Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...

[Spacecub]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
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It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

So just out of interest where do you think we should have finished this season?

That's hard to say telltails I actually think we have a better squad, than cronulla, they look like finishing in the 8....they have had a pretty disrupted year, Johnny Morris has done a pretty good job

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

So just out of interest where do you think we should have finished this season?

That's hard to say telltails I actually think we have a better squad, than cronulla, they look like finishing in the 8....they have had a pretty disrupted year, Johnny Morris has done a pretty good job

That Cronulla team , lapped the junior leagues a few years back . That crop has had huge raps for a long time .

 

[JC99]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

So just out of interest where do you think we should have finished this season?

That's hard to say telltails I actually think we have a better squad, than cronulla, they look like finishing in the 8....they have had a pretty disrupted year, Johnny Morris has done a pretty good job

That Cronulla team , lapped the junior leagues a few years back . That crop has had huge raps for a long time .

Those guys who came up from the Newtown Jets are terrific. Kennedy, Rudolf, the young halves and the others.

Add in Shaun Johnson in career best form and a bunch of other very strong forwards and some quality outside backs and their squad is miles ahead of ours on paper. We still managed to beat them though

 

[TheKhan]

The players are crap

No one wants to come to us

The rebuild will take years

Get used to it

I honestly struggle to understand how so many people don't get this

 

[Tim Sheens]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

So just out of interest where do you think we should have finished this season?

I can't speak for others, but would expect a newish coach to have their side perform better than the previous years with some preferred squad changes, along with a revamped off field team.

 

[twentyforty]

There is not another coach in the competition who has so much money tied up in the wrong players.Until it is rectified we are are going to be handicapped. And please don't bring up JT because his roster at the time would run rings around this one. The one thing I think Maguire can lament is BJ - a risk that hasn't paid off at this point.

What about the roster was better? We had Tedesco, that’s it. We also had Lovett, Rankin, Buchanan, Milone, Edwards etc.If I took your post back in time to 2016, people would be splitting their sides.


The value of Teddy to any team is immeasurable - we would be a much better team with him now. Brooks played twice as good with Teddy at the back. We had some go forward with Woods and Tapau ( whom Taylor let go for Balin) JAC Simona and Moses for speed and the nucleus of decent spine to play behind and draw other players to the club - even with the plodders.

Taupau was not here in 2016. Moses was a rookie who was on par with Brooks now. Simona wasn’t better than our current centres. current centres JAC played all of 5 games.

With the job Payten and Holbrook are doing, I wouldn’t have thought any of Maguire’s defenders would have the hide to complain about his cattle.

Simona was a great centre and at one point our winning record was dependant on when he played
JAC only player when he did because Rankin was selected ahead of him. But you can't ignore the Teddy factor and his value to the team or any team
I will defend Maguire while our cap is the mess it's in. As I have said numerous time I can't see one other team in the comp that has there highest money earners as their worst contributers. When that is corrected he will be judged like all other coaches - by results. I will add the Titans pack would eat ours up and spit them out - no surprise at all how Holbrook has got them going.
As for Payten - "jobs for the boys, whiteanter" -
we could have had him, no problem with me.

Hate to break it to you, but all bar Reynolds and Packer, this is Madge’s team. He’s signed them all.

Got to add Mbye as well, though he did make him captain, so that alsi makes him a choice.

Mbye is a reluctant captain. Didn’t want the job to interfere with his family life.

 

[HowDugWT]

The worst thing we can do rn is get rid of Madge. Because whoever comes will want to rebuild the club. Madge just has to clean up the trash Ivan left. We need to keep faith.

 

[Spacecub]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

Mate, you have always been a very good poster on this forum but this dislike for Madge is really tainting your posts. I really hope this dislike isn't coming from where I think it is.

I don't have a personal dislike for him conchise...hes probably a lovely bloke, I'm purely judging him on results...

 

[hobbo1]

The morning after rants 😂

 

[Aubanon]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

Mate, you have always been a very good poster on this forum but this dislike for Madge is really tainting your posts. I really hope this dislike isn't coming from where I think it is.

