I feel Sheens needs to go .....

[citizen_cub]

Moors and BMM barely seen last night?

Immediately following their entrance to the game, the 'go foward', in tandem with KG, looked good, better than at any stage throughout the night.

 

[Knuckles]

Ho hum… What relevance do these opinions have if the coach and team are winning.
Winning remember... It's what the coach and players are paid to do.
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Firstly, you should not be satisfied with a win like that (or the Parra win).

Secondly, if we lose matches the reaction is: "don't blame the coach, people only criticize Sheens when we lose". So, I think this is a very fair time to lay some criticism on Sheens.

I tend to agree with gold on black above - team selections are bizarre to say the least. But then again they always have been with Sheens.

You can't disagree that Melbourne and Brisbane are the 2 form teams at the moment we lost to Brisbane as a result of 2 mistakes. If those 2 bombs had been taken the tigers would have won the game. That game showed me the tigers are a lot better than people give them credit for. They are a very well coached side and are coached to win tough games.
Games where a team is expected to win are often the most difficult because the team expects an easy game, the fans think its a cakewalk and the media think its a done deal. it's hard to shake that expectation. I'm sure sheens had them mentally sharp against parra, it was only when they thought it was a repeat of the penrith game that a few put the cue in the rack, and they capitulated.
Last night, with the reports of so many injuries they played the first half with the expectation of a training run, and were lapped it was the second half where they switched on. All teams do this, Manly got done by parra and the titans. Judge sheens on his performance at the end of the year, not after week 9 where we are 4&5\. To be honest I think they're doing ok in spite if the fact we are a half short.
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Yep … I'll go along with that.

 

[Tigerdave]

Ho hum… What relevance do these opinions have if the coach and team are winning.
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The team is winning in spite of the coach.

Which many were saying during '07-'09

 

[Tigerdave]

They said during the call that there was very little talk happening on the field with the guys as well, it's not a good sign at all.

The whole Humble move has me perplexed and obviously he either doesn't feel Miller is ready or doesn't rate him and we won't see him ever in the starting line up.

Barely used BMM and Moors, which is just ludicrous given how well they've both gone when given the time, playing Lawrence, who has not been in form even in centre, out of position, continuing with Lote even though it's quite clear he's just not up to speed and it strongly appears he's told Benji to NOT take the line on and dial things down a lot. Yes Benji did need to start playing the percentages a bit more, but he's gone too far the other direction now.

 

[innsaneink]

You can't disagree that Melbourne and Brisbane are the 2 form teams at the moment we lost to Brisbane as a result of 2 mistakes. If those 2 bombs had been taken the tigers would have won the game. That game showed me the tigers are a lot better than people give them credit for. They are a very well coached side and are coached to win tough games.

We went OK here against Bris, we showed what we are capable of…..however its usually only every 5 or 6 weeks we see them near their best. The coach cannot get any consistency from them and hasnt done this in 10 years bar a few 8 or 9 game winning streaks

Games where a team is expected to win are often the most difficult because the team expects an easy game, the fans think its a cakewalk and the media think its a done deal. it's hard to shake that expectation.

I always hear players and coaches say "There's NO easy games in the NRL, the English players say there are some easy games, not here though, and if theyre lisyening or taking any note of the media that is unprofessional to say the least

I'm sure sheens had them mentally sharp against parra, it was only when they thought it was a repeat of the penrith game that a few put the cue in the rack, and they capitulated.

...........and it coninued yet a week later for more than the first half last night, the coach had a week to prepare them for this yet it was like a continuationn of the end of the Parra game.

Last night, with the reports of so many injuries they played the first half with the expectation of a training run, and were lapped it was the second half where they switched on. All teams do this, Manly got done by parra and the titans. Judge sheens on his performance at the end of the year, not after week 9 where we are 4&5\. To be honest I think they're doing ok in spite if the fact we are a half short.

