If Taylor goes what then!

[stevetiger]

Steve, if that was the case I don't think that JT would have made this decision. To me something happened this year between them that can't be resolved, no matter what one or both may say. Farah is banking on JT relenting and I can't believe that Farah will change his game or attitude just to placate the coach.

We have no idea regarding any of this. We do know one thing though - they should both be professional about the situation with the implication that they therefore work it out. I mean does anyone seriously believe that Robbie goes out there trying to lose the game and JT wants us to lose more games. Surely they both want to win and if so they should be working together.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe he got a bigger deal to stay, no matter what anyone says, only he would know,
Maybe more likely is that he wants to play with mates, and/ or doesn't expect that Taylor will be here much longer !!!!

Just what your argument needs, even more speculation. The only fact around Ava is that he re-signed, and made special mention of the coaching stuff as a reason why.

"…..But....but, he only re-signed because of his mates and under the assumption JT would be gone soon"

It's hilarious. A player leaves and he's "abandoning ship". No one wants to play under JT. They re-sign and it's only to play with their mates and in hope he's gone soon. You'll argue it in your favour no matter what happens.

What I stated is as likely to be the truth as anything that you have said about it.
He's not about to bake the Coach even if he thinks the worst coach he has ever seen, as he's seen what happens to anyone one who gets on the wrong side Taylor.

And speculation is what this whole 155 pages is all about. As you know no more than I , or anyone else here does . We are ALL speculating.
The only concrete fact is that, preseason training starts next month, and Farah will be there. Along with his legal contract. Whether he plays reserve grade is more speculation, as is whether Taylor lasts very long next season.
My guess is he won't last very long, but that's just complete speculation.

What Ava said wasn't speculation, it was a direct quote. He didn't have to risk putting himself on the wrong side of JT, he could have easily left, but he didn't. If the situation was as bad as you're making out he'd have left. Instead, this so called mass exodus that supposedly would occur has started with a player re-signing. I suppose if a few more re-sign it will be under the assumption he'll soon be gone, not the fact that the players relationship with him might not be as strained as some want to believe.

 

[stevetiger]

What Ava said wasn't speculation, it was a direct quote. He didn't have to risk putting himself on the wrong side of JT, he could have easily left, but he didn't. If the situation was as bad as you're making out he'd have left. Instead, this so called mass exodus that supposedly would occur has started with a player re-signing. I suppose if a few more re-sign it will be under the assumption he'll soon be gone, not the fact that the players relationship with him might not be as strained as some want to believe.

Look I doubt JT is the most popular coach in the NRL. I expect a lot of the players think he is a muppet based on his game plans this year. In stating all of that being offered a contract at the Wests Tigers is a big deal. We aren't that bad a club like peeps on here want to make out.

We've had a dud year in no small amount due to having a dud coach. We can improve from here and so can JT. If Robbie goes or if JT goes or if they both stay we can have a good season next season and past that point.

If we start winning some games the whole situation will turnaround.

 

[Geo]

Coaches get way to much credit for winning games and cop to much crap for losing them as well…

You can have the greatest game plan in the world but when we complete at less than 70% which happened on quite a number of occasions last year missing over 50 tackles in games we lost.... the game plan means squat,,,

When the team completed at 80+ % and minimised the missed tackles we notched up some great wins against top 8 teams including the Storm, Dogs, Souff's and Dragons...there didn't seem to be much wrong with the game plans in those Victories...

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Maybe he got a bigger deal to stay, no matter what anyone says, only he would know,
Maybe more likely is that he wants to play with mates, and/ or doesn't expect that Taylor will be here much longer !!!!

Just what your argument needs, even more speculation. The only fact around Ava is that he re-signed, and made special mention of the coaching stuff as a reason why.

"…..But....but, he only re-signed because of his mates and under the assumption JT would be gone soon"

It's hilarious. A player leaves and he's "abandoning ship". No one wants to play under JT. They re-sign and it's only to play with their mates and in hope he's gone soon. You'll argue it in your favour no matter what happens.

