I think the issue is Sheens

[TigersFan101]

Go and watch the game last week.

Brooks lover101 I was at the game

 

[matchball]

It feels like we've time warped back to 2012. Sheens was stinking up the place and we were going backwards after Robert Lui's departure.

 

[liltiger]

Righto, here's my two cents.
On field, the common denominator is a lack of leadership and has been for years. This mob plays like a rabble. You can put a name to an individual, or not, but one way or another the team needs a footy brain leading them on the field.
Most of the players are fine, at least adequate. Players from this team always seem to do OK at other clubs with different coaching.
Playing heads up footy is great, but you need structure behind it. Your opposition has to anticipate structured play which you then work around with heads up play. Ok, Maguire was too rigid, but these guys are all over the place.
Im not convinced by the idea of Marshall/Sheens coaching.

Here's the worry I have, I have no doubt Sheens can sort it out and get us playing finals footy again. My worry is he has only 2 years before Marshall takes over. 2 years to fix this mess is no where near enough. Then it's being handed to someone who hasn't coached anything in his life.

 

[liltiger]

I just posted in another thread about our attack and it's all on the coaches. They are not playing to Brooks and Doueihi's strengths at all.

The way I see it, we have Api controlling the middle on his own. No ball playing lock helping, and no halfback on the ball helping. We are playing Brooks wide expecting his pace will cause trouble on the edge. Problem is, the hooker isn't enough to condense the middle to give Luke space. We need to shift our thinking. Brooks' speed will be more beneficial through the middle. He needs to play close to the ruck unless we somehow unearth a smart lock. This will open up the edge for Doueihi and the fullback.

The idea behind the structure makes no sense. Long ball to the halves with just the hooker controlling the middle = shocking coaching.

I reckon half our problem is we are just a lazy team. Api pushes up noone is near him, forwards take a hit up free their arm there's noone around. Everyone is just standing back and watching. These posers need a rocket. You either have desire or you don't. I'd be telling them they need to find it quickly or can look for it in reserve grade.

 

[jirskyr]

Maybe not, but he sacrificed the team last year by releasing and loaning players mid season supposedly to front load the salary cap for a better showing this year. We could have easily avoided the spoon if we tried.

So far he has not made good on that sacrifice.

Players like who, Nofo and Luch?

I have zero problem with any of the players Tigers let go last year. I will point out Luch is currently stood down from Cowboys and hasn't played since September due to his DV charges.

I'm sorry but saying that a coach's "grace period is nearly up" (the original comment) is madness after 2 games as head coach. I don't care what Sheens did or did not do in his role 2022 - he wasn't the coach.

I'm not even saying I think Sheens is doing a good job right now, but I am saying it's too early to do anything about it. Sheens will be head coach for 2023 and 2024 unless the club decides to give Benji the reigns early, but we aren't going to see anyone but Benji or Sheens front the organisation until at least 2026.

 

[earl]

Brooks lover101 I was at the game

Not at all. I suggest you missed a lot of what actually happened or you have massive bias. Go and re-watch the game because you have it completely and utterly wrong.

As an aside I gave Brooks the 3 points as I thought he was our best player. The whole team were extremely poor. Others gave him the 3 points as well.

One guy even posted all our 5th tackle plays.

LIVE GAME - Live Game Discussion, vs Newcastle - Rd 2 *Spoilers*

Playing so well in the 2nd trial was some kind of sick joke. Sick bastards. Any coincidence we looked far better in that Canberra trial was because Wakeham was at 7 not Brooks

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You could also watch this play:- https://weststigersforum.com/threads/adam-doueihi-227.26774/page-186#post-1747732

I don't rate Brooks highly at all. I thought Hastings and Doueihi would outplay him last season but they didn't.

 

[earl]

I'm not even saying I think Sheens is doing a good job right now, but I am saying it's too early to do anything about it.

It's too early to make coaching changes isn't it. The concern to me is we picked the wrong guys. The problem in stating that is we tried really really hard to get Ciraldo but couldn't and he was a rookie coach. We had a premiership coach in Madge and that didn't help.

