Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...

[happy_tiger]

The game plan was fine . We got behind because of arm grabbing and brain farts in the defensive line . Like Joey twice going in for no reason when it was clear the fullback was getting the ball as it was 3 on 3 . We looked much stronger when Musgrove went out there . At the moment it’s a good josh Aloai run follows by a plodding nothing run by one of our forwards. Also Doueihi tonight once again showed , if he moves to the centre full time he is going to be a real weapon. (Yes I know he played 1 tonight )

Douei is clearly not a fullback, out of position, slow to turn, doesn't run the ball back.He is a good smart center. If JAC came to 1 it would solve a few headaches...

I have a feeling JAC will sign with Souths

Yeah the conversation this week should be absolutely hilarious ....Pascoe rings ....JAC laughs says "add 50 k per try " and has a season ending foofer valve injury 10 minutes later

 

[tony soprano]

Someone explain the logic...

We have young centers who desperately need games at center.
We have a young winger who needs to develop combos with them.
We have nothing to lose / season done...

PERFECT game to play Talau or Hoffman...

And...
We play Lawrence.

That just killed all faith I had left.

It makes no sense on every level right now and even less looking at 2021.

He played Talau last week and all everyone did after was want to trade him out.

I am not a big Talau fan...but you had to think of 2021 and let the kid at least get some games. What did playing Lawrence do to help 2021? It made zero difference tonight. But i expected the coach to at least have an eye on 2021.

You won't get an argument from me on thinking about 21. I hate and i mean absolutely hate Liddle being left on the bench until 17 mins to go when he will be our hooker next year. Lawrence has less mobility than a one legged dog. He would never ever be playing centre in my side but i'm not the coach and i don't know what the plan is. What i do know is we have changed lots of coaches and got the same results over and over, so maybe the club is doing the right thing by backing the coach and looking elsewhere to solve its problems of which i believe there are many. ( but not for this topic)

Ok that break Rowdy made I thought was the quickest I saw him run in about 9 seasons ...maybe I hit 30 x on the Fox remote lol

Was it a bad pass or bad wing?

 

[hobbo1]

The game plan was fine . We got behind because of arm grabbing and brain farts in the defensive line . Like Joey twice going in for no reason when it was clear the fullback was getting the ball as it was 3 on 3 . We looked much stronger when Musgrove went out there . At the moment it’s a good josh Aloai run follows by a plodding nothing run by one of our forwards. Also Doueihi tonight once again showed , if he moves to the centre full time he is going to be a real weapon. (Yes I know he played 1 tonight )


But that Benji/ Joey/ Nofa 'corridor' has been open all year and zero adjustments. Nothing.

I’ve said it already . Benji gone , Joey next to brooks and that should go a long way to fixing the defensive issues. But it’s pretty obvious what the issue is . A backrower with a little pace can get on the outside of benji , creating all kinds of issues . And mikaleles arm grabbing , with Garner. That whole side needs new players

Joey ain’t going nowhere
He’s here to stay $$$$

I never said he was. I said move to the other side of the field , next to someone he trusts can make a one on one tackle.

I wouldn’t have him on any edges at all ..
I’d have him up the middle.

He’s big enough!

 

[happy_tiger]

Someone explain the logic...

We have young centers who desperately need games at center.
We have a young winger who needs to develop combos with them.
We have nothing to lose / season done...

PERFECT game to play Talau or Hoffman...

And...
We play Lawrence.

That just killed all faith I had left.

It makes no sense on every level right now and even less looking at 2021.

He played Talau last week and all everyone did after was want to trade him out.

I am not a big Talau fan...but you had to think of 2021 and let the kid at least get some games. What did playing Lawrence do to help 2021? It made zero difference tonight. But i expected the coach to at least have an eye on 2021.

