Humphreys and Skando disappointed with Campbelltown's crowd

[Flippedy]

This whole thread has turned into an us v them thread. If your not happy with crowd figures thats fine, but don't blame one section of fans, because that just creates division. If you truely embraced the JV, you wouldn't look at it as ex-Magpie fans are responsible for C-town crowd figures and ex-Balmain fans are responsible for numbers at Leichardt. If you truely embraced both sides, you would say ALL Wests Tigers fans are responsible for crowd figures everywhere

I would hope that the Wests Tigers take a far more academic approach
to where their fan base arises from. You are essentially advocating
for a deliberate misinterpretation of statistics. The Wests Tigers
needs to know where fans are coming from, that includes ex Balmain
and ex Magpies fans. It has nothing to do with "embracing" Wests
Tigers.

Wests Tigers should be able to discuss these things without chanting
"God Bless America" before saying something controversial.

I tried to make the point to you earlier in this thread, that you have one black eye
and one white eye (it may have been a little esoteric for you). You are a member
of a divisive element. If, as you claim you are a Wests Tigers man, I hope you
can accept this advice with good grace.

Lol i love how in SOME people's eyes if you show any kind of pride in the Magpies you get laballed as being divisive and having one Black eye and one White eye, then those same people wil turn around and refer to the Wests Tigers as the 'Black and Golds' and don't see a problem with that. **I can assure you my friend my eyes are Black, White and Gold** :sign:

Really? Mine are hazel :mrgreen:

 

[Knuckles]

If we they want to try something, try lowering the prices.
It could be that simple. More fans at a lower price could be just as good as less fans at a higher price.

 

[tiger_rocket]

If we they want to try something, try lowering the prices.
It could be that simple. More fans at a lower price could be just as good as less fans at a higher price.

They are doing the opposite at Leichhardt. The seats they have installed on the hillside are now twice as expensive and I think they will go close to a sell out there this weekend.
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[system]

We need to get some good media support the next time we play out at CSS in terms of how it is talked about in commentary etc.

Leichhardt Oval has been quite fortunate in that Sunday games are cloaked by commentators in a mystique about history and tradition and as such we have seen some pretty decent crowds when the circumstances have been right. If we can start building something of a similar vein with CSS now we will reap the benefits in a season or two

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Having read this post, countless times in counteless threads it has become tiring, so I will assist you with you with your understanding.

Balmain left Leichardt for Parramatta at the end of 1994 trying to chase their supporters that had moved away from their support base. They returned to Leichardt oval after a couple of seasons. It turned out the crowd wasn't showing up because they kept losing (who'd have thought).

You forgot to mention the name change. The Sydney Tigers experiment along with the move to Parramatta Stadium was a marketing attempt to be the prominent team in the Sydney area. It was deemed that the brand of "Balmain" was too centric to a specific suburb and the club needed to appeal to more fans and sponsors - hence the name change. It was also done to position the club in the expectation that the administration of the game would look to reduce Sydney teams. Canterbury and Eastern Suburbs were the other combatants and after the sponsorship dollars and expected massive crowds did not come through the door (in part due to poor onfield performances), Balmain abandoned the idea and went back to Leichhardt and the brand of Balmain Tigers.

Embracing Wests Tigers is a two way street. Campbelltown never embraced the magpies, similarly, they never embraced Wests Tigers. It is also up to Campbelltown to embrace Wests Tigers, which is why the low crowds are being discussed.

Rubbish. Campbelltown embraced the Magpies, the problem was that Super League killed this support just as the club began to thrive in the area. The NRL has some responsibility in what has occurred in the area (along with Gosford). Both Wests and North Sydney left their traditional areas to build new markets but got bugger all support from the game's administrators. If only some investment from the NRL was placed into Gosford and Campbelltown, then the game would have a much better base on which to stand against AFL.

Campbelltown has embraced the Wests Tigers. After the first year of the merger, Campbelltown averaged 13,733 against Leichhardt's 10,417\. After 2001, Campbelltown's average since the merger was 11,469 with Leichhardt averaging just 9,900\. Leichhardt's crowds were nothing short of a disgrace in the early years of the merger and did not start to rise to its current average till 2004 and 2005\. No wonder we had to move to Homebush.

The long term averages of both grounds have increased at the same rate since 2008.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

We need to get some good media support the next time we play out at CSS in terms of how it is talked about in commentary etc.

Leichhardt Oval has been quite fortunate in that Sunday games are cloaked by commentators in a mystique about history and tradition and as such we have seen some pretty decent crowds when the circumstances have been right. If we can start building something of a similar vein with CSS now we will reap the benefits in a season or two

Good point Smeg. Here's a thought, how about we get a first grade player to state they enjoy playing at Campbelltown?