So maybe we picked the wrong guys but who is better out there.

Hopefully it all turns around this week for at least a week.

 

[tony soprano]

Players like who, Nofo and Luch?

I have zero problem with any of the players Tigers let go last year. I will point out Luch is currently stood down from Cowboys and hasn't played since September due to his DV charges.

I'm sorry but saying that a coach's "grace period is nearly up" (the original comment) is madness after 2 games as head coach. I don't care what Sheens did or did not do in his role 2022 - he wasn't the coach.

I'm not even saying I think Sheens is doing a good job right now, but I am saying it's too early to do anything about it. Sheens will be head coach for 2023 and 2024 unless the club decides to give Benji the reigns early, but we aren't going to see anyone but Benji or Sheens front the organisation until at least 2026.

Yep sheens is stratigic as the best of them.

Basically has no accountability next couple of years then off back to England.

Enjoy

 

[earl]

Yep sheens is stratigic as the best of them.

Basically has no accountability next couple of years then off back to England.

Enjoy

I was speaking to him the other day and he stated how he thought he had 50k to spend each year in retirement but this 2 year deal means he can now spend about 100k per year in retirement. Good times.

He didn't mention anything about winning games.

 

[BrissieTiger67]

I don't like the optics of having Marshal with the headphones and upfront in the box , not first few games. It makes it hard to roll that back if, as it is, the team starts underperforming. Thats the same as putting kimmorley in last year. Dumb move that just feeds the media.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

I dunno why anyone is surprised that the AD/Brooks combo sucks. It was bad in 2021 and it's bad now. The kicking game and bad ball set management have improved. The good balls sets are just inept.

Brooks looks his most dangerous around the halfway line with a retreating defence. That seems to be where he can be most damaging. When we are inside the 20m and attacking on Brooks's left, we are way too flat. Newcastle defended us so easily because guys were standing too close to each other.

AD looks at his best when he shapes to pass but runs. He tends to play too early too often. He doesn't dig into the line far enough.

I get what Sheens is trying to do. He is trying to work the middles over and compress the opposition defence to create space later in a set. It's basic rugby league. It would have worked 2-3 years ago during the Vlandys ball era, but it doesn't work in 2023. The PTB speed isn't as rapid as then, and teams have adapted to the faster paced play. They will keep turning up in defence. New ideas are needed.

 

[earl]

I dunno why anyone is surprised that the AD/Brooks combo sucks

Two edge running halves with extremely low footy IQ. It's like you are setting the team up for failure.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Players like who, Nofo and Luch?

I have zero problem with any of the players Tigers let go last year. I will point out Luch is currently stood down from Cowboys and hasn't played since September due to his DV charges.

I'm sorry but saying that a coach's "grace period is nearly up" (the original comment) is madness after 2 games as head coach. I don't care what Sheens did or did not do in his role 2022 - he wasn't the coach.

I'm not even saying I think Sheens is doing a good job right now, but I am saying it's too early to do anything about it. Sheens will be head coach for 2023 and 2024 unless the club decides to give Benji the reigns early, but we aren't going to see anyone but Benji or Sheens front the organisation until at least 2026.

💯

 

[The Ladies Man]

I get it but that is unrealistic isn't it. Plus they've just had a clean out.

It's the tigers. We're 0 and 2.
Time for a rebuild

 

[The_Patriot]

Players like who, Nofo and Luch?

I have zero problem with any of the players Tigers let go last year. I will point out Luch is currently stood down from Cowboys and hasn't played since September due to his DV charges.

I'm sorry but saying that a coach's "grace period is nearly up" (the original comment) is madness after 2 games as head coach. I don't care what Sheens did or did not do in his role 2022 - he wasn't the coach.

I'm not even saying I think Sheens is doing a good job right now, but I am saying it's too early to do anything about it. Sheens will be head coach for 2023 and 2024 unless the club decides to give Benji the reigns early, but we aren't going to see anyone but Benji or Sheens front the organisation until at least 2026.

Absolutely way too early.

Thats just ridiculous to even suggest it at this stage.