You won't get an argument from me on thinking about 21. I hate and i mean absolutely hate Liddle being left on the bench until 17 mins to go when he will be our hooker next year. Lawrence has less mobility than a one legged dog. He would never ever be playing centre in my side but i'm not the coach and i don't know what the plan is. What i do know is we have changed lots of coaches and got the same results over and over, so maybe the club is doing the right thing by backing the coach and looking elsewhere to solve its problems of which i believe there are many. ( but not for this topic)

Ok that break Rowdy made I thought was the quickest I saw him run in about 9 seasons ...maybe I hit 30 x on the Fox remote lol

Was it a bad pass or bad wing?

Bad positional play from AJ ...too deep in my opinion

 

[hobbo1]

Someone explain the logic...

We have young centers who desperately need games at center.
We have a young winger who needs to develop combos with them.
We have nothing to lose / season done...

PERFECT game to play Talau or Hoffman...

And...
We play Lawrence.

That just killed all faith I had left.

It makes no sense on every level right now and even less looking at 2021.

He played Talau last week and all everyone did after was want to trade him out.

I am not a big Talau fan...but you had to think of 2021 and let the kid at least get some games. What did playing Lawrence do to help 2021? It made zero difference tonight. But i expected the coach to at least have an eye on 2021.

You won't get an argument from me on thinking about 21. I hate and i mean absolutely hate Liddle being left on the bench until 17 mins to go when he will be our hooker next year. Lawrence has less mobility than a one legged dog. He would never ever be playing centre in my side but i'm not the coach and i don't know what the plan is. What i do know is we have changed lots of coaches and got the same results over and over, so maybe the club is doing the right thing by backing the coach and looking elsewhere to solve its problems of which i believe there are many. ( but not for this topic)

Ok that break Rowdy made I thought was the quickest I saw him run in about 9 seasons ...maybe I hit 30 x on the Fox remote lol

Was it a bad pass or bad wing?

Both imo

 

[mike]

Someone explain the logic...

We have young centers who desperately need games at center.
We have a young winger who needs to develop combos with them.
We have nothing to lose / season done...

PERFECT game to play Talau or Hoffman...

And...
We play Lawrence.

That just killed all faith I had left.

It makes no sense on every level right now and even less looking at 2021.

He played Talau last week and all everyone did after was want to trade him out.

I am not a big Talau fan...but you had to think of 2021 and let the kid at least get some games. What did playing Lawrence do to help 2021? It made zero difference tonight. But i expected the coach to at least have an eye on 2021.

You won't get an argument from me on thinking about 21. I hate and i mean absolutely hate Liddle being left on the bench until 17 mins to go when he will be our hooker next year. Lawrence has less mobility than a one legged dog. He would never ever be playing centre in my side but i'm not the coach and i don't know what the plan is. What i do know is we have changed lots of coaches and got the same results over and over, so maybe the club is doing the right thing by backing the coach and looking elsewhere to solve its problems of which i believe there are many. ( but not for this topic)

Ok that break Rowdy made I thought was the quickest I saw him run in about 9 seasons ...maybe I hit 30 x on the Fox remote lol

Was it a bad pass or bad wing?

I’ll have to check the replay but live I thought the pass was very catchable with AJ a little too deep.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

How were Souths in there last year with Madge as coach ?
I can’t remember..?

A very respectable 12th. Burgi, Cook, Walker, Reynolds, Crichton, Farah, Johnston etc

I think everyone could see it was the players fault because he is a premiership winning coach ?

It’s always the coaches fault .. sheens , potter , Taylor , Maguire , Royce Simmons and his cones, sandercock , Hodgson etc. The reality is it’s guys arm grabbing , clocking off, being too slow , not tackling with aggression . You can have all the structure in the world , but blokes who don’t put in , will lead to what we have . It’s 100% attitude .

 

[tony soprano]

He seems a bit lost on wing do we persist or is he a centre.


His pretty quick ay?

 

[JC99]

How were Souths in there last year with Madge as coach ?
I can’t remember..?

A very respectable 12th. Burgi, Cook, Walker, Reynolds, Crichton, Farah, Johnston etc

I think everyone could see it was the players fault because he is a premiership winning coach ?

