Hip Drop Tackle and Penalty Try

[Needaname]

Can someone explain this??
Only on report and not in the bin
Infuriating 🤬
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Because it was noticed 5 mins further in play.

 

[kiwitiger]

Have we ever lost a game and no one ever complained about the ref?
To many excuses. We lost because we didnt execute. Be better is what we need to be. The eels are dead last and had someone play his first game of the season yesterday. But boohoo we couldnt execute against that.
Mitch the b1tch should have been blowing out his arse with 20 to go. But he was fresh. Problably doesnt even need to wash his work clothes today

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Because it was noticed 5 mins further in play.

Just hear me out before my head explodes. Tuilagi goes in with the shoulder directly to the face gets put on report but doesn’t get binned. Worst case scenario for Terrell could’ve broke his eye socket/cheekbone, therefore we lose a player but parra don’t as Taulagi stays on. What I’m trying to say is where’s the consistency from the match officials week in week out.

 

[Needaname]

J

Just hear me out before my head explodes. Tuilagi goes in with the shoulder directly to the face gets put on report but doesn’t get binned. Worst case scenario for Terrell could’ve broke his eye socket/cheekbone, therefore we lose a player but parra don’t as Taulagi stays on. What I’m trying to say is where’s the consistency from the match officials week in week out.

i think following round 5 was it after the week of the crack down being introduced they made a point to say they won’t be going back if it is missed in play, only if it is caught immediately it will be dealt with immediately. I haven’t noticed them pull back the play for a foul play since that was announced.
Still I’m livid that the REF missed it.

 

[Squater]

Two things they look at when it comes to these decisions - who is the player involved and who is the team. When you are a team well down the table, most of these decisions will never go in your way. And they know the Tigers wont question it or react after the game so it is soon forgotten.

Spot on.we never complain

 

[hank37w]

Have we ever lost a game and no one ever complained about the ref?
To many excuses. We lost because we didnt execute. Be better is what we need to be. The eels are dead last and had someone play his first game of the season yesterday. But boohoo we couldnt execute against that.
Mitch the b1tch should have been blowing out his arse with 20 to go. But he was fresh. Problably doesnt even need to wash his work clothes today

Just needs to press his Dinner Suit to give it a bit of a freshen up and he'll be good to go again.

 

[Odessa]

To be honest we need AI in the bunker fed it the rules and let it make the decisions no bias B/S anymore

 

[TieDye]

J

i think following round 5 was it after the week of the crack down being introduced they made a point to say they won’t be going back if it is missed in play, only if it is caught immediately it will be dealt with immediately. I haven’t noticed them pull back the play for a foul play since that was announced.
Still I’m livid that the REF missed it.

Almost as if done deliberately, therefore, oops no sin bin.

 

[Needaname]

Almost as if done deliberately, therefore, oops no sin bin.

I feel the hit was very deliberate by Kelma. You take our best forward out of the match you go a long way to winning the game.

 

[Sco77y]

It didn’t help that the Eels are also one of the worst diving teams in the comp. They know how to put on a performance and sway penalties and other leg-ups out of the refs.

Tuilagi went down like he’d been shot, wincing in agony before a brush of contact was even made with his leg. I swear Brad Arthur used to coach it into them. It’s an obvious tactic that they always use.

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

ARTICLE 18. Hip-drop tackles
"grabs the runner with both hands or wraps the runner with both arms; and. unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner's leg(s) at or below the knee."

"Penalty try (d) the Referee may award a penalty try if, in their opinion, a try would have been scored but for the unfair play of the defending team. A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts irrespective of where the offence occurred."
I was at today's game and it was ruined by two refereeing decisons:

1. The Hip Drop Tackle Incident. A penalty was awarded and a player put on report - later exonerated. His leg didn't touch, let alone land on, Tuilagi's legs . In the next set, Parra scored by .... the very same player involved and apparently badly injured in the hip drop tackle! Tigers don't see the ball for 11 minutes and three tries are scored. Incidentally, Tuilagi faces three weeks suspension for a tackle that was not penalised and not even seen by three on field officials.