I didn't say that Ava was

What I stated is as likely to be the truth as anything that you have said about it.
He's not about to bake the Coach even if he thinks the worst coach he has ever seen, as he's seen what happens to anyone one who gets on the wrong side Taylor.

And speculation is what this whole 155 pages is all about. As you know no more than I , or anyone else here does . We are ALL speculating.
The only concrete fact is that, preseason training starts next month, and Farah will be there. Along with his legal contract. Whether he plays reserve grade is more speculation, as is whether Taylor lasts very long next season.
My guess is he won't last very long, but that's just complete speculation.

What Ava said wasn't speculation, it was a direct quote. He didn't have to risk putting himself on the wrong side of JT, he could have easily left, but he didn't. If the situation was as bad as you're making out he'd have left. Instead, this so called mass exodus that supposedly would occur has started with a player re-signing. I suppose if a few more re-sign it will be under the assumption he'll soon be gone, not the fact that the players relationship with him might not be as strained as some want to believe.

I didn't say that what Ava said was speculation.
But if you believe it every time some player signs a new contract and gives the coach a wrap, you are seriously nieve. He wants to play first grade, just because he's a forward, doesn't mean he's dumb., he's just saying what's expected.
Whether he means it or not is anyone's guess.

 

[batboy]

It's funny - all the reports out of the GF luncheon about Farah and Taylor barely acknowledging each other, that Farah doesn't get along with him etc, etc.
I wonder how Farah will go with life after football? There is a fair chance he will have to work for a boss, and bosses tell you what to do - that's how it is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to do it, you have to do it the way you're asked to. You don't have to like the boss, but you do have to listen to him, and most of all respect him…. At all times!!
Who the hell does Robbie think he is... Club legend or not - his moral compass is so off kilter its astounding

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[Snake]

if Farah stays he will have to do what the coach wants I would imagine that will be the deal ..how long do you think this is going to last ..Farah does not play the way the coach wants so that is a problem from the get go he will not be playing the entire game this is another problem ..Farah refuses to leave the field on request apparently. Any body that thinks this can be worked out are fooling themselves and in this situation the employer will have the right to dismiss, I have read comment on unfair dismissal here with how the club is treating Farah well trust me an employer also has rights! This is not going to end well.

 

[Newtown]

It's funny - all the reports out of the GF luncheon about Farah and Taylor barely acknowledging each other, that Farah doesn't get along with him etc, etc.
I wonder how Farah will go with life after football? There is a fair chance he will have to work for a boss, and bosses tell you what to do - that's how it is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to do it, you have to do it the way you're asked to. You don't have to like the boss, but you do have to listen to him, and most of all respect him…. At all times!!
Who the hell does Robbie think he is... Club legend or not - his moral compass is so off kilter its astounding

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Farah has to finally realise that the club does not revolve around him any more.

 

[happy_tiger]

Probably the reason you don't make players life members before they have retired

Another lesson I hope this club learns from

 

[stevetiger]

Farah refuses to leave the field on request apparently.

This is the only thing that concerns me however I wonder if it is true. If it is I would play him in reggies the next week.

 

[Telltails]

It's funny - all the reports out of the GF luncheon about Farah and Taylor barely acknowledging each other, that Farah doesn't get along with him etc, etc.
I wonder how Farah will go with life after football? There is a fair chance he will have to work for a boss, and bosses tell you what to do - that's how it is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to do it, you have to do it the way you're asked to. You don't have to like the boss, but you do have to listen to him, and most of all respect him…. At all times!!
Who the hell does Robbie think he is... Club legend or not - his moral compass is so off kilter its astounding

