If you were a player...

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alex

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Want to get the general feeling out there…

If you were a player, let's say for the Storm or Broncos, would you rather stay there on $250,000 a season and be a part of a very successful team, with a great coach and a winning culture, or take up an offer of $400,000 a season with a team like Canberra or Parra, who have a terrible record on and off the field and a history of poor recruitment.

Apparently Ryan Hinchcliffe knocked back a 4-year $400,000 a year deal from the Eels (that is wayyyyy overs for him IMO) to stay with the Storm.

A lot of these struggling teams will say they're in a re-building phase etc (Cronulla has done very well), but can you see the Panthers or Raiders becoming a consistent Top 8 team in the next 5 years?
 
Depends what's important to you Alex.

If you're a good first grader but nothing more (much like Hinchcliffe,) looking for a short term windfall, you'd sign a contract where you're being paid overs. The upshot of this is you could go to a Parramatta or Canberra and if the team isn't performing around you, it can drive down your value. I'll bet Sandow is learning this very quickly.

Inversely, staying with a good team like the Storm and performing at a respectable level for a number of years, can also drive up your asking price also, ala Blair.

The Pamfers have made some decent signings for next season, but the position that is a worry for them is the #7\. For some reason it seems that Walsh this season has lost his mojo and may well be the odd man out with Sjeika (sp?) and Burns if his rough patch continues, as Cleary has shown he's not scared to wield the stick there.

Canberra have the team, they're seriously lacking a decent hooker though and their best player in Campese is perpetually injured. If they picked up a good hooker, they'd look a lot more impressive. Waddell is barely first grade standard.
 
Good point CB. It seems some players can come from these lowly teams like Parra can go to Melbourne, become solid first graders and it drives their value up - eg Hinchcliffe & Lowrie.

It's awesome how Cronulla have turned themselves right around from 2-3 years ago when they were going through all their financial difficulties etc. I'm sure the signing and performance of Carney and the addition of some other players like Gibbs, De Gois and Gordon will only increase the attraction for new recruits.
 
I might be biased but I'd stay with the tigers for 250k a season good or bad
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@alex said:
Good point CB. It seems some players can come from these lowly teams like Parra can go to Melbourne, become solid first graders and it drives their value up - eg Hinchcliffe & Lowrie.

It's awesome how Cronulla have turned themselves right around from 2-3 years ago when they were going through all their financial difficulties etc. I'm sure the signing and performance of Carney and the addition of some other players like Gibbs, De Gois and Gordon will only increase the attraction for new recruits.
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That it will, and they will have more money to play with as it won't cost them as much to attract quality players.

Paying overs though isn't necessarily exclusive to cellar dwellers either though. If we paid Blair $500K like it was reported, that's massive overs, and Souths have reportedly paid Ben Te'o overs to move there as well.
 
Blake Ferguson left the Sharks for the Raiders because "I want to win a premiership". Look how that's panned out for him….

It's hard to say, I think it'd be special to go to a team that's "re-building" and be a part of their success. Brett Kimmorley did that his entire career and I really respect that.

I think that the clubs wanting to lure "big names" are looking for quick fixes that will inevitably fail. I mean, compare us to the Eels.

The Eels have spent a truckload on Sandow and Roberts (noted names) this season to turn things around. It's failed.

The Tigers were an average side. Sheens buys Payten and Elford(relative no names), Sattler as an experienced "name" player with Hodgson and Prince, who had years of injury issues. Couple that with bleeding some young talent, and we built a foundation. I don't think he expected to win a comp the next year with the squad he'd assembled, but it started a completely new era for the club.

I can;t even think of a player who's been lured for enormous money who has been successful since Prince for the Titans in 2007.
 
@Bismark said:
Blake Ferguson left the Sharks for the Raiders because "I want to win a premiership". Look how that's panned out for him….

It's hard to say, I think it'd be special to go to a team that's "re-building" and be a part of their success. Brett Kimmorley did that his entire career and I really respect that.

I think that the clubs wanting to lure "big names" are looking for quick fixes that will inevitably fail. I mean, compare us to the Eels.

The Eels have spent a truckload on Sandow and Roberts (noted names) this season to turn things around. It's failed.

The Tigers were an average side. Sheens buys Payten and Elford(relative no names), Sattler as an experienced "name" player with Hodgson and Prince, who had years of injury issues. Couple that with bleeding some young talent, and we built a foundation. I don't think he expected to win a comp the next year with the squad he'd assembled, but it started a completely new era for the club.
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I can;t even think of a player who's been lured for enormous money who has been successful since Prince for the Titans in 2007.
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You have to remember though, that we did pay big overs initially for Brett Hodgson, as we were the unfashionable team at the time - It's risk VS reward.

Sometimes you have to spend money to make money - Sharks are doing it well at the moment, Bulldogs look like they are doing it well too, Eels and Panthers not so much.
 
I can see the Panthers becoming a consistant top 8 team in the next couple yrs. Ivan Cleary is the most under-rated coach in the competition, just look at his record with the Warriors. The way the Warriors have fell in a hole this yr shows just how good he is imo
 
As long as I was on reasonable money, I would stay with the club that brought me up. More so if it was Brisbane or Melbourne because those two clubs have a winning culture. Your game would improve, you may make rep footy. Money can come later. Establishing yourself as a reputable first grader is the first aim and then rep footy.

Chasing the dollar around from club to club like a headless chook doesnt really appeal to me.
 
@Bismark said:
Blake Ferguson left the Sharks for the Raiders because "I want to win a premiership". Look how that's panned out for him….

It's hard to say, I think it'd be special to go to a team that's "re-building" and be a part of their success. Brett Kimmorley did that his entire career and I really respect that.

