Has Valandys ruined the game?

[Telltails]

Another thread wanting to disguise the complete incompetence of the WT's

None of us would give a crap if we were on the top of the table

Simple answer again ...start winning games ...buy better players ......

Dont think this is just a Wests Tigers problem. Queenslands premier club is in the worst position it has ever been in and have discovered it wasn't just Siebold being a dud. I don't give a rat's about The Broncos but the NRL do and when they are in the position they are in with no solutions and assets to buy the best of the best their is a problem.

 

[Snake]

I am with everyone else about the blow outs ..I also think there is more to this than just the rule changes .
What's happening now has just been high lighted by these changes .
Clubs with average rosters ..Coaching quality for me is a big one . I have no problem with the head knock rule it needs adjusting for accidental contact , I am not a real fan of the six again as this allows the ref to control the flow of a game this could be adjusted as well in the off season .
There is more to this just not the rule changes.

 

[rustycage]

I reckon of everything I've heard the last 2 years, Tim Sheens may have had the best suggestion yet to be tried out - give the conceding side the ball after a try.

The 6-again was introduced to reduce stoppages and add fatigue, also reduce the fuss over ruck interpretations for the preference of keeping the game flowing. "Opening up" matches means points, and currently that seems to mean that one side piles on points whilst the other dies, rather than an even-share of attack.

V'Landys said himself that the rule may indeed be showing the gulf between good and bad sides, but he wasn't about to remove the rule simply because some teams weren't good enough to still compete. He wants the ordinary teams to learn to be as good as the good ones, rather than reinstating or maintaining rules that keep bad sides competitive.

And on that one he may be correct - **if we repealed the 6-agains and suddenly the contests got tighter, that might make for improved viewing, but would it be hollow at all to know the bad sides got more competitive because they took a rule away? It may be that the teams will adjust in another season or two, like they always seem to do when some system or rule becomes periodically dominant.**

I would argue if many teams, not just the dud ones, are battling to stem the tide of possession under current rules, but the rules were introduced with a specific intent, then if we consider Sheens' proposal, to let conceding sides take possession, then we remove the instant ability for a dominant side to roll down field set after set after set? You give the conceding side at least one set to play themselves back into the match in standard kick-off conditions, rather than giving the dominant team the ball back every time.

No I don't think so, because continuing the altering of rules that benefit the good teams isn't in the best interests of the game. It's in the best interests of the few.

 

[Curaeus]

The defence that Vlandys trots out is that the rule changes were needed to better protect players from the impact of tackles; legal or otherwise. The sub-text seems to be that if the rules didn't change there would be a mountain of claims for damages from affected players in the years ahead. That is, Vlandys is ensuring the future existence and sustainability of the game by changing the rules and the authority of refs to better mitigate the impact of head injuries in the game.

What complete and utter CR*P.

Players would have been affected by the brutal contact nature of the game ever since it started. Where is the moutain of claims for compensation from those players?

I really hope that those who have recently retired and who feel their health has been negatively impacted by playing the game, DO instigate an individual or class action against the NRL and Vlandys.

The Great Destroyer (PVL) has forecast it as a future issue. Well, it's an issue now and, if the rubbish that he trots out as as a reason to change the rules in the midst of the season is true, then it was true before then too. He is, effectively, admitting negligence in not protecting the health of players in 2019, 2020 and the start of this season!!

We need a coup. ASAP. PVL must go.

V'Landys should stick to racehorses. Something he apparently knows a little about!

 

[tig_prmz]

I've supported the game through the head high crackdowns and I get what they're trying to do.

However, Penrith vs Roosters and Parramatta vs Bulldogs.. once it reached the blow out stage, I **stopped watching.** I've actually never got bored of a game that I turned it off until now.

IDK what the answer is and if they start implementing changes again, it would be too much.

 

[tig_prmz]

I am with everyone else about the blow outs ..I also think there is more to this than just the rule changes .
What's happening now has just been high lighted by these changes .
Clubs with average rosters ..Coaching quality for me is a big one . I have no problem with the head knock rule it needs adjusting for accidental contact , I am not a real fan of the six again as this allows the ref to control the flow of a game this could be adjusted as well in the off season .
There is more to this just not the rule changes.

To put it simply, rule changes have exposed the difference in class. The classier team will win.

I have always thought of RL as a tough, non compromising sport, based on big hits and winning the ruck. There are no rucks anymore, it's just simply run, submit, play the ball and score.

You can't defend to victory now.

 

[jirskyr]

Players would have been affected by the brutal contact nature of the game ever since it started. Where is the moutain of claims for compensation from those players?

Arguably it's on its way. NFL is staring down the barrell of USD 1B in concussion payouts but the groundswell of action is recent, only the last few years.

Also the timing - when nobody knew about the concussion risks, you can't necessarily mount a legal case against them. Once the evidence and risks become more clear, the legal culpability rises very quickly.

