How are we going to attract decent players?

No use worrying about attracting decent players unless we have a coach with the skills to get the best from them. Imagine if we could get the best from our current roster! But Col's solution is to lay the boot into the players including some of our best youngsters.
 
No interim coach. Who will be available next year that is not available now? If they are going to get a new coach in, do it now so he can assess players and work out who he wants to keep and outsiders he wants to sign for next year. I think that If the losses continue he may not be there when the side comes back from the rep round
 
@magpiecol said:
" New coach", "new coach" a lot of you scream, but fail to name one that would be any better!

The real question is would another coach do any worse ? The only option I can see there is one T Lamb.

Still I think dollars will attract players.
 
You want a coach who will clean the place out and put a broom through it.

Really there is only one person who has a proven record for this, like him or not, he is Brian Smith.
 
@Harvey said:
No interim coach. Who will be available next year that is not available now? If they are going to get a new coach in, do it now so he can assess players and work out who he wants to keep and outsiders he wants to sign for next year. I think that If the losses continue he may not be there when the side comes back from the rep round

The reason for an interim coach is to first get rid of JT, and to buy some time so we don't have to take the first bloke that comes along.
If he can raise the standard of the team then he could also be in the running for the head Coach on a longer basis, you may be right and Taylor may be on the brink of being punted
But it's going to take a coach who has the guts to drop underachievers, we haven't had that for a long time.
 
The only way this dump of a team could attract any players is by paying overs, and that is what has lead to the problems we have been experiencing for the last/current 5 year period. I just hope when they blow the next 5 years worth of cap, it will be on players that can actually play at NRL level.
 
Get somebody like Cleary or Toovey as interim coach. If he goes well for the rest of 2016 and puts some lost spirit in this sad club, sign him on a permanent basis.
 
@Newtown said:
Get somebody like Cleary or Toovey as interim coach. If he goes well for the rest of 2016 and puts some lost spirit in this sad club, sign him on a permanent basis.

Should be done, we are talking about the Tigers, it wont be done.
 
@westTAHger said:
You want a coach who will clean the place out and put a broom through it.

Really there is only one person who has a proven record for this, like him or not, he is Brian Smith.

Id take him over Taylor
 
@Newtown said:
Get somebody like Cleary or Toovey as interim coach. If he goes well for the rest of 2016 and puts some lost spirit in this sad club, sign him on a permanent basis.

I reckon that both of them would do a good job together, no harm in asking.

Can you imagine, Ivan Cleary being calm and controlled, and Geoff Toovey " expressing his views" :laughing: at the after match press conference, about ways wests tigers get dud call from the ref's.
 
Combining Toovs with the referees performance against the Tigers would likely send the club broke
 
@Harvey said:
My only worry is that if Taylor goes, Farah may stay

If the Cherrington cheer squad. ( yes the one that's dropping in numbers since the hysteric peaks of last year) had their way , we'd be keeping another non tackling , very limited young "Star"
There's a lot more problems here Than whether Robbie has another year or not
Remember if JT had got his way Halateau would be the only hooker we'd have at the momenta so Cherrington isn't the answer
 
@ricksen said:
@Harvey said:
@ricksen said:
Other poor (quality) teams have recruited well in recent years - Cronulla, Parramatta etc.
It's a combination of things: money, opportunity, lifestyle, coaching….
Much like any sales job, you've got to lie through your teeth and hope for the best.

Parra are probably not the best example. They are cheating the cap and will likely be 4points behind us in a week or 2.

Yes - a fair point.
Penrith are another that have recruited fairly well from a low position on the ladder.

And they are behind us on the ladder. You have to employ a top line coach before you can get top line players - I would sounding out Toovey. No nonsense coach and the players liked him - it was just off field politics that got him canned.
 
@Newtown said:
Get somebody like Cleary or Toovey as interim coach. If he goes well for the rest of 2016 and puts some lost spirit in this sad club, sign him on a permanent basis.

Isnt that what Parra did with Taylor ?
 
I'd be willing to bet almost everything I have on our next coach not being Cleary or Toovey. Just because they are the best options available does not make them automatic contenders for the job. What appeal would there be to coach us for a top line coach? Even rookies looking to cut their teeth would almost stay away. We're proven career killers. A coaching change won't suddenly make us winners, our problems run much, much deeper.
 
@westTAHger said:
You want a coach who will clean the place out and put a broom through it.

Really there is only one person who has a proven record for this, like him or not, he is Brian Smith.

Yep he did a terrific job at Newcastle , didn't he. Not
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
I'd be willing to bet almost everything I have on our next coach not being Cleary or Toovey. Just because they are the best options available does not make them automatic contenders for the job. What appeal would there be to coach us for a top line coach? Even rookies looking to cut their teeth would almost stay away. We're proven career killers. A coaching change won't suddenly make us winners, our problems run much, much deeper.

