How can't we afford decent players?

[pHyR3]

Just this year we have lost

Blair - 600k
Thomson - 200k
Anasta - 350k
Fulton - 300k
Gavet - 100k
BMM - 150K
Paterson - 200k
Austin - 80k

Thats almost 2mil from our cap, numbers are obviously made up. Say 1 mil went towards retaining Teddy, Siro and Woods who is a Marquee where has all the rest of the money gone? I am sure the NRL cover the 6mil in the cap so we obviously can afford to pay these players.

mostly cause your numbers are way off.

Blair was 500k
Anasta 200k
Doubt Thompson was 200k
Gavet probably wouldnt have been top 25, so under 80k.
Paterson and BMM seem inflated too.

in fact, if you added up the 'supposed' payments for players that the media says every club in the NRL would probably be over by a million dollars.

Next add in any backended contracts to Moltzen and Lawrence that might exist. And the fact we resigned numerous young guns on larger contracts than they were on before (U20s to top 25).

And that is the reason we can't buy anyone.

 

[happy_tiger]

This has come up a few times recently.

Does everybody remember that we asked for an NRL bail-out?
That the agreed terms of said bailout was that we would repay the loan out of our club grant every year?

The 2014 NRL Grant is $7.75M, the salary cap $6.1M. That leaves a $1.65M gap, which no doubt would have been eaten up by our recently acquired and quite extensive coaching and sports and conditioning departments.

Doing the maths, where do you all think we have pinched the pennies to make our repayments from… not rocket science.

Very solid rumour going around that a sugar daddy has filled the gap B&W :wink:

 

[Irvine]

Cause it December and ALL the decent players are already under contract with other Clubs…

There is a Plan in place....have faith...

That's the way I see it to. Or should I say I hope that is the reason. Also the likes of Paterson and Anasta were off contract so were never factored into our 2015 cap, so their 2014 contract value has no relevance to 2015 and beyond.

**I also would imagine Brooks,Moses and Tedesco chew up a fair chunk of cap space**

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Yes 'unproven' players being paid a fortune of the likes of Thurston, Cronk and Inglis only highlights just how inept our recent club management has been.

Tedesco isn't on that much in 2015

But Brooks and Moses sure are… Grant Mayer made sure of that.

Throw in Lawrence, Moltzen, Galloway, Woods and Farah and there is half the cap gone on just 7 players.

 

[Newtown]

This has come up a few times recently.

Does everybody remember that we asked for an NRL bail-out?
That the agreed terms of said bailout was that we would repay the loan out of our club grant every year?

The 2014 NRL Grant is $7.75M, the salary cap $6.1M. That leaves a $1.65M gap, which no doubt would have been eaten up by our recently acquired and quite extensive coaching and sports and conditioning departments.

Doing the maths, where do you all think we have pinched the pennies to make our repayments from… not rocket science.

I'm sh!t at maths so my reckoning .. It'll take just over 4 1/2 years to pay off the loan .
Geez were a rabble !

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You are much better at maths than the Wests Tigers administration who a few years back made these decisions which have now set us back a few years Like a lot of incompetent managers who make very bad decisions, they take their bonuses and are all gone to greener pastures by the time their handiwork hits the fan.

 

[rex2ce]

We cant buy anyone because there is no one available that is worth buying,you dont buy players because you can ,you identify players that will improve the team and make a play for them

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

We cant buy anyone because there is no one available that is worth buying,you dont buy players because you can ,you identify players that will improve the team and make a play for them

This. We've spent years buying whatever scraps are on offer and seldom few have paid off.

 

[happy_tiger]

No money equals no players

 

[magpiecol]

Cause it December and ALL the decent players are already under contract with other Clubs…

There is a Plan in place....have faith...

That's the way I see it to. Or should I say I hope that is the reason. Also the likes of Paterson and Anasta were off contract so were never factored into our 2015 cap, so their 2014 contract value has no relevance to 2015 and beyond.

**I also would imagine Brooks,Moses and Tedesco chew up a fair chunk of cap space**

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Yes 'unproven' players being paid a fortune of the likes of Thurston, Cronk and Inglis only highlights just how inept our recent club management has been.

Speculation. You do not know how much these players are being paid.

I am sure that if they went somewhere else you would be complaining that we did not pay them enough.

 

[Flippedy]

Cause it December and ALL the decent players are already under contract with other Clubs…

There is a Plan in place....have faith...

That's the way I see it to. Or should I say I hope that is the reason. Also the likes of Paterson and Anasta were off contract so were never factored into our 2015 cap, so their 2014 contract value has no relevance to 2015 and beyond.

**I also would imagine Brooks,Moses and Tedesco chew up a fair chunk of cap space**

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Yes 'unproven' players being paid a fortune of the likes of Thurston, Cronk and Inglis only highlights just how inept our recent club management has been.

Speculation. You do not know how much these players are being paid.

I am sure that if they went somewhere else you would be complaining that we did not pay them enough.

Everybody on this forum speculates, Col - you included, but judging by our roster and the fact that we have a botched salary cap and can't afford to buy even a halfway decent player for next season, I would say my 'speculation' in this instance is pretty well on the mark.

 

[VanillaThunder]

Just saw on Fox Sports News that Merrin is set to knock back $600k a year from the Dragons because it's not enough. We don't have the cash or the TPA's to beat that, and until that changes I doubt out recruitment state will either

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[Cultured_Bogan]

Everybody on this forum speculates, Col - you included, but judging by our roster and the fact that we have a botched salary cap and can't afford to buy even a halfway decent player for next season, I would say my 'speculation' in this instance is pretty well on the mark.