It's like saying you can be more forgiving about cigarette companies when they didn't know ciggies hugely increased cancer risk, but not once they found that out.

 

[Kiama Tiger]

When V’Landys took over he did a great job in keeping the game going but then his ego started to make decisions that it was not qualified for. Unfortunately I could see this coming because a leopard does not change it's spots.

 

[happy_tiger]

Another thread wanting to disguise the complete incompetence of the WT's

None of us would give a crap if we were on the top of the table

Simple answer again ...start winning games ...buy better players ......

Dont think this is just a Wests Tigers problem. Queenslands premier club is in the worst position it has ever been in and have discovered it wasn't just Siebold being a dud. I don't give a rat's about The Broncos but the NRL do and when they are in the position they are in with no solutions and assets to buy the best of the best their is a problem.

Broncos have made poor decisions in recruitment ...I think having so many players to choose from can create problems

 

[TigerTownSFS]

Not sure how they back out of these rules but it’s clear something needs to change. The fact that even origin was a blow out shows that the new rules create a unfair advantage to some teams when they get on top. West’s tigers went an eternity without touching the ball on Saturday and it was the same with the Titans on Sunday. It’s easy to say those teams just need to be better but when a team is gassed or has a player in the bin it is just impossible to defend.

1) they need to be more consistent in how the referee head knocks. Rugby has a very clear system that means it’s at least consistent.
2) they need to revert to penalties for infringements in your own half. Sides giving away 6 agains early in the count isn’t what the rules should be trying to encourage. The referees aren’t held accountable for the 6 again calls so removing the situations that can call them is an improvement.
3) I think they should consider making the scoring team kick off after a try is scored. This will at least give a defending team a chance to arrest the momentum.

 

[the_third]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/the-2021-nrl-season-is-beyond-saving-and-fans-know-it/news-story/9696b58d01b98f380d542f460822e197


The 2021 NRL season is beyond saving and fans know it

Fans are revolting against the NRL and two tweets show exactly why the game needs to hit the panic button, blow it up and start again.


Tyson Otto
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JUNE 21, 202110:25AM
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A perfect storm of blunders has turned rugby league into an unwatchable game right now.
In the blink of an eye, Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys has gone from the saviour of the NRL to the man who has pushed it into a position where it is beyond saving this season.
As shown by rugby league guru Phil Gould over the weekend, fans are revolting. Much worse, anger has turned to an apathetic disillusionment and televisions being turned off.
The NRL’s instant crackdown has caused outrage across the game with many contests being decided by the amount of sin-binned players.
The sin-bin coinciding with the set re-start rules introduced last year to speed up the game means it only takes a spark of momentum for teams to pile on points in the space of a few minutes.
This weekend alone, the Rabbitohs beat the Broncos 46-0, the Panthers beat the Roosters 38-12, the Storm beat the Tigers 66-16 and the Eels beat the Bulldogs 36-10.
Last weekend Manly beat the Tigers 50-18. The Storm beat the Warriors 42-16 and the Eels beat the Tigers 40-12.
The volatile rule changes has have coincided by some clubs being completely unsuited to the increased speed of the game, while other clubs have simply bottled their recruitment and salary cap punishment. The Bulldogs are 2-12 for the season, the Broncos are 3-12. The Tigers and Titans have also been basket-cases at 5-10.
Among the outrage this weekend, comments from rugby league reporters Steve Zemek and Phil Lutton best sum-up the broken trust between fans and the game.
Zemek posted on Twitter: “I’ve never been so disengaged with the NRL. There are only two teams that can win the comp.
“The haves are so far in front of the have-nots it’s become hopelessly boring. 95% of games are irrelevant. NRL needs an urgent investigation.”
Lutton responded: “This is correct. Quite simply the rule changes have made it unwatchable. What point is fast football without even the hint of a contest?”
The rot started as early as Round 1.
Last year the NRL unveiled a suite of rule changes introduced with a view towards “less stoppages, more unpredictability and increased excitement for our fans”.
Last season’s “six-again” rule for ruck infringements sped the game up considerably and rugby league bosses have gone even further this year. Being offside within 10m now results in six more tackles, rather than a full-blown penalty, while scrums have been ditched in favour of play-the-balls when the ball or a player goes over the sideline.
The Storm enjoyed the rule changes against the Tigers this weekend.
The Storm enjoyed the rule changes against the Tigers this weekend.Source:The Daily Telegraph
NRL great Brett Finch earlier this year also went nuclear on the NRL’s rule changes, exposing the ridiculous mistake the game made when introducing the foul play crack down.
Three send-offs, 14 sin bins and 13 weeks worth of suspensions was the result in the first weekend of matches in May.
Finch revealed the ripple effect of crackdown and how it has completely cancelled out the exact thing the new enforcement of the rules was designed to do.
“By speeding the game up there’s going to be more fatigue,” Finch said on former NRL player Denan Kemp’s Bloke In A Bar podcast.
“With more fatigue comes errors. That’s in terms of with the ball, that’s in terms of missed tackles, that’s in terms of tackles that can go wrong or poor technique that can create high tackles. Now the crazy thing about this is, he (V’landys) wants to nullify it, so he’s going to sin bin people and send people off. Guess what that’s going to create? More fatigue. There’s going to be less people on the field. They’re going to have to work harder. More fatigue. Bigger score blow outs. It’s ridiculous. He doesn’t know what he’s doing.”