2. The Penalty Try Incident. Luke is going to score but is bundled into touch by an illegal tackle. Would he have scored but for the foul play? The answer is obvious.

The Tigers didn't play well just before and after half time. However, it is pretty hard to win a game when critical incidents seen live by three on field officials and analysed in The Bunker aided by a variety of angles by another official, go against the team. Amazingly, Samuela was not charged by the Judiciary seeing the same video replays as The Bunker. Luke Laulilii would have scored except for the illegal tackle of Mitchell Moses.
I have watched Rugby League for 75 years and I just can't understand how refereeing errors are made with all of today's technology. I may be biased but in recent years the Wests Tigers seem to get dudded time and time again.

Your applications to be part of the NRL Judiciary and NRL 360 Panel have been rejected because you can see things and can read the Rules. 🔍👀

 

[Needaname]

It didn’t help that the Eels are also one of the worst diving teams in the comp. They know how to put on a performance and sway penalties and other leg-ups out of the refs.

Tuilagi went down like he’d been shot, wincing in agony before a brush of contact was even made with his leg. I swear Brad Arthur used to coach it into them. It’s an obvious tactic that they always use.

The moment the HIA rulings came in, the Eels were the first club to exploit the loophole in the interchange. That little weed of a trainer would pull everyone of their ‘forwards’ off at a set time in the game as a HIA, the league started to crack down on it after the first few years so they moved from planning interchanges with HIAs to replacing any injured players with HIA.
Pretty sure the game stopped around the 65th minute for a shoulder injury to Matt Doorey that ended up in a HIA. Parra scums.

 

[Tigerstruck]

The moment the HIA rulings came in, the Eels were the first club to exploit the loophole in the interchange. That little weed of a trainer would pull everyone of their ‘forwards’ off at a set time in the game as a HIA, the league started to crack down on it after the first few years so they moved from planning interchanges with HIAs to replacing any injured players with HIA.
Pretty sure the game stopped around the 65th minute for a shoulder injury to Matt Doorey that ended up in a HIA. Parra scums.

Yeah noticed this while at the game too - think it was actually inside the last 10 mins
Not only did they slow down the game when we had all the momentum in our attacking half at 22-26 by running the trainer out, but Doorey went off for an HIA after clutching at his shoulder the whole time and was replaced by a fresh Paulo.

 

[innsaneink]

Kayo commentators were praising the ref for stopping the game

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

I'm more concerned how we react to poor decisions then the decisions themselves. The refs made lots of errors, some very obvious ones. They only become telling errors if we fail to respond to them.
The hip drop tackle being the main example. Do I think it was a penalty? No, after replays I did not, though on first sight I did. But teams give away penalties (often unjustly) every game. They don't typically then defend so poorly over the next 10 minutes they concede 3 tries and don't touch the ball. It was the defence after the poor penalty that lost it for us, not the penalty itself. Particularly as it was straight after half-time and a dozen replays. Fatigue at the time should not be an excuse as it often is when one team builds so much momentum.

I don't have a hard stance on the Moses tackle. It was sort of borderline in that any outcome could be reasoned accurate. I don't really think it was bin worthy but to be consistent with what the NRL has told us should be a sin bin the last couple weeks it probably deserved to be in the bin.
I also think it was the momentum of the tackle that put him into touch, not the fact the tackle was high. I see a valid argument for penalty try and a valid argument against it.
There were two genuinely 50-50 decisions to be made in that tackle, bin/no bin and try/no try. The fact both went against us makes it seem tough although both decisions in isolation aren't outrageous.

Also why I don't like refs faulting. I thought some of the decisions against eels were also very debatable. In my opinion Iongi didn't deserve to be in the bin. Bad calls shifted momentum both ways, both yesterday and in every NRL game. The better team is usually the one who overcomes these decisions and wrestle momentum back. We did not do this.