I largely agree with you Flip, but really who is on the market that you'd break the bank to sign?

 

[magpiecol]

**I also would imagine Brooks,Moses and Tedesco chew up a fair chunk of cap space**
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Yes 'unproven' players being paid a fortune of the likes of Thurston, Cronk and Inglis only highlights just how inept our recent club management has been.
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Speculation. You do not know how much these players are being paid.

I am sure that if they went somewhere else you would be complaining that we did not pay them enough.

Everybody on this forum speculates, Col - you included, but judging by our roster and the fact that we have a botched salary cap and can't afford to buy even a halfway decent player for next season, I would say my 'speculation' in this instance is pretty well on the mark.
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Well I do not speculate as you say. I do not take any notice of the rumour mill and especially ignore anything on social media sites. I usually wait until the Weststigers club itself makes an announcement. We do not know what the financial situation is with the club and we are unlikely to be told. As for buying players, what player is available that we could have contracted? I would suggest there is no one that is any better than the up and coming players we already have.

 

[TrueTiger]

MagpieCol,I think what everybody really wants is that the WTs buy a solid experienced centre and backrower to help the young guys along…

This really came about since JT identified those two areas that need to be filled...

 

[Goose]

I think we have invested heavily in youth.

Given the youth we have, Im comfortable with those decisions.

We are paying for potential on a number of guys , which had we lost, would have seen the forum up in arms.

The deeds of Moses, Brooks, Sironen, Tedesco, Noffa dont match their reported salaries (which are usually bollocks), however if these guys kick on to be what we think they can be than it is money well spent, it is however a risk.
Whether they are proven right wont be known for a few years yet.

 

[Flippedy]

Everybody on this forum speculates, Col - you included, but judging by our roster and the fact that we have a botched salary cap and can't afford to buy even a halfway decent player for next season, I would say my 'speculation' in this instance is pretty well on the mark.

I largely agree with you Flip, but really who is on the market that you'd break the bank to sign?

I'm not talking about breaking the bank for next season particularly, CB, I'm talking about shoring up our ever-dwindling playing roster with a tad more experience and mongrel to help our talented youngsters out. Sure there's not much on offer now because we left our run too late as usual, but less than a month ago Watmough, Mason, Mateo, Barba and Beale were all available to the right offer!

And I still reckon SKD would be an astute buy if he was willing to transfer now, rather than mid-season. A big, fast, hard running Kiwi International centre wouldn't go astray right now - people are kidding themselves if they think he would be worth the investment.

 

[balmain boy]

You also have to factor in the likely chance of success when player payments are being discussed. Think about it, if for example, we offered Nofoaluma 200k and Souths also offered him 200k, there's a good chance he'd leave as there would be a better chance of winning a premiership with Souths, and they have a very professional setup.

Therefore to make up for the probable lack of a premiership, we offer say 250k instead to help entice the player to stay than chase a premiership at a regularly successful club.

All clubs towards the bottom of the ladder would be paying more for their players than those at the top. Top players obviously require rep bonuses, but successful teams are also more likely to be able to offer third party agreements for their players. While some players may also be willing to take a small pay cut to keep a premiership winning team together and enhance chances of success in the future.

 

[Flippedy]

**I also would imagine Brooks,Moses and Tedesco chew up a fair chunk of cap space**

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Yes 'unproven' players being paid a fortune of the likes of Thurston, Cronk and Inglis only highlights just how inept our recent club management has been.
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Speculation. You do not know how much these players are being paid.

I am sure that if they went somewhere else you would be complaining that we did not pay them enough.

Everybody on this forum speculates, Col - you included, but judging by our roster and the fact that we have a botched salary cap and can't afford to buy even a halfway decent player for next season, I would say my 'speculation' in this instance is pretty well on the mark.
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Well I do not speculate as you say. I do not take any notice of the rumour mill and especially ignore anything on social media sites. I usually wait until the Weststigers club itself makes an announcement. We do not know what the financial situation is with the club and we are unlikely to be told. As for buying players, what player is available that we could have contracted? I would suggest there is no one that is any better than the up and coming players we already have.

If you say so, Col. Other than this forum I ignore social media sites also, but as I said, looking at the playing roster, the large amount of recent offloads and the fact that we never seem to be in the market for anybody, then it's not hard to see that we are cash strapped because we are most likely paying overs to some of our up and comers.

As TT pointed out, it would've been good if the club could have invested in a solid, experienced centre and back rower for next season, even if it's just to have some decent depth, cause we'll be in big trouble when injuries strike. Relying primarily on youth to measure up in the rigours of the NRL, week in week out, is a huge gamble that could see the team being flogged every week and ruin some promising careers in the process. Or it might actually pay off, who knows? Let's hope it's the latter because this club and its fans sure could use some good fortune.

 

[cunno]

2015 will reveal the leadership and character of our experienced players who will have more pressure on them to prove their worth and guide their young and very talented team mates. It will also be a big challenge for JT and his support staff to keep the show on track.

 

[TrueTiger]

Agree Cunno,also with all the changes that have occurred the team as a whole should have a marked improvement performance wise.
New S&C,assistants in coaching and stabilitiy within the club all point to a more professional business and playing culture…

I'm looking forward to 2015 and as I have said earlier,if players right through to admin do the very best all season I will be pleased even the losses won't hurt as much...

 

[cunno]

Agreed TT if all put in week in week out as best they can then that will be appreciated.