I think that the clubs wanting to lure "big names" are looking for quick fixes that will inevitably fail. I mean, compare us to the Eels.

The Eels have spent a truckload on Sandow and Roberts (noted names) this season to turn things around. It's failed.

The Tigers were an average side. Sheens buys Payten and Elford(relative no names), Sattler as an experienced "name" player with Hodgson and Prince, who had years of injury issues. Couple that with bleeding some young talent, and we built a foundation. I don't think he expected to win a comp the next year with the squad he'd assembled, but it started a completely new era for the club.

I can;t even think of a player who's been lured for enormous money who has been successful since Prince for the Titans in 2007.
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Prince seemed to think he went for a lesser offer… In any case I don't see that as a successful move because they've not made a grand final yet.
 
The Prince situation sprang to mind for me too. As exciting as it would be to start at the birth of a club, there was huge risk. At least they've had some success - making the top 4 once or twice. But still, I really couldn't see Prince learning anything from Cartwright as opposed to playing under the league's most experienced coach.

On a bit of a tangent, it's amazing how the Titans have had success, yet the two new AFL teams just can't get their act together.

While Furner is coach at Canberra I can't see them being competitive in the coming years. Pair that with the fact their two best players in Campese and Dugan spend more time on the sidelines than on the field and there's not much hope.
 
Personally I think in the case of Hinchcliffe it's not a great career move. He's never going to be the number 1 hooker at Melbourne and yet if he moves to the back row he's not as effective. Given he's talked about as a possible SOO player you'd think it was in his best interests to move somewhere where he was the number 1 hooker.

Also 150k is a lot of money per season. Sure money might not be everything but when you have a 10 year window (if you're lucky) to earn big cash it is hard to say no. In the AFL Melbourne fans were giving it to Tom Scully but given the crazy money he was being offered by GWS you can't blame the guy. Ditto for Folau and K Hunt…
 
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Also 150k is a lot of money per season. Sure money might not be everything but when you have a 10 year window (if you're lucky) to earn big cash it is hard to say no. In the AFL Melbourne fans were giving it to Tom Scully but given the crazy money he was being offered by GWS you can't blame the guy. Ditto for Folau and K Hunt…
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In the case of Scully, Folau and Hunt, they were all moving to a brand new club. While they knew it'd be difficult to start with, there's that extra sentimentality of being a part of the club since it's birth.

With Parramatta, the fact that they've had 5 coaches in 5 years tells me enough about the culture of the place
 
For the majority of my career I would probably take a pay cut to stay in Sydney (be it at one club or moving around) and i would also want to play for a winning team. Later on, if I had won a premiership or two I might be more inclined to go somewhere for bigger money.
 
@alex said:
@Yossarian said:
Also 150k is a lot of money per season. Sure money might not be everything but when you have a 10 year window (if you're lucky) to earn big cash it is hard to say no. In the AFL Melbourne fans were giving it to Tom Scully but given the crazy money he was being offered by GWS you can't blame the guy. Ditto for Folau and K Hunt…

In the case of Scully, Folau and Hunt, they were all moving to a brand new club. While they knew it'd be difficult to start with, there's that extra sentimentality of being a part of the club since it's birth.

With Parramatta, the fact that they've had 5 coaches in 5 years tells me enough about the culture of the place
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They still have to pay him. And they made the GF not that long ago - things turn around pretty quickly. The Sharks looked dismal last year and now they're up with the leaders.

As for those other 3 I think it was the $1 million salary that was the reason for them signing. If any of them say it was for the sentimentality of being at a new club, they're telling you porkies. Playing a season of park football and then going through seasons where you win 0-2 games isn't sentimental but a million dollars makes it worthwhile.
 
@Yossarian said:
@alex said:
@Yossarian said:
Also 150k is a lot of money per season. Sure money might not be everything but when you have a 10 year window (if you're lucky) to earn big cash it is hard to say no. In the AFL Melbourne fans were giving it to Tom Scully but given the crazy money he was being offered by GWS you can't blame the guy. Ditto for Folau and K Hunt…

In the case of Scully, Folau and Hunt, they were all moving to a brand new club. While they knew it'd be difficult to start with, there's that extra sentimentality of being a part of the club since it's birth.

With Parramatta, the fact that they've had 5 coaches in 5 years tells me enough about the culture of the place

They still have to pay him. And they made the GF not that long ago - things turn around pretty quickly. The Sharks looked dismal last year and now they're up with the leaders.

As for those other 3 I think it was the $1 million salary that was the reason for them signing. If any of them say it was for the sentimentality of being at a new club, they're telling you porkies. Playing a season of park football and then going through seasons where you win 0-2 games isn't sentimental but a million dollars makes it worthwhile.
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Yeah agreed. Sorry what I was trying to get at is if a club like the Raiders offered me $500k a year and so did a new club, I would probably go to the new club.
 
Mate, I could only dream of $250k a year, let alone $500k so it would be easy for me to stay put :laughing: Seriously though if someone can't set themselves up for life earning even $250k a year then they'd need to learn how to budget!
 
I love my Tigers but I'm a Canberra boy, if I ever played league I would hope to be a one team player for Canberra
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In a sense you have to be confident enough to back yourself

If you are good enough you can stay at the team you want to play for and your ability and hard work will take care of itself

The last thing I would want to be known as is a player who chased the big bucks at every step of his career

Obviously back end if you can get the big bucks in the ESL go for it by all means but keep your reputation intact

Bob Lindner was one of my favourite all time players but when you end up taking the biggest offer at every turn you become a bit of a mercenary in my opinion
 
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