Players should also be told NOT to state they have a favourite ground. They should be saying they enjoy playing at both our suburban home grounds with neither having a preference. By saying, "Leichhardt's our favourite ground" players are ostracising half of the support and sponsorship base. It is not intelligent marketing.

 

[system]

They actually do. It is just not picked up on by the media the way it is at Leichhardt and the question is not asked by interviewers as often but Sheens and Farah have paid respects to the fans at both grounds for riding us home against the Warriors and Cowboys respectively.

 

[Goose]

How many was at Penrith Park last night ?
Looked pretty sparse.

A smidge above 5,500 I think mate

Geez Smeg … There hasn't been one that low for a while.
Glad it wasn't our home match !

It was diabolical conditions against the warriors, I reckon those 5000 people should get a free ticket for the next game

 

[Joel Helmes]

I know its only a little thing but I reckon Campbelltown Stadium should be branded more as a "Wests Tigers" stadium, outside the ground there's really nothing tying us to the stadium i.e. no signs or logos.

The passing trains carry thousands of people each day but this isn't being capitalized on.

Inside the stadium its very "generic" too - i.e. the blue/grey seats, there's very little black and gold.

Just a couple of little observations.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I know its only a little thing but I reckon Campbelltown Stadium should be branded more as a "Wests Tigers" stadium, outside the ground there's really nothing tying us to the stadium i.e. no signs or logos.

The passing trains carry thousands of people each day but this isn't being capitalized on.

Inside the stadium its very "generic" too - i.e. the blue/grey seats, there's very little black and gold.

Just a couple of little observations.

Theres little Black and Gold for obvious reasons. Black, Gold and White on the other hand would be a good idea

 

[black_and_white_tige]

I know its only a little thing but I reckon Campbelltown Stadium should be branded more as a "Wests Tigers" stadium, outside the ground there's really nothing tying us to the stadium i.e. no signs or logos.

The passing trains carry thousands of people each day but this isn't being capitalized on.

Inside the stadium its very "generic" too - i.e. the blue/grey seats, there's very little black and gold.

Just a couple of little observations.

So true,
Drove down to Canberra the other week to watch the game and the first thing you see when getting close to Canberra was a monstrous " this is our house " sign with Campese and co. on it.
Campbelltown could follow suit and put one just off the freeway nearing CSS.
There is nothing tying the area to the Wests Tigers.
Even as you said a bloody sign outside the stadium would be a start.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

And definitley pictures of Farah and Marshall at the train station would be a good addition to. The sight of the Wests Tigers smacking you right in the face as you get off the train would be pretty cool imo

 

[Yossarian]

I know its only a little thing but I reckon Campbelltown Stadium should be branded more as a "Wests Tigers" stadium, outside the ground there's really nothing tying us to the stadium i.e. no signs or logos.

The passing trains carry thousands of people each day but this isn't being capitalized on.

Inside the stadium its very "generic" too - i.e. the blue/grey seats, there's very little black and gold.

Just a couple of little observations.

It's a council owned ground so we can't just rename it. Ditto for the seat colours which might not be a goer unless you could convince council. Some signs may be good but again the WT don't own that land so they'd need to get permission and pay for it. Not saying they shouldn't do so but there are some potential roadblocks.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

And definitley pictures of Farah and Marshall at the train station would be a good addition to. The sight of the Wests Tigers smacking you right in the face as you get off the train would be pretty cool imo

I wouldve thought this stuff was the norm in Sydney… You cant turn onto a major road or major precinct without seeing the bloody head of Sam Thaiday and his Donkeys on the Sunshine Coast.

This isnt happening in Campbelltown?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

And definitley pictures of Farah and Marshall at the train station would be a good addition to. The sight of the Wests Tigers smacking you right in the face as you get off the train would be pretty cool imo

I wouldve thought this stuff was the norm in Sydney… You cant turn onto a major road or major precinct without seeing the bloody head of Sam Thaiday and his Donkeys on the Sunshine Coast.

This isnt happening in Campbelltown?

I don't know as i don't live there. If it isn't it should be. From what i've seen the only place that has a WT feel is Wests Leagues. When you walk into the main foyer, theres a massive photo of the 05 team with the premiership trophy. McArthur square is another place that should be covered in WT imagery if it isn't already. Same goes for our area in inner-Sydney. Every place that is considered Tiger territory should have this as it would build a sense of owenership and tribalism

 

[TigersAreTerrific]

Having read this post, countless times in counteless threads it has become tiring, so I will assist you with you with your understanding.

Balmain left Leichardt for Parramatta at the end of 1994 trying to chase their supporters that had moved away from their support base. They returned to Leichardt oval after a couple of seasons. It turned out the crowd wasn't showing up because they kept losing (who'd have thought).