It’s always the coaches fault .. sheens , potter , Taylor , Maguire , Royce Simmons and his cones, sandercock , Hodgson etc. The reality is it’s guys arm grabbing , clocking off, being too slow , not tackling with aggression . You can have all the structure in the world , but blokes who don’t put in , will lead to what we have . It’s 100% attitude .

And all Madge has done is try change the attitude of the guys by being a tough coach. For some it’s worked and others it hasn’t and they’ve gone backwards which makes it easy for Madge to know who to keep. 2022 the top 30 is going to look completely different

 

[happy_tiger]

Someone explain the logic...

We have young centers who desperately need games at center.
We have a young winger who needs to develop combos with them.
We have nothing to lose / season done...

PERFECT game to play Talau or Hoffman...

And...
We play Lawrence.

That just killed all faith I had left.

It makes no sense on every level right now and even less looking at 2021.

He played Talau last week and all everyone did after was want to trade him out.

I am not a big Talau fan...but you had to think of 2021 and let the kid at least get some games. What did playing Lawrence do to help 2021? It made zero difference tonight. But i expected the coach to at least have an eye on 2021.

You won't get an argument from me on thinking about 21. I hate and i mean absolutely hate Liddle being left on the bench until 17 mins to go when he will be our hooker next year. Lawrence has less mobility than a one legged dog. He would never ever be playing centre in my side but i'm not the coach and i don't know what the plan is. What i do know is we have changed lots of coaches and got the same results over and over, so maybe the club is doing the right thing by backing the coach and looking elsewhere to solve its problems of which i believe there are many. ( but not for this topic)

Ok that break Rowdy made I thought was the quickest I saw him run in about 9 seasons ...maybe I hit 30 x on the Fox remote lol

Was it a bad pass or bad wing?

Both imo

Benji been around for a thousand years ......if AJ can't see how Benji prefers to deliver a ball .....never will ...flat and fast

 

[hobbo1]

Someone explain the logic...

We have young centers who desperately need games at center.
We have a young winger who needs to develop combos with them.
We have nothing to lose / season done...

PERFECT game to play Talau or Hoffman...

And...
We play Lawrence.

That just killed all faith I had left.

It makes no sense on every level right now and even less looking at 2021.

He played Talau last week and all everyone did after was want to trade him out.

I am not a big Talau fan...but you had to think of 2021 and let the kid at least get some games. What did playing Lawrence do to help 2021? It made zero difference tonight. But i expected the coach to at least have an eye on 2021.

You won't get an argument from me on thinking about 21. I hate and i mean absolutely hate Liddle being left on the bench until 17 mins to go when he will be our hooker next year. Lawrence has less mobility than a one legged dog. He would never ever be playing centre in my side but i'm not the coach and i don't know what the plan is. What i do know is we have changed lots of coaches and got the same results over and over, so maybe the club is doing the right thing by backing the coach and looking elsewhere to solve its problems of which i believe there are many. ( but not for this topic)

Ok that break Rowdy made I thought was the quickest I saw him run in about 9 seasons ...maybe I hit 30 x on the Fox remote lol

Was it a bad pass or bad wing?

Both imo

Benji been around for a thousand years ......if AJ can't see how Benji prefers to deliver a ball .....never will ...flat and fast

Thought you were talking about the pass from Lawrence at x30 speed ?

 

[Geo]

Someone explain the logic...

We have young centers who desperately need games at center.
We have a young winger who needs to develop combos with them.
We have nothing to lose / season done...

PERFECT game to play Talau or Hoffman...

And...
We play Lawrence.

That just killed all faith I had left.

It makes no sense on every level right now and even less looking at 2021.

He played Talau last week and all everyone did after was want to trade him out.

I am not a big Talau fan...but you had to think of 2021 and let the kid at least get some games. What did playing Lawrence do to help 2021? It made zero difference tonight. But i expected the coach to at least have an eye on 2021.