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Batboy - kind of think if you were Farah, and if Taylor was trying to get you tossed out of your workplace that you wouldnt be rushing up to have a drink with him! Considering the unresolved tension between the two I think the wisest thing that both did for the benefit of everyone, was to keep well away from one another. Got nothing to do with moral compass - it has got plenty to do with a difficult situation that appears to be at a stalemate - one has a contract to play at the club, the other has a contract to coach. The CEO and board have got a major problem - and while many will say that they have got to back the coach - to draw quality players to your club you have to make it look like a place you want to play at. The treatment of Farah does little to support that, and this will not go unnoticed by player managers. If Taylor has a successful year next year all will be forgotten - if not, we will continue our cycle of damage control and who knows what the repercussions of that will be! The best outcome for the CLUB - if Farah cant secure a position somewhere else - would BE for them to find a way to both rise above their issues, and get on with doing what they are employed to do. Farah to play to the best of his ability for the team, and Taylor to coach the players that are contracted to the club.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

It's funny - all the reports out of the GF luncheon about Farah and Taylor barely acknowledging each other, that Farah doesn't get along with him etc, etc.
I wonder how Farah will go with life after football? There is a fair chance he will have to work for a boss, and bosses tell you what to do - that's how it is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to do it, you have to do it the way you're asked to. You don't have to like the boss, but you do have to listen to him, and most of all respect him…. At all times!!
Who the hell does Robbie think he is... Club legend or not - his moral compass is so off kilter its astounding

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Farah has to finally realise that the club does not revolve around him any more.

There is a life after Benji, it will the same with Farah.

 

[cktiger]

It's funny - all the reports out of the GF luncheon about Farah and Taylor barely acknowledging each other, that Farah doesn't get along with him etc, etc.
I wonder how Farah will go with life after football? There is a fair chance he will have to work for a boss, and bosses tell you what to do - that's how it is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to do it, you have to do it the way you're asked to. You don't have to like the boss, but you do have to listen to him, and most of all respect him…. At all times!!
Who the hell does Robbie think he is... Club legend or not - his moral compass is so off kilter its astounding

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So you give it to Farah for not acknowledging Taylor and then conjecture about his life after football -but no mention about Taylor?
Seems he didn't go out of his way to high five Farah either.
Does that put Taylor in the same egotistical boat - with his moral compass out of control?
I think Taylor is the one with issues about his own life after football.
One more bad season and his chosen career is down the plughole.

 

[stevetiger]

It's funny - all the reports out of the GF luncheon about Farah and Taylor barely acknowledging each other, that Farah doesn't get along with him etc, etc.
I wonder how Farah will go with life after football? There is a fair chance he will have to work for a boss, and bosses tell you what to do - that's how it is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to do it, you have to do it the way you're asked to. You don't have to like the boss, but you do have to listen to him, and most of all respect him…. At all times!!
Who the hell does Robbie think he is... Club legend or not - his moral compass is so off kilter its astounding

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So you give it to Farah for not acknowledging Taylor and then conjecture about his life after football -but no mention about Taylor?
Seems he didn't go out of his way to high five Farah either.
Does that put Taylor in the same egotistical boat - with his moral compass out of control?
I think Taylor is the one with issues about his own life after football.
One more bad season and his chosen career is down the plughole.

The hate regarding Robbie is amazing. Taylor has been such a dud this year and he is getting a free ride on this. Robbie has bleed for the club.

 

[gallagher]

It's funny - all the reports out of the GF luncheon about Farah and Taylor barely acknowledging each other, that Farah doesn't get along with him etc, etc.
I wonder how Farah will go with life after football? There is a fair chance he will have to work for a boss, and bosses tell you what to do - that's how it is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to do it, you have to do it the way you're asked to. You don't have to like the boss, but you do have to listen to him, and most of all respect him…. At all times!!
Who the hell does Robbie think he is... Club legend or not - his moral compass is so off kilter its astounding

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So you give it to Farah for not acknowledging Taylor and then conjecture about his life after football -but no mention about Taylor?
Seems he didn't go out of his way to high five Farah either.
Does that put Taylor in the same egotistical boat - with his moral compass out of control?
I think Taylor is the one with issues about his own life after football.
One more bad season and his chosen career is down the plughole.