Sounds like crying Madge fans.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Here's the worry I have, I have no doubt Sheens can sort it out and get us playing finals footy again. My worry is he has only 2 years before Marshall takes over. 2 years to fix this mess is no where near enough. Then it's being handed to someone who hasn't coached anything in his life.

The worry I have is that Sheens can't sort the mess and Marshall isn't up to it.
I think if Sheens were able to sort the mess we would have seen inklings of that in the matches already played. He's had a full off season and I understand most/many of these players are new to the combinations in the team but if you look at the Dolphins performance as an example of a team who are also new to each other, by comparison, there is nothing in our performances so far that indicates any coaching direction.
With Marshall, when has he ever ben an exponent of structured play? His skill was in reading the field and playing off the cuff. I don't have much faith in his ability to bring this rabble together.

 

[weststigerman]

Players like who, Nofo and Luch?

I have zero problem with any of the players Tigers let go last year. I will point out Luch is currently stood down from Cowboys and hasn't played since September due to his DV charges.

I'm sorry but saying that a coach's "grace period is nearly up" (the original comment) is madness after 2 games as head coach. I don't care what Sheens did or did not do in his role 2022 - he wasn't the coach.

I'm not even saying I think Sheens is doing a good job right now, but I am saying it's too early to do anything about it. Sheens will be head coach for 2023 and 2024 unless the club decides to give Benji the reigns early, but we aren't going to see anyone but Benji or Sheens front the organisation until at least 2026.

He let go of Mikaele, Luciano and then loaned out Nofa and Gildart for no particular reason. This meant we had players like Pauga, Dias, Freebairn who have been career reserve graders playing NRL. This directly led to getting the spoon (we all remember Pauga's clanger last year).

Leilua's charges are irrelevant as they had no bearing on the 2022 season.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post that it's too early but he shouldn't get a free pass for last year given he created that mess.

 

[crazycat]

Players like who, Nofo and Luch?

I have zero problem with any of the players Tigers let go last year. I will point out Luch is currently stood down from Cowboys and hasn't played since September due to his DV charges.

I'm sorry but saying that a coach's "grace period is nearly up" (the original comment) is madness after 2 games as head coach. I don't care what Sheens did or did not do in his role 2022 - he wasn't the coach.

I'm not even saying I think Sheens is doing a good job right now, but I am saying it's too early to do anything about it. Sheens will be head coach for 2023 and 2024 unless the club decides to give Benji the reigns early, but we aren't going to see anyone but Benji or Sheens front the organisation until at least 2026.

Wow Luch is on DV charges? We dodged a massive bullet there.

Agreed, I gave Sheens till round 6 to get at least 2 wins. Not huge expectations but I want to see some success.

Come round 6, maybe round 8 considering Bateman hasn't started.... I want Sheens on notice if he isn't making the goods. The whole "Sheens" idea is madness, it is a shame Manly did not fire Des Haslier sooner.

 

[jirskyr]

He let go of Mikaele, Luciano and then loaned out Nofa and Gildart for no particular reason. This meant we had players like Pauga, Dias, Freebairn who have been career reserve graders playing NRL. This directly led to getting the spoon (we all remember Pauga's clanger last year).

Leilua's charges are irrelevant as they had no bearing on the 2022 season.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post that it's too early but he shouldn't get a free pass for last year given he created that mess.

Mate he's got a free pass for 12 probably 24 months and everyone needs to get their heads around that.

Not granted by me, granted by the club.

Seriously the number of fans that want to shout at the wind astounds me.

 

[jirskyr]

Wow Luch is on DV charges? We dodged a massive bullet there.

Agreed, I gave Sheens till round 6 to get at least 2 wins. Not huge expectations but I want to see some success.

Come round 6, maybe round 8 considering Bateman hasn't started.... I want Sheens on notice if he isn't making the goods. The whole "Sheens" idea is madness, it is a shame Manly did not fire Des Haslier sooner.

If you want the clincher, reportedly Luch has become engaged to the woman at the centre of the DV charges and she doesn't want the case to proceed.