I don't have a personal dislike for him conchise...hes probably a lovely bloke, I'm purely judging him on results...

I'm frustrated at the results too. But I see it as some blokes have just given up.

That's not on the coach, that's on the individual.

 

[Telltails]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

So just out of interest where do you think we should have finished this season?

I can't speak for others, but would expect a newish coach to have their side perform better than the previous years with some preferred squad changes, along with a revamped off field team.

Sounds fair but doesn't assess the fact whether the teams that finish ahead of us do so because they have superior rosters to ours, and when I look at them fairly I would have to say that they all do.

 

[tiger05premier]

The players are crap

No one wants to come to us

The rebuild will take years

Get used to it


I honestly struggle to understand how so many people don't get this

It sux but it's the way it is

 

[GNR4LIFE]

There is not another coach in the competition who has so much money tied up in the wrong players.Until it is rectified we are are going to be handicapped. And please don't bring up JT because his roster at the time would run rings around this one. The one thing I think Maguire can lament is BJ - a risk that hasn't paid off at this point.

What about the roster was better? We had Tedesco, that’s it. We also had Lovett, Rankin, Buchanan, Milone, Edwards etc.If I took your post back in time to 2016, people would be splitting their sides.


The value of Teddy to any team is immeasurable - we would be a much better team with him now. Brooks played twice as good with Teddy at the back. We had some go forward with Woods and Tapau ( whom Taylor let go for Balin) JAC Simona and Moses for speed and the nucleus of decent spine to play behind and draw other players to the club - even with the plodders.

Taupau was not here in 2016. Moses was a rookie who was on par with Brooks now. Simona wasn’t better than our current centres. current centres JAC played all of 5 games.

With the job Payten and Holbrook are doing, I wouldn’t have thought any of Maguire’s defenders would have the hide to complain about his cattle.

Simona was a great centre and at one point our winning record was dependant on when he played
JAC only player when he did because Rankin was selected ahead of him. But you can't ignore the Teddy factor and his value to the team or any team
I will defend Maguire while our cap is the mess it's in. As I have said numerous time I can't see one other team in the comp that has there highest money earners as their worst contributers. When that is corrected he will be judged like all other coaches - by results. I will add the Titans pack would eat ours up and spit them out - no surprise at all how Holbrook has got them going.
As for Payten - "jobs for the boys, whiteanter" -
we could have had him, no problem with me.

Hate to break it to you, but all bar Reynolds and Packer, this is Madge’s team. He’s signed them all.

You are not breaking anything to me. Reynolds and Packer are two of our highest earners and yet they contribute squat. It's a massive handicap and no good for balance. The players know what they are on while they cop the hidings for poor performances - these two can barely make the run on squad yet take home the big bucks.

Sorry, but it’s a cop out. Payten has had half his squad go back to NZ, and is using scraps from other clubs, and they are competing every week. But that doesn’t compare to poor Madge who has to deal with 2 players who are overpaid.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Brooks had a really good 2019 as well let’s not forget. Was like top 3 for try assists and his short kicking again was excellent.

Bloke just seems lost this year.

A lot of this goes to coaching decisions for mine, though I also see that Maguire has addressed this in the weeks prior to him missing this weekend, expecting that the change of approach will see his form continue to improve and return to where it was.

 

[JC99]

Brooks had a really good 2019 as well let’s not forget. Was like top 3 for try assists and his short kicking again was excellent.

Bloke just seems lost this year.

A lot of this goes to coaching decisions for mine, though I also see that Maguire has addressed this in the weeks prior to him missing this weekend, expecting that the change of approach will see his form continue to improve and return to where it was.

His last few games were definitely his best games of the season and hopefully he can play okay next week and build into next season.

 

[Spacecub]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

Mate, you have always been a very good poster on this forum but this dislike for Madge is really tainting your posts. I really hope this dislike isn't coming from where I think it is.

I don't have a personal dislike for him conchise...hes probably a lovely bloke, I'm purely judging him on results...

I'm frustrated at the results too. But I see it as some blokes have just given up.

