Ikin: Harry Grant "not developed"

[TigerWest]

Anyone just catch that on 360?

They were raving about Harry Grant...and then mentioned he has not played 80 all year, but still slayed them last year etc etc...

And Ikin chimes in with "off the back of a season he was not developed. Wests Tigers" and looked at Kent waiting for a nod.

Why mention it here? Well, if that is the perception...no wonder we have problems recruiting.

**Grant was very well developed at the club last year IMO. His game went from QLD Cup to Origin.**

Side note: I am old enough to 'remember' Ikin's career. Basically he was a state cup player who got a break when the NRL SL war erupted and had about 2 good games. Failed, crumbled, every single time in finals and quickly disappeared. Not really sure how he has been allowed to become a FOX 'expert'.

Did the club knock him back on a position here? He seems to have it in for us?

We have a lot of members. It stirs for a reaction.

That being said, did we develop or just play Harry Grant? Honestly?

We keep Blore on the bench and limited to 15minute sprints. Harry seemed to be playing 80 early and most games. We thrashed him.

Now Harry developed here. We Definately trained him and yes i think he reached a nedt level here. If thats Iken's point its wrong, Grant would probably have been Melbourne reserves last year. Grant learned and grew under us, even if we still have a development problem! (And we do)

But we thrashed Grant. He rose to the occasion but we thrashed him.

I think "Thashed" is a bit strong, from memory he wanted the work, besides, it didn't do him any harm, he got to SOO from being here?

 

[Swordy]

Have to admit, I don't watch any of the 'proper' league shows.

Every one of them, and I mean EVERY one of them has an agenda to build drama and BS - all designed to feed themselves and make themselves relevant. I also dont buy into the adage "you have to have played the game at the highest level to understand everything in it." FAIL. Most players, if you saw them on the street and they weren't famous, you would walk on by and not give rats about what they thought or said. Many are uneducated buffoons.

It's like the news, they make their own drama and then report on it if it is fact. NRL360, 9 League show, anything with Rothfield, Hooper, Crawley, all click bait shows making up their own garbage.

It's the old story, you interview a prominent league player about being found in homosexual toilets after dark, he denies it (because its just clearly made up), then you print NRL STAR DENIES HOMESEXUAL TOILET TRYST.

Do yourself a favour. Watch the shows that are meant to be a joke, like some of the Matt Johns segments. Watch the interviews and remove the agendas, listen to players and whatever comes out of their mouth directly, stay off social media.

Then you might have some accuracy.

 

[TigerWest]

Have to admit, I don't watch any of the 'proper' league shows.

Every one of them, and I mean EVERY one of them has an agenda to build drama and BS - all designed to feed themselves and make themselves relevant. I also dont buy into the adage "you have to have played the game at the highest level to understand everything in it." FAIL. Most players, if you saw them on the street and they weren't famous, you would walk on by and not give rats about what they thought or said. Many are uneducated buffoons.

It's like the news, they make their own drama and then report on it if it is fact. NRL360, 9 League show, anything with Rothfield, Hooper, Crawley, all click bait shows making up their own garbage.

It's the old story, you interview a prominent league player about being found in homosexual toilets after dark, he denies it (because its just clearly made up), then you print NRL STAR DENIES HOMESEXUAL TOILET TRYST.

Do yourself a favour. Watch the shows that are meant to be a joke, like some of the Matt Johns segments. Watch the interviews and remove the agendas, listen to players and whatever comes out of their mouth directly, stay off social media.

Then you might have some accuracy.

You're on social media now :joy:

 

[innsaneink]

Great thread

Want a tissue?

 

[innsaneink]

Harry grant been with Melbourne for ages and 1 season with us neither team can keep him injury free he plays the game in unsustainable way for his body to cope. Just like papz

I agree, but Harry engages in more collisions than Paps.

The concern I had for Harry back end of last year is, despite how tenacious and on-the-ball he is, competing at that level constantly is difficult for most players and he doesn't seem to be as resistant to wear-tear injury as someone like Brandon Smith is.

Made sense to me when he came on during Origin III and murdered it with a 15-minute spell of high tempo play, but I told my Sharks-supporting friend at the time: that's all well and good, but can he pace that output for 60-80 mins for each of 24 rounds?

My mate sneered but I made the point that despite how good a footballer he is, I think Harry's game did drop a bit in the last rounds of 2020, and we were aware he carried a decent hand injury for much of the year, even though he played most matches. He was probably lucky it was only a 20-round season in 2020.

Harry is basically the polar opposite of Cameron Smith, who intentionally did not continuously engage in high-impact, high-tempo match events, but instead held a very steady pace and picked his moments. Barely ever got injured, was still around the ball all the time, but didn't throw his body into the contest as much.

Pacing himself will come with time and maturity, when he snags a starting position.
He still has a lot of development to go in that regard despite his already natural talet & ability

 

[Moh]

Really don't think it was a shot....