The hate regarding Robbie is amazing. Taylor has been such a dud this year and he is getting a free ride on this. Robbie has bleed for the club.

Taylor has bled for wests too. It means nothing now tho.

 

[batboy]

It's funny - all the reports out of the GF luncheon about Farah and Taylor barely acknowledging each other, that Farah doesn't get along with him etc, etc.
I wonder how Farah will go with life after football? There is a fair chance he will have to work for a boss, and bosses tell you what to do - that's how it is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to do it, you have to do it the way you're asked to. You don't have to like the boss, but you do have to listen to him, and most of all respect him…. At all times!!
Who the hell does Robbie think he is... Club legend or not - his moral compass is so off kilter its astounding

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So you give it to Farah for not acknowledging Taylor and then conjecture about his life after football -but no mention about Taylor?
Seems he didn't go out of his way to high five Farah either.
Does that put Taylor in the same egotistical boat - with his moral compass out of control?
I think Taylor is the one with issues about his own life after football.
One more bad season and his chosen career is down the plughole.

People seem to be missing the point - Taylor is the Coach.
Weather he knows what he's doing or not, It has no bearing on the respect he should be afforded.
From my taking, Taylor has been at this football thing for quite a bit longer than Farah, And hasn't gone long without a job. No one is lining up for Robbie - Must tell you something.
There are 100+ guys that have bled for our club….
I don't hate Farah, Not at all....
But he's been asked to move on for a reason.
Instead of looking for browny points on instagram, Or siding up with all our young fellas as a marshalling of troops....
Maybe he should look a little inward and think: Well hang on, I'm a state of Origin Player, Club Legend, Record Holder and Premiership winner....
Why on earth would they want to move me on????
Why on earth would no other club want me????
Why are al these bad things happening to me????

If he gets a different answer than the majority......

 

[stevetiger]

Maybe he should look a little inward and think: Well hang on, I'm a state of Origin Player, Club Legend, Record Holder and Premiership winner….
Why on earth would they want to move me on????
Why on earth would no other club want me????
Why are al these bad things happening to me????

If he gets a different answer than the majority......

Its pretty simple. He isn't playing to a high level and he is costing a lot of money.

 

[NT_Tiger]

….....Its pretty simple. He isn't playing to a high level and he is costing a lot of money.

I think that's right and I think there are a couple of elements to that.
One is, he knows he doesn't have to perform to a high standard in club games. He knows he's a WT 'Legend' and he is comfortable here. Just look at the idolatry coming from this forum. Happy hit the nail on the head:

Probably the reason you don't make players life members before they have retired…..

The other is, I think he is no longer particularly interested in competing at club level. He sees himself as an elite player and is now interested in the challenges of rep competition. As a result he is cruising in club games until he has to pull out a blinder e.g. round 24 this year. I think he's capable of an ongoing high level of play, I just don't think he's interested.

 

[Telltails]

….....Its pretty simple. He isn't playing to a high level and he is costing a lot of money.

I think that's right and I think there are a couple of elements to that.
One is, he knows he doesn't have to perform to a high standard in club games. He knows he's a WT 'Legend' and he is comfortable here. Just look at the idolatry coming from this forum. Happy hit the nail on the head:

Probably the reason you don't make players life members before they have retired…..

The other is, I think he is no longer particularly interested in competing at club level. He sees himself as an elite player and is now interested in the challenges of rep competition. As a result he is cruising in club games until he has to pull out a blinder e.g. round 24 this year. I think he's capable of an ongoing high level of play, I just don't think he's interested.

Wow - now we have moved on to knowing what he is thinking!!

 

[stevetiger]

I am pretty confident that Robbie wants to perform as well as he possibly can. He has just lost some pace and it impacts his game.