 

[hobbo1]

Another thread wanting to disguise the complete incompetence of the WT's

None of us would give a crap if we were on the top of the table

Simple answer again ...start winning games ...buy better players ......

“Balls in trees”

 

[Furious1]

Yes. It is ruined. Forget that WT were being belted 40-0 or whatever it was at H/T. Forget the Titans leaking 48 second half points. But do not forget the team coming 2nd beat the team coming 5th by scoring 38 unanswered points on Friday night. If thats not a warning of where things are going then let this be:

My father has watched every game of footy since they have been covered on pay tv. He used to attend every Balmain game in person until work and other commitments forced that to change. (used to drag us kids along too, hence the life of misery as a WT supporter) Now he has reached the point of watching no games ( Except ours), or at the very least switching them off very early. Why does this matter? Because the old saying is for every complaint you know about, there are 7 more you don't. I'm In the same boat as him so theres 14 and i know quite a lot of other people saying the same thing. If people stop watching then advertisers don't pay the money for the product....everyone knows where this is heading.
Despite some of the ridiculous sin binnings this year, the problem is in the 6 agains. Games are absolutely being "managed" by officials. I don't believe they are deliberately doing it, but by waving 6 again there is no accountability, it's easy to do and it creates a snowball effect. If they get them wrong it can be catastrophic to come back from.
PVL has many good attributes, but his willingness to change rules on whim is unacceptable and needs to stop before too many people walk away.

 

[TrueTiger]

PVL should really go back to the basics this game was BUILT on...true rugby league games where hookers had to hook for the ball,pass back instead of flat or forward,play the ball where the marker can play at the ball to retrieve possecion,ball player could tap the ball forward if no marker,a shepherd was a true shepherd with no grey area as it is now...I could go on but....it is what it is...
They could still have HIA protocols as well as penalties for foul play or deliberate slowing down of the ruck such as wrestle etc...

I will let myself out,was just having a memory splurge...

 

[clokan]

Another thread wanting to disguise the complete incompetence of the WT's

None of us would give a crap if we were on the top of the table

Simple answer again ...start winning games ...buy better players ......

I don’t agree. Yes, I’d be happier if we were winning games but my love of the game is waining. I still watch all Wests Tigers games, but this year I’m less likely to watch other teams. Fridays Penrith v Roosters should have been a blockbuster, it wasn’t. We’ve seen a Top 4 team get 50 put on them and plenty of lop sided games.

 

[Tiger Tarl]

Last weekend Manly beat the Tigers 50-18. The Storm beat the Warriors 42-16 and the Eels beat the Tigers 40-12.

I know we weren't going great but to lose two games against two different teams in the same weekend...

 

[rustycage]

PVL should really go back to the basics this game was BUILT on...true rugby league games where hookers had to hook for the ball,pass back instead of flat or forward,play the ball where the marker can play at the ball to retrieve possecion,ball player could tap the ball forward if no marker,a shepherd was a true shepherd with no grey area as it is now...I could go on but....it is what it is...
They could still have HIA protocols as well as penalties for foul play or deliberate slowing down of the ruck such as wrestle etc...

I will let myself out,was just having a memory splurge...

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[Newtown]

80 points in the Manly v Titans game, 82 points in the Tigers v Storm game, blowout scores every weekend. Has Valandys ani am not referring d his rule changes ruined the game ?…he says he wants to introduce more entertainment in the game, I don’t think so. I preferred the tight close games of the past years….the current game has become glorified touch…

Manly had 10 consecutive sets at one stage ..

Its the Monster that V'Landy's has created. What fun is there for followers of teams subjected to the blatant defiencies of his autocratic new rules for the once great game of rugby league. I am not referring to the head injury rules but to the new rules such as six again and many others he has instigated which do no more than take the fun out of rugby league.

 

[wicked_j]

Last weekend **Manly beat the Tigers 50-18**. The Storm beat the Warriors 42-16 and the **Eels beat the Tigers 40-12**.

How bad are Tigers that they can lose convincingly twice in one round!

 

[jadtiger]

Last weekend **Manly beat the Tigers 50-18**. The Storm beat the Warriors 42-16 and the **Eels beat the Tigers 40-12**.

How bad are Tigers that they can lose convincingly twice in one round!

Too tired from the first game