That doesnt wash, sorry:
_Wests Tigers Head Coach Tim Sheens says his players must respect whoever starts for the Gold Coast Titans at Skilled Park on Saturday night._
“The Titans showed (against Brisbane) they have got plenty of spirit in the club. We are not in such a good position where we can expect to just turn up to win. We haven’t won there (Skilled Park) very often at all so we are expecting a tough game.
“They have a very strong forward pack. The big issue for us is making sure we respect whoever they start.

 

[Knuckles]

We've always had trouble with teams we are expected to beat. Up against better teams like Manly and Brisbane we have played a lot better but didn't get the result. It's just the way the Wests Tigers are … no amount of theory, conjecture or expectation is going to change that. As I said last week, expect the unexpected and you won't go to bed disappointed. I slept like a log last night haha !!!

 

[innsaneink]

I slept fine too because my expectations now are very very low….I was unimpressed but not surprised by last nights display

However I dont like feeling this way....thats why I want change and improvement.....

 

[Black_Orange_White]

In hindsight the best move was to snare Hasler from the Sea Eagles and not resign Sheens and let him walk to Penrith. He does need to go, or change his coaching selections immediately. Drop Tuqiri, bring back Miller and PLAY LAWRENCE AT CENTER!

 

[foreveratiger]

I slept fine too because my expectations now are very very low….I was unimpressed but not surprised by last nights display

However I dont like feeling this way....thats why I want change and improvement.....

As much as i will always be grateful to Sheens for the premiership he has given us , and the good culture hes installed in our players over the years, i feel he needs to go, the team has gone stale . Hes tactics are plain dumb , leaving 2 fresh reserves to the 60th minute what is that ? and hes famous for sometimes not even playing a reserve. He had a week to get this team fully focused and reved up after the last 15 minutes vs Parra not good enough.
As much as Robert Lui had to go and was a speed bump in defence , i feel we were a much better organised team in attack and had good talk about him out there and demanded where he wanted his forwards running, that has been our missing link this year and cause of it our team is all over the shop . We are trialling things in round 9 when this stuff should of been sorted in pre season.
I would like to see Todd Payten being our new coach hes doing wonders for the Toyota cup? Thoughts….or is it ex players that played with these players would not work like Nathan Brown e.g?

 

[Tigerdave]

I would like to see Todd Payten being our new coach hes doing wonders for the Toyota cup? Thoughts….or is it ex players that played with these players would not work like Nathan Brown e.g?

Hmmm I think the players have enough respect for Todd to not let the fact he used to play with them have too much of a negative effect, but NYC is a different beast to handle than NRL. Let's see how Todd goes with a couple more years under his belt there.

Prefer to bring in someone else, would have loved to see how Folkes would have gone in the top job, but that ship I think has sailed.

 

[Guest]

They said during the call that there was very little talk happening on the field with the guys as well, it's not a good sign at all.

The whole Humble move has me perplexed and obviously he either doesn't feel Miller is ready or doesn't rate him and we won't see him ever in the starting line up.

Barely used BMM and Moors, which is just ludicrous given how well they've both gone when given the time, playing Lawrence, who has not been in form even in centre, out of position, continuing with Lote even though it's quite clear he's just not up to speed and it strongly appears he's told Benji to NOT take the line on and dial things down a lot. Yes Benji did need to start playing the percentages a bit more, but he's gone too far the other direction now.

Sheens deliberately gave Woods and Galloway big minutes last night, partly to show that they can go the distance in SOO if chosen - That's my take on it after listening to him on ABC Grandstand.

 

[Tigerdave]

They said during the call that there was very little talk happening on the field with the guys as well, it's not a good sign at all.

The whole Humble move has me perplexed and obviously he either doesn't feel Miller is ready or doesn't rate him and we won't see him ever in the starting line up.

Barely used BMM and Moors, which is just ludicrous given how well they've both gone when given the time, playing Lawrence, who has not been in form even in centre, out of position, continuing with Lote even though it's quite clear he's just not up to speed and it strongly appears he's told Benji to NOT take the line on and dial things down a lot. Yes Benji did need to start playing the percentages a bit more, but he's gone too far the other direction now.

