@tigervinnie said in [Inside look into Tigers Management/Negotiations](/post/1474204) said:
I never said he is more valid than anyone, was purely sharing a podcast I came across that was worth a listen. If other’s don’t get anything out of it then sure…nothing wrong with that.
Just for the record I wasn't accusing you personally of anything. From my reading, the first dozen or so reactions to the podcast were along the lines of "hey yes I knew Tigers were incompetent" and "Adrian for PM" and stuff like that. I honestly opened up the pod expecting some kind of insider take on Tigers, which is not what it turned out to be - so was my misinterpretation of what had been written so far. From the comments it sounded like some kind of expose.
I think it's reasonable enough that some folks push back on that. I wouldn't personally be calling the guy out or calling him a wannabe, but I can understand how some folks will feel that slagging off the club in a public capacity, with your real name and background on the record, is not a positive move, no matter how personally invested you are in the ultimate success of the Tigers.
I'll put it another way - last 12-16 months I have had a fair amount of contact directly with the club via The Ambush. Not as regular as some of the other Ambush members like cochise or Geo or Tiger_Steve, but regular enough (especially during the offseason). I've met Adam Hartigan 4 or 5 times, Pascoe about once a month and some other membership and marketing folks. I've also met with the Wests Ashfield COO and set up a relationship with the Wests Ashfield events team so we can host matches at the club.
Now I could go on a podcast and discuss everything I've learned about the club, for good and bad, and provide my precise opinion on everything that's going on and the personnel that work at the club. My information is not super top secret but it's privy enough that I'm careful about what I say. I could very easily go on rants about Tigers and criticise Pascoe for things, and it would be supported by actual knowledge of operations, but I also want to consider the trust Tigers have placed in me / The Ambush and what is the actual goal of what I would say in public. I want to cooperate with and build something positive with the people in charge, not throw them under whatever bus I can find.
Also - I know for certain that what I think I know and what is the real truth are separate things. I know it's never as simple as it looks and almost always the media or public perception of some topic is usually not quite on the mark. I also know different people have different interpretations of what's going on at the club. So obviously people like Pascoe think they are doing the right thing, otherwise they'd be doing it differently.
I think Adrian is being both naive and condescending when describing Pascoe as "nice but lacking killer instinct". That definitely has an element of showboating in it. As far as I can tell, Adrian is good at selling fruit and has used that starting point to develop property, which is great when you have the capital to buy property. It's hard to lose money on property in Sydney the last 30 years. I don't know if it's an indicator of business excellence. I am certain Pascoe has far far more expertise and wile in operating a football club than many people give him credit for. I'd even argue his 6-year tenure must be testament to some kind of ability.
I respect your post, appreciate the candidness of it.
I do question your final statement based solely off Pascoes CV (LinkedIn) and past experience you can read in the CV.
I don’t know anyone at the club so it’s great to hear from someone that has built those connections with some of the management personnel but my main concern is that he does not have enough experience of what works in a football club based solely on the fact that he did his trade in football operations at the Panthers during a tenure where they were not the most competitive club at the time.
He then came here at a club in similar circumstances with no real support (no general manager in the football department etc).
He has done an exceptional job of getting us to this position. But I feel we need more strength and support in the areas he himself admits he is limited in and that is the football operations.
Can Sheens alone provide that? I’m not sure.
In the past 4 months we have appointed Sheens, Kimmorley and Betsey to senior football roles in the club.
Pathways though? I’m confused about this part.
Are they isolated to just building the frame work of the juniors and coaching them through it or are they (Kimmorely & Betsy) a part of the NRL operations? I guess I mean is there going to be collaboration or is It being completely divisionalised?
A big part of their role is about providing synergy between the NRL systems and the pathway systems, it is about developing that consistency between what is happen at and NRL level to what is happening in the pathways. A lot of it will involve working with coaches and trainers in the pathways and having them closer align to the systems in the NRL to allow for players to be ready for NRL when they get there.
Pascoe is not heavily involved in football, he is not deciding who we sign or how we play. He is primarily focused on the corporate side of the business, people over state his role in football areas.
The think is though, Pascoe has a coffee with james Roberts to 'check on his health' then 3 days later he's contracted to the club.
That's what people see.
Hartigan was also sitting in that meeting
So why the need for Pascoe? He also flew to QLD to try and sign some donkeys.