That's not on the coach, that's on the individual.

I think they have given up on Maguire, bulldogs and titans players are still having a go, with basically nothing to play for

 

[Goanna57]

we don't have the cattle, we have a centre playing fullback and we have no halves.............not much he can do



How about he just gets us to compete, like Holbrook has done at titans and Payten with the warriors with a side that as players coming and going every week


we were competing and then the wheels fell off after the Bronco's game................as for the Titans a -147 for and against doesn't suggest they have been competing very well, but yes the Warriors went up a gear with Payten, however that was a change of coach which clearly helped..............it's never helped us in the past

Are the titans now above us ? But there not competing better

 

[GNR4LIFE]

There is not another coach in the competition who has so much money tied up in the wrong players.Until it is rectified we are are going to be handicapped. And please don't bring up JT because his roster at the time would run rings around this one. The one thing I think Maguire can lament is BJ - a risk that hasn't paid off at this point.

What about the roster was better? We had Tedesco, that’s it. We also had Lovett, Rankin, Buchanan, Milone, Edwards etc.If I took your post back in time to 2016, people would be splitting their sides.


The value of Teddy to any team is immeasurable - we would be a much better team with him now. Brooks played twice as good with Teddy at the back. We had some go forward with Woods and Tapau ( whom Taylor let go for Balin) JAC Simona and Moses for speed and the nucleus of decent spine to play behind and draw other players to the club - even with the plodders.

Taupau was not here in 2016. Moses was a rookie who was on par with Brooks now. Simona wasn’t better than our current centres. current centres JAC played all of 5 games.

With the job Payten and Holbrook are doing, I wouldn’t have thought any of Maguire’s defenders would have the hide to complain about his cattle.

Simona was a great centre and at one point our winning record was dependant on when he played
JAC only player when he did because Rankin was selected ahead of him. But you can't ignore the Teddy factor and his value to the team or any team
I will defend Maguire while our cap is the mess it's in. As I have said numerous time I can't see one other team in the comp that has there highest money earners as their worst contributers. When that is corrected he will be judged like all other coaches - by results. I will add the Titans pack would eat ours up and spit them out - no surprise at all how Holbrook has got them going.
As for Payten - "jobs for the boys, whiteanter" -
we could have had him, no problem with me.

Hate to break it to you, but all bar Reynolds and Packer, this is Madge’s team. He’s signed them all.




And Mbye , and eisenhuth , and Taylor , and seyfarth , and Smith , and nofa , and Clarke , and McQueen , and McIntyre, and Mikalele ... you’re right , apart from those 2 .

Fine. But half those you mentioned are pulling their weight anyway. The ones that aren’t aren’t draining the cap and will be gone next week.

 

[izotope]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

So just out of interest where do you think we should have finished this season?

That's hard to say telltails I actually think we have a better squad, than cronulla, they look like finishing in the 8....they have had a pretty disrupted year, Johnny Morris has done a pretty good job

Almost every player in cronulla would be a walk up starters in our team.

 

[Geo]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love to see our roster under a Bennett, Bellyache, Robinson or Flanagan, I think it will be plainly evident that it's not the players
>
It's not the players?? Are you serious? A fair few of these plodders have had more than one coach in their tenure at WT.
It's 100% the players. Starting with the myth of all myths Brooks.

I don't think it is the players honky, Brooks won half of the year not long back,so he obviously has ability...There's only one myth in this club and that's Maguire, but I except your opinion

Mate, you have always been a very good poster on this forum but this dislike for Madge is really tainting your posts. I really hope this dislike isn't coming from where I think it is.

I don't have a personal dislike for him conchise...hes probably a lovely bloke, I'm purely judging him on results...

I'm frustrated at the results too. But I see it as some blokes have just given up.

That's not on the coach, that's on the individual.

I think they have given up on Maguire, bulldogs and titans players are still having a go, with basically nothing to play for

I think we need players who don't give up no matter who the coach is then...

Maybe if they played for personal pride in themselves we would be better off..

If they need a Coach to 'play for' ..they are not the right 'players' and should be shown the door irrespective