Sheens deliberately gave Woods and Galloway big minutes last night, partly to show that they can go the distance in SOO if chosen - That's my take on it after listening to him on ABC Grandstand.

Right, but Lawrence is also up for SOO yet he plays him out of position, so I'm struggling to buy that.

 

[hammertime]

For me, it's the problem with us not fired up to play.

I have a feeling that Sheensy's constant negativity must drain the enthusiasm of the guys. You see it every press conference or whinge at the refs. I know it would grate on me!

We need a positive coach to ensure that these fellas are fired up ready to play every week.
We have to rely on the characters like Beau & Robbie to provide the fire way too often.

Sheensy is a great coach because he puts is so much thought and research to each individual game… maybe too much sometimes. But he doesn't seem to be a motivator!

.... Another option would be to bring in someone like Piercey as another assistant to provide some fire and passion.

 

[851]

They said during the call that there was very little talk happening on the field with the guys as well, it's not a good sign at all.

The whole Humble move has me perplexed and obviously he either doesn't feel Miller is ready or doesn't rate him and we won't see him ever in the starting line up.

Barely used BMM and Moors, which is just ludicrous given how well they've both gone when given the time, playing Lawrence, who has not been in form even in centre, out of position, continuing with Lote even though it's quite clear he's just not up to speed and it strongly appears he's told Benji to NOT take the line on and dial things down a lot. Yes Benji did need to start playing the percentages a bit more, but he's gone too far the other direction now.

Sheens deliberately gave Woods and Galloway big minutes last night, partly to show that they can go the distance in SOO if chosen - That's my take on it after listening to him on ABC Grandstand.

Right, but Lawrence is also up for SOO yet he plays him out of position, so I'm struggling to buy that.

Exactly,Rowdy needs to find his form at centre,the whole 4 halfbacks in 9 games is a joke,Sheen's is a joke,it is time go Tim,you have lost the sheds,and if you couldn't pick them up after the being run down by Souths and then letting in 5 tries in 13 minutes last week,then you are never going to pick them up.

 

[BenjiMagic96]

did you guys miss that Sheens made them practice last winning set of the game in training, this means he was prepared

 

[Blackandwhite]

The whole Humble move has me perplexed and obviously he either doesn't feel Miller is ready or doesn't rate him and we won't see him ever in the starting line up.

Of course Miller isn't rated that should be crystal clear by now.

Sheens won't be going anywhere no matter what. I would say the plan is for Todd Payten to step into the job in 2015 with Sheens coaching director.

 

[innsaneink]

This is my fear…it will be Sheens decision who replaces him.
He seems to have way too much control, this if it occurs will not be a fair and neutral decision, his successor will bow to him and it will be more of the same.
Sheens in his time has seen the baggage this club has with the in-laws, its given him the opportunity to step in and take charge where debating & feuding boards from either sides of the JV are on different pages....its becoming unhealthy imo.
Its Sheens way or the highway when everything is concerned.....better to get experts in their varying fields and LET THEM BE EXPERTS

 

[foreveratiger]

The way i see it is, certain high profile players will not get dropped doesn't matter how bad they play, For me on form the past 9 weeks how Moltzen, Tuquiri,Humble,Groat, are still in 1st grade is beyond me , they will not get dropped and i think we are running the risk of losing such a great player like Koriobete ,being signed by another club for not given a go . What has Tuquiri done? Hate how Sheens uses his bench. Thanks for everything Sheensy but its time to go , need fresh ideas… that's just my opinion....

 

[bp_tiger]

To put it all into one word Sheens is just been ARGENT to all us fans.

 

[Saturnalia]

In terms of replacements

It looks like Payten is doing very well with leading the young team around

Could be an NRL coach in the not too distant future.

Might be a bit weird for him to coach players he use to play alongside but I think he'd do well actually.