You forgot to mention the name change. The Sydney Tigers experiment along with the move to Parramatta Stadium was a marketing attempt to be the prominent team in the Sydney area. It was deemed that the brand of "Balmain" was too centric to a specific suburb and the club needed to appeal to more fans and sponsors - hence the name change. It was also done to position the club in the expectation that the administration of the game would look to reduce Sydney teams. Canterbury and Eastern Suburbs were the other combatants and after the sponsorship dollars and expected massive crowds did not come through the door (in part due to poor onfield performances), Balmain abandoned the idea and went back to Leichhardt and the brand of Balmain Tigers.

I completely agree. My post was pointing out to wtfl1981 that they didn't
leave Leichardt Oval in 1994 because it was "outdated for first grade
rugby league".

I didn't "forget" to mention the rebranding as the Sydney Tigers because
I was trying to be respectful of former magpies supporters. The rebranding
of the Balmain Tigers to the Sydney Tigers was before its time. We will
soon be competing against the Western Panthers and the Greater Western
Sydney Giants. The Wests Tigers brand is being eroded. We may as well
return to Sydney Tigers and try to appeal a much broader base than just
Campbelltown. We are competing for supporters across the NRL landscape,
the days of local teams are gone.

Embracing Wests Tigers is a two way street. Campbelltown never embraced the magpies, similarly, they never embraced Wests Tigers. It is also up to Campbelltown to embrace Wests Tigers, which is why the low crowds are being discussed.

Rubbish. Campbelltown embraced the Magpies, the problem was that Super League killed this support just as the club began to thrive in the area. The NRL has some responsibility in what has occurred in the area (along with Gosford). Both Wests and North Sydney left their traditional areas to build new markets but got bugger all support from the game's administrators. If only some investment from the NRL was placed into Gosford and Campbelltown, then the game would have a much better base on which to stand against AFL.

Campbelltown has embraced the Wests Tigers. After the first year of the merger, Campbelltown averaged 13,733 against Leichhardt's 10,417\. After 2001, Campbelltown's average since the merger was 11,469 with Leichhardt averaging just 9,900\. Leichhardt's crowds were nothing short of a disgrace in the early years of the merger and did not start to rise to its current average till 2004 and 2005\. No wonder we had to move to Homebush.

The long term averages of both grounds have increased at the same rate since 2008.

I am thrilled to hear that Campbelltown has embraced the Wests Tigers. Is
there any chance that you could tell galahs and his supporters so they
can stop destabilising Wests Tigers.

 

[Goose]

interesting that you think Panthers will adopt West (to replace Penrith) as it has more appeal, but in the same breath think we should abandon Wests as our moniker to compete…..As a former Balmain man, one of the best parts of the merger commercially speaking is picking up Wests as a branding tool, no way I'd suggest flicking it, and if anyone else adopts it we will forever have ownership of it as we have history, unlike Sydney as a title which no one owns. Are the roosters still sticking with that, not really working out for them.

As for the rest of this stuff, this is the biggest storm in a tea cup ever, the crowd was about normal, both leichhardt and campbelltown have roughly the same life time average, at the moment Leichhardt is a bit "in", and we are riding a wave there, at various stages it will be less popular and campbelltown will have a bit of a run for whatever reason. I myself at times go through periods where I love the atomsphere being so close to the ground and all that at leichhardt and other times I get the sh1ts with the obstructed viewing and crappy facilities, depending on which way i feel greatly influences how much I bust to get to a game there.

i think we are trying to solve a problem that doesnt really exist, could we do more, sure, always, but relax guys, things are looking good at the moment in West tiger town

 

[Snake]

There better be a huge crowd on Sunday or there will be trouble (Liechardt not pulling there weight) the Latte brigade let the side down …Liechardt averages down ,Campbelltown could come out on top in 2012.Hope in the not to distant future the Tigers get there own ground permanatly us v them over it!!!!!!!!

 

[TigersAreTerrific]

interesting that you think Panthers will adopt West (to replace Penrith) as it has more appeal, but in the same breath think we should abandon Wests as our moniker to compete…..As a former Balmain man, one of the best parts of the merger commercially speaking is picking up Wests as a branding tool, no way I'd suggest flicking it, and if anyone else adopts it we will forever have ownership of it as we have history, unlike Sydney as a title which no one owns. Are the roosters still sticking with that, not really working out for them.

I'm not sure why that would be interesting. Penrith improve their position, but in the process degrade our position. Western Panthers versus Wests Tigers. I hope the Wests Tigers did their damndest to stop that and were simply legally unable to stop it, because otherwise that is disgraceful management on our behalf. It is like a game of choose your favourite big cat.

Comparing the Rossters and Wests Tigers is like comparing apples and orange.

 

[Snake]

Wests Sydney Tigers lets take ownership of the whole city I say ..long name though but doesn't sound to bad .