It was unfair to change the rules on such short notice in the first place and it needs to be fixed - can't just stick with bad rules because teams have signed a few players up.

I'm hopeful PVL will be gone at years end and we can get back to normality


yeah agree with that. I way trying (pre coffee) to say that mid season rules are terrible, in reality it should be mid season for the following season - while teams make roster decisions.

I work far better in the window after coffee and before a beer

I get you, can't just change rules mid season that impact the game. Should be a fair warning like you said