You won't get an argument from me on thinking about 21. I hate and i mean absolutely hate Liddle being left on the bench until 17 mins to go when he will be our hooker next year. Lawrence has less mobility than a one legged dog. He would never ever be playing centre in my side but i'm not the coach and i don't know what the plan is. What i do know is we have changed lots of coaches and got the same results over and over, so maybe the club is doing the right thing by backing the coach and looking elsewhere to solve its problems of which i believe there are many. ( but not for this topic)

Ok that break Rowdy made I thought was the quickest I saw him run in about 9 seasons ...maybe I hit 30 x on the Fox remote lol

Was it a bad pass or bad wing?

Both imo

Benji been around for a thousand years ......if AJ can't see how Benji prefers to deliver a ball .....never will ...flat and fast

Thought you were talking about the pass from Lawrence at x30 speed ?

thought Rowdy's pass was good..

 

[Krammy]

He might do a good job when he gets the team he wants but he’s been very disappointing with existing players. Holbrook and Payten have shown you can improve a team without needing to completely change the roster.

Agree. I think your really great coaches, like Bellamy and Robinson, are able to get the best out of their lower tier players. This impacts enormously on the success of a club. You rarely see a team coached by Bellamy or Robinson not show great desperation and energy in defence and rarely do they clock off in games.

 

[tig_prmz]

I think he has given up on our D after the Bulldogs game.

These players are going to have the toughest pre-season of their careers. Madge isn't going to put up with this for another year.

 

[Harvey]

The bench rotation is what does me the most. Has been atrocious all year.

 

[hobbo1]

Someone explain the logic...

We have young centers who desperately need games at center.
We have a young winger who needs to develop combos with them.
We have nothing to lose / season done...

PERFECT game to play Talau or Hoffman...

And...
We play Lawrence.

That just killed all faith I had left.

It makes no sense on every level right now and even less looking at 2021.

He played Talau last week and all everyone did after was want to trade him out.

I am not a big Talau fan...but you had to think of 2021 and let the kid at least get some games. What did playing Lawrence do to help 2021? It made zero difference tonight. But i expected the coach to at least have an eye on 2021.

You won't get an argument from me on thinking about 21. I hate and i mean absolutely hate Liddle being left on the bench until 17 mins to go when he will be our hooker next year. Lawrence has less mobility than a one legged dog. He would never ever be playing centre in my side but i'm not the coach and i don't know what the plan is. What i do know is we have changed lots of coaches and got the same results over and over, so maybe the club is doing the right thing by backing the coach and looking elsewhere to solve its problems of which i believe there are many. ( but not for this topic)

Ok that break Rowdy made I thought was the quickest I saw him run in about 9 seasons ...maybe I hit 30 x on the Fox remote lol

Was it a bad pass or bad wing?

Both imo

Benji been around for a thousand years ......if AJ can't see how Benji prefers to deliver a ball .....never will ...flat and fast

Thought you were talking about the pass from Lawrence at x30 speed ?


thought owdy's pass was good..

Happy insisted I watch it at x30

Problem was we had 2 other players pretty much holding hands and wondering who was going to receive it

Kepaoa or whatever his name is looks fast but jeez he’s so raw

 

[Deleted member 3518]

How were Souths in there last year with Madge as coach ?
I can’t remember..?

A very respectable 12th. Burgi, Cook, Walker, Reynolds, Crichton, Farah, Johnston etc

I think everyone could see it was the players fault because he is a premiership winning coach ?

It’s always the coaches fault .. sheens , potter , Taylor , Maguire , Royce Simmons and his cones, sandercock , Hodgson etc. The reality is it’s guys arm grabbing , clocking off, being too slow , not tackling with aggression . You can have all the structure in the world , but blokes who don’t put in , will lead to what we have . It’s 100% attitude .