Greg what drugs are you on and has ALBO put them on the PBS? Mate the fix was in from the very first tackle. To compound things Pole was stripped shortly after but well... duh? This is what actually happened mate - The Bunker lawyer got into the Refs ear and said "Better even it up old mate cos it's looking too obvious." And yes we were gifted a few opps down their end and scored accordingly. But we actually looked like the better team and that had the Lawyers in the Bunker worried.

There was no Hip drop at all and the Bunker Lawyer made the call cos We were looking OK - " Yep that's a Defcon 4 Hip Drop ref!" The pantomime played out and Kelma scores - these plays are so disgusting for the bleeding obvious reasons - if it was that bad why was KT still on the field? They changed the game. We were Gonski and down and out - then suddenly we started to come together! We had young Luke smashed by Moses but the Bunker Lawyer said no - penalty sufficient. Then he did score a remarkable try given how short the kid is - surprised he didn't ruin his pec stretching out! I cried, I absolutely cried when that cat JAC intercepted what was a surge towards a miracle game comeback. No Bunker lawyer involved, just an unnecessary rush of blood due to the critical, desperate state of the game thanks to the 2nd half stitch-up.

By the way I hate lawyers (except for my mate PD)

I might have missed a few lowlights, but I reckon that's the gist of what happened.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Can someone explain this??
Only on report and not in the bin
Infuriating 🤬
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Yeah, even if they missed it first up, literally in this case, as I did because I hadn't sat down to watch properly until after the tackle/shoulder charge, why wasn't he binned by the ref when he was put on report.

 

[Tucker]

Can someone explain this??
Only on report and not in the bin
Infuriating 🤬
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It is not impossible to believe that was missed. I didn’t see it first up although I did notice May was a bit ginger playing the ball.
Maybe the independent doctor was watching him and that’s why they looked and saw it? Whatever it was, they did see it a couple of minutes later and they should 100% have binned him then. That is a classic case for 10 in the bin based on their own laws and precedence’s set. Didn’t wrap the arm and drove his shoulder upward into Mays head. On a crackdown weekend that would have been a send off.
Tuilagi has accepted a 3 week suspension for it.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The hip drop absolutely killed us.

 

[Spartan117]

We weren't good on Monday

Nrl needs to address the poor standards and inconsistently.

Refereeing killed the game against the Eels.

 

[twentyforty]

ARTICLE 18. Hip-drop tackles
"grabs the runner with both hands or wraps the runner with both arms; and. unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner's leg(s) at or below the knee."

"Penalty try (d) the Referee may award a penalty try if, in their opinion, a try would have been scored but for the unfair play of the defending team. A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts irrespective of where the offence occurred."
I was at today's game and it was ruined by two refereeing decisons:

1. The Hip Drop Tackle Incident. A penalty was awarded and a player put on report - later exonerated. His leg didn't touch, let alone land on, Tuilagi's legs . In the next set, Parra scored by .... the very same player involved and apparently badly injured in the hip drop tackle! Tigers don't see the ball for 11 minutes and three tries are scored. Incidentally, Tuilagi faces three weeks suspension for a tackle that was not penalised and not even seen by three on field officials.

2. The Penalty Try Incident. Luke is going to score but is bundled into touch by an illegal tackle. Would he have scored but for the foul play? The answer is obvious.

The Tigers didn't play well just before and after half time. However, it is pretty hard to win a game when critical incidents seen live by three on field officials and analysed in The Bunker aided by a variety of angles by another official, go against the team. Amazingly, Samuela was not charged by the Judiciary seeing the same video replays as The Bunker. Luke Laulilii would have scored except for the illegal tackle of Mitchell Moses.
I have watched Rugby League for 75 years and I just can't understand how refereeing errors are made with all of today's technology. I may be biased but in recent years the Wests Tigers seem to get dudded time and time again.

Something doesn’t smell right about the Moses’ tackle on Laulilii.
The Referee totally discarded the one basic law of physics.
“Where the head goes the body follows.”
I feel sure if Moses arm was anywhere else but the head, it’s a try every day of the week.