The only thing that would attract them is money.
But if this club has any ideas of being anywhere near the top half on a consistent basis it's what's needed.
If they're content in making up the numbers in this competition, which is all we are capable of usually, then they are going exactly the right way about it.
This club seems to be happy to be able to say that we are in the NRL. Were unlikely to cause a ripple, but we are here.
Big deal, it's easy to see by the frustration from probably all of us that we're getting completely sick of it
 
Get rid of Farah , get rid of Taylor for starters .
Despite what's said in the media , there's still a Toxic environment at the club IMO .

Then we'll see players wanting to come to the club .
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
@Russell said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
It's obvious that JT has no hope of getting through to them, whether that's because of the players or because of Taylors uninspiring personality, I don't know, but in all the time he's been here, I can't remember any one really inspiring interview that he's had.

It's always blaming others, making excuses and Trying to make a cow pat resemble a diamond. His selections have confused most here(at least until TT shone a bit of light on who has Entrenched themselves as JTs favourites, and why.
My opinion ( and that's all it is) is that this season has flew the coop already. Not because of a few losses, but because of the WAY that we lost. There has been NO improvement in this team at all. Spin it as much as you want, we're still a cow pat.

Leaving him in charge of this team just does more damage to the club and their chances of attracting any players.
We have the chance between now and the start of next season to start from scratch, as hardly anyone is signed past then. We do need to pay more than other clubs to convince anyone to come here.
Get rid of him now before we get any worse and install a caretaker coach until the end of this season. Then don't just accept someone's computer presentation for the job
Get the best bloke available have a word to Harry or Brydens , anyone and pay what we need to get a proven Coach. That should be our priority !!!!!!!!
As for the interim coach I don't care who it is, getPayten if we have too, (l couldn't care less if he white anted Potter or not, )at least well see if he can coach or not.

Make it clear he's an interim coach, but if he can get this rabble on track then keep him if not , he was only hired for the rest of this year anyway.
We can't afford to have JT run this club dawn any further. We're just about rock bottom
Now.
He has no ability to get through to this team .
Unfortunately we have no choice to keep the halves ( if that's what they decide ). at a grossly inflated value for next year( thanks to some dumb twit who signed their contracts with an option in their favour), but we can get rid of a lot of the once a month performers and replace them with some players who want to put in a genuine effort.
We're not going to be top four prospects for a long while , but surely we can find some players who will put in an effort every week
Or we can sit back and accept the garbage that this club is renowned for.

Well that is a rant and a half.

2 points. I dispute that Taylor has been blaming others all the time - he did say he inherited a basket case. Was he wrong? and he mentioned for the first time after this game that some of the players need to toughen up and have a good look at themselves. Wouldn't say that rave wasn't overdue, would you?

I fail to see how Teddy, Nofo, Kev, Moses, Grant, Woods, Farah and Lawrence at least do not put in every week and that is nearly half the team.

Understand when people get wound up they blame everybody in sight but I think there are some that need to be excluded. Maybe the others need to be put on notice but apart from Milone I thought they all put in - whether they are good enough is another question.

As for an interim coach - would they be any better? How long for them to get the hang of the team? Until the end of the season maybe. Would they have the same restrictions as JT? Would they be a white anter? (May not matter to you but it matters to a lot of others - Potter is twice the man as the white anters). Payton, you would be joking! Although I am sure O'Neill would be up for starting the Boys club again.

Further points on Taylor - did we hire him because he should be good at press conferences, eloquent, say player A is hopeless, our game plan was pitiful and we should not have targeted player Z in the opposition etc.
No we did not.
What we did wrong, what we should have done, player D, X and B skyrocket to them etc. Save that for the boys at training ( is this not happening, does anyone know for a fact) where it should be said, not to the press to appease a few disgruntled fans.

Some are saying he should have got stuck into the referees - possibly he should but who is going to pay the $10,000 fine - not them I'll bet.

You make some good points GCT but are wide of the mark in others - imo of course.

I don't expect that everyone agrees with me. Russ
But you have agreed that only half put in a complete effort every week, I'd agree with that and would only disagree about Moses, II wouldn't keep him at 600,000, but if no one buys him that's what we are stuck with.
The interim coach is purely to get through the year and try and minimise the damage that's been caused. Hopefully he might be able to stop the slide, if not he's gone at the end of the year anyway
The main thing is that the team needs to get away from the Favourites rule system that is JTs method of operating
I don't care if he got into the Refs or not. That's a small part of our problems
Yes he did inherit a basket case, but so has every Coach since Sheens. The hard facts are that neither of those Coaches made any difference, and no other coach on training wheels will either .
Its not going to be easy to change this club , but until hey start we'l stay the same. And it
Starts at the Coach.
 

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