And all Madge has done is try change the attitude of the guys by being a tough coach. For some it’s worked and others it hasn’t and they’ve gone backwards which makes it easy for Madge to know who to keep. 2022 the top 30 is going to look completely different

Exactly !!!!! Joey to me needs to be next to brooks ,I’d say this hasn’t happened because they trained all year with defensive structures , and Nofa is leading the try scorers tally. I wish McIntyre didn’t get his head knock early , that weakened us for sure .
Our pack next year won’t include , mikalele , eisenhuth ,packer , garner , Taylor , seyfarth , Clarke. Those guys will be replaced by Tamou , stefano , musgrove , blore , McIntyre . With eiso , packer and mikalele questionable .

 

[tigger19]

Kepaoa struggling abit on the wing,needs a shot at centre,definitly has talent and will improve in 21,Joey L hate to say it but looks like another high paid player they need to bench,absolutely horrid in defence.He has been Madges biggest mistake so far,really need to fix up that right edge defence

 

[JC99]

How were Souths in there last year with Madge as coach ?
I can’t remember..?

A very respectable 12th. Burgi, Cook, Walker, Reynolds, Crichton, Farah, Johnston etc

I think everyone could see it was the players fault because he is a premiership winning coach ?

It’s always the coaches fault .. sheens , potter , Taylor , Maguire , Royce Simmons and his cones, sandercock , Hodgson etc. The reality is it’s guys arm grabbing , clocking off, being too slow , not tackling with aggression . You can have all the structure in the world , but blokes who don’t put in , will lead to what we have . It’s 100% attitude .

And all Madge has done is try change the attitude of the guys by being a tough coach. For some it’s worked and others it hasn’t and they’ve gone backwards which makes it easy for Madge to know who to keep. 2022 the top 30 is going to look completely different

Exactly !!!!! Joey to me needs to be next to brooks ,I’d say this hasn’t happened because they trained all year with defensive structures , and Nofa is leading the try scorers tally. I wish McIntyre didn’t get his head knock early , that weakened us for sure .
Our pack next year won’t include , mikalele , eisenhuth ,packer , garner , Taylor , seyfarth , Clarke. Those guys will be replaced by Tamou , stefano , musgrove , blore , McIntyre . With eiso , packer and mikalele questionable .

Unfortunately the way Madge is trying to rebuild our team will have a lot of short term pain. Gotta stick with him though, even if he doesn’t win a premiership he’ll get rid of most of the rubbish players

 

[Geo]

Someone explain the logic...

We have young centers who desperately need games at center.
We have a young winger who needs to develop combos with them.
We have nothing to lose / season done...

PERFECT game to play Talau or Hoffman...

And...
We play Lawrence.

That just killed all faith I had left.

It makes no sense on every level right now and even less looking at 2021.

He played Talau last week and all everyone did after was want to trade him out.

I am not a big Talau fan...but you had to think of 2021 and let the kid at least get some games. What did playing Lawrence do to help 2021? It made zero difference tonight. But i expected the coach to at least have an eye on 2021.

You won't get an argument from me on thinking about 21. I hate and i mean absolutely hate Liddle being left on the bench until 17 mins to go when he will be our hooker next year. Lawrence has less mobility than a one legged dog. He would never ever be playing centre in my side but i'm not the coach and i don't know what the plan is. What i do know is we have changed lots of coaches and got the same results over and over, so maybe the club is doing the right thing by backing the coach and looking elsewhere to solve its problems of which i believe there are many. ( but not for this topic)

Ok that break Rowdy made I thought was the quickest I saw him run in about 9 seasons ...maybe I hit 30 x on the Fox remote lol

Was it a bad pass or bad wing?

Both imo

Benji been around for a thousand years ......if AJ can't see how Benji prefers to deliver a ball .....never will ...flat and fast

Thought you were talking about the pass from Lawrence at x30 speed ?


thought owdy's pass was good..

Happy insisted I watch it at x30

Problem was we had 2 other players pretty much holding hands and wondering who was going to receive it

Kepaoa or whatever his name is looks fast but jeez he’s so raw

I drowned out his whinning...