I like Iken, and Kent. Don't necessarily agree with all they say, but I do enjoy listening to their commentary on issues around rugby league. Players night is usually the most interesting for mine, love listening to James Graham.

 

[jirskyr]

I’ve given up on the show all they do is look for drama and try and stir people up
If they actually looked at games and broke down game plans it would be so much more interesting

Agree - it has become really boring

Nah...Kent is interesting and always ready to front up,as he did with DCE tonite.Good to watch him squirm and backtrack...mite becone the new member for Warringah.
Token Tara Pitt adds absolutely nothing except the sound of her own voice echoing unsubstantiated opinions,whereas Hooper sits on the fence.
So theres a good 15 mins in there somewhere..gotta search for it


Kent is becoming Gus Jr, getting on his high horse all the time. Hooper likes the sound of his own voicey, last few times he's talked over Lara Pitt, even tonight just so he could repeat what she said. In fact I found her comments tonight carried the most weight. I used to like the show, buts nowadays its just looking for drama each night.

I don't know how you guys watch that show. Hooper was already bad enough writing articles, to have to listen to him speak. Buzz is pathetic and Paul Kent, his stuff is actually half-decent and half-logical, but you are right he has too much ego. And Lara Pitt, weak, nothing to do with being a woman or not, just not offering anything substantial or interesting.

 

[jirskyr]

Ikin is an idiot. It’s crazy to suggest that a club who signs a player on a one year contract would be focusing on developing him.

It’s like saying you should service your rental car. No you drive it like it’s hot.

The development plan was Melbourne’s, he plays first grade and returns to them having experienced the grind of weekly first grade football.

I hope I’m wrong but I fear injuries are going to be a constant headline in Grants career.

Jacob Liddle mark II in that respect. It is reasonable to suggest that Liddle's best form - start of his career and now - is directly linked to time spent not injured? Liddle has often been marked lower because of his inability to get on the field rather than his uninjured potential.

 

[WeststigsRdaBest]

All I know is that I’m proud to have Madge at the club and really believe in him...date back to his stand off with ivan at the nines tournament. He bleeds for this club and that’s what I love most. However I do believe he needs support and it’s great to see the club has identified that

 

[jirskyr]

Every one of them, and I mean EVERY one of them has an agenda to build drama and BS - all designed to feed themselves and make themselves relevant. I also dont buy into the adage “you have to have played the game at the highest level to understand everything in it.” FAIL. Most players, if you saw them on the street and they weren’t famous, you would walk on by and not give rats about what they thought or said. Many are uneducated buffoons.

I question the validity of any show that compels itself to create one hour of opinion-based league content per day, almost entirely exclusive of match analysis.

 

[BermiTiger]

I was just watching the episode on replay and was taken aback by the snide comment. It was such a quick jab that I wondered whether anyone in the forum would have noticed. Jumped on and sure enough there’s a whole thread dedicated to the comment. There’s no benefit of the doubt for Ikin on this one. It was clearly a snide remark about the Tigers whom he does not rate. He’s been quite smug about the Tigers after he was the only one on the panel to write them off earlier this year.

To add some context, James Hooper was talking about how dominant Harry Grant was coming off the interchange bench in the Origin decider last year. Ikin interrupted Hooper and the exact quote was “off the back of a season he had at a club where he wasn’t developed. The Wests Tigers.” And then proceeded to laugh and look towards Kent.

I think it was uncalled for.

Sounds like he was just wrapping Grant. That he could have a great year followed by a great origin, all in his rookie year. And at a club that he new to.

I was just watching the episode on replay and was taken aback by the snide comment. It was such a quick jab that I wondered whether anyone in the forum would have noticed. Jumped on and sure enough there’s a whole thread dedicated to the comment. There’s no benefit of the doubt for Ikin on this one. It was clearly a snide remark about the Tigers whom he does not rate. He’s been quite smug about the Tigers after he was the only one on the panel to write them off earlier this year.

To add some context, James Hooper was talking about how dominant Harry Grant was coming off the interchange bench in the Origin decider last year. Ikin interrupted Hooper and the exact quote was “off the back of a season he had at a club where he wasn’t developed. The Wests Tigers.” And then proceeded to laugh and look towards Kent.

I think it was uncalled for.

Sounds like he was just wrapping Grant. That he could have a great year followed by a great origin, all in his rookie year. And at a club that he new to.

This is how I took it also.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Actions not words. Stefano, Blore, Seyfarth, Laurie, Talau, Kepaoa tell a different story. Having the best young talent gravitate to WTs and come into the NRL is the only response. I believe by the time WTs' narrative is out there, we will be turning away players like Mitchell because he is simply not a player who has the consistency of performance WTs' expect.

As for Liddle, perhaps our best re-signing in recent times. For me, he is the glue that will bind the Club and a future Captain.

 

[happy_tiger]

Really don't think it was a shot....

I like Iken, and Kent. Don't necessarily agree with all they say, but I do enjoy listening to their commentary on issues around rugby league. Players night is usually the most interesting for mine, love listening to James Graham.

I agree ..I think Ikin's comments have been misconstrued

 

[happy_tiger]

Actions not words. Stefano, Blore, Seyfarth, Laurie, Talau, Kepaoa tell a different story. Having the best young talent gravitate to WTs and come into the NRL is the only response. I believe by the time WTs' narrative is out there, we will be turning away players like Mitchell because he is simply not a player who has the consistency of performance WTs' expect.

As for Liddle, perhaps our best re-signing in recent times. For me, he is the glue that will bind the Club and a future Captain.

Huge call on Liddle ....HUGE Paws

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Actions not words. Stefano, Blore, Seyfarth, Laurie, Talau, Kepaoa tell a different story. Having the best young talent gravitate to WTs and come into the NRL is the only response. I believe by the time WTs' narrative is out there, we will be turning away players like Mitchell because he is simply not a player who has the consistency of performance WTs' expect.

As for Liddle, perhaps our best re-signing in recent times. For me, he is the glue that will bind the Club and a future Captain.

Just because a young player is good doesn’t make him a future captain. Doueihi is the future captain.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Actions not words. Stefano, Blore, Seyfarth, Laurie, Talau, Kepaoa tell a different story. Having the best young talent gravitate to WTs and come into the NRL is the only response. I believe by the time WTs' narrative is out there, we will be turning away players like Mitchell because he is simply not a player who has the consistency of performance WTs' expect.

As for Liddle, perhaps our best re-signing in recent times. For me, he is the glue that will bind the Club and a future Captain.

Huge call on Liddle ....HUGE Paws

I'm a big supporter. It's not his lack of talent or quality as a human being which has held him back. With time on the field and time to impose his obvious will to succeed, we are on a winner.

 

[happy_tiger]

Actions not words. Stefano, Blore, Seyfarth, Laurie, Talau, Kepaoa tell a different story. Having the best young talent gravitate to WTs and come into the NRL is the only response. I believe by the time WTs' narrative is out there, we will be turning away players like Mitchell because he is simply not a player who has the consistency of performance WTs' expect.

As for Liddle, perhaps our best re-signing in recent times. For me, he is the glue that will bind the Club and a future Captain.

Just because a young player is good doesn’t make him a future captain. Doueihi is the future captain.

Jo O if he stays could be our next skipper

Watch him next time he plays ....true on field leader

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Actions not words. Stefano, Blore, Seyfarth, Laurie, Talau, Kepaoa tell a different story. Having the best young talent gravitate to WTs and come into the NRL is the only response. I believe by the time WTs' narrative is out there, we will be turning away players like Mitchell because he is simply not a player who has the consistency of performance WTs' expect.

As for Liddle, perhaps our best re-signing in recent times. For me, he is the glue that will bind the Club and a future Captain.

Just because a young player is good doesn’t make him a future captain. Doueihi is the future captain.

Not only is he good on the field, Liddle is articulate and in all his interviews I have watched presents the WTs in a favourable light.

As for Doueihi, great player but not captain material.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Actions not words. Stefano, Blore, Seyfarth, Laurie, Talau, Kepaoa tell a different story. Having the best young talent gravitate to WTs and come into the NRL is the only response. I believe by the time WTs' narrative is out there, we will be turning away players like Mitchell because he is simply not a player who has the consistency of performance WTs' expect.

As for Liddle, perhaps our best re-signing in recent times. For me, he is the glue that will bind the Club and a future Captain.

Just because a young player is good doesn’t make him a future captain. Doueihi is the future captain.

Jo O if he stays could be our next skipper

Watch him next time he plays ....true on field leader

You're only saying that because he is a Qlder? He has played well for WTs and interviews well.

 

[Swordy]

Have to admit, I don't watch any of the 'proper' league shows.

Every one of them, and I mean EVERY one of them has an agenda to build drama and BS - all designed to feed themselves and make themselves relevant. I also dont buy into the adage "you have to have played the game at the highest level to understand everything in it." FAIL. Most players, if you saw them on the street and they weren't famous, you would walk on by and not give rats about what they thought or said. Many are uneducated buffoons.

It's like the news, they make their own drama and then report on it if it is fact. NRL360, 9 League show, anything with Rothfield, Hooper, Crawley, all click bait shows making up their own garbage.

It's the old story, you interview a prominent league player about being found in homosexual toilets after dark, he denies it (because its just clearly made up), then you print NRL STAR DENIES HOMESEXUAL TOILET TRYST.

Do yourself a favour. Watch the shows that are meant to be a joke, like some of the Matt Johns segments. Watch the interviews and remove the agendas, listen to players and whatever comes out of their mouth directly, stay off social media.

Then you might have some accuracy.

You're on social media now :joy:

This is advice for other people! As if I'd follow my own advice :joy: :joy: :laughing: