Interesting read on rich clubs side stepping the cap!!
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Roosterman
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sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
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@Oxygen said:
Wrong article?
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GNR4LIFE
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Should be a cap limit on 3rd party
diedpretty
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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/how-the-rich-clubs-are-sidestepping-the-salary-cap-20140321-hvksf.html
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Yea I mentioned this in another post - TPAs are meant to be outside the club and sourced by the player or his manager - the big clubs are just giving managers a list of contacts to arrange TPAs. Totally illegal under the NRL salary cap rules but they have obviously turned a bind eye. The NRL really need to look hard at how the can police this if they want the cap to work.
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Yea I mentioned this in another post - TPAs are meant to be outside the club and sourced by the player or his manager - the big clubs are just giving managers a list of contacts to arrange TPAs. Totally illegal under the NRL salary cap rules but they have obviously turned a bind eye. The NRL really need to look hard at how the can police this if they want the cap to work.
diedpretty
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@GNR4LIFE said:
Unfortunately clubs would argue its nothing to do with them and a player has a right to earn extra money outside what they pay him. Total BS of course but hard to prove otherwise.
diedpretty
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One option might be that clubs are taken out of the loop altogether. If as a company you want to make TPAs you register directly with the NRL.. The NRL can then supply a full list of all companies/individuals who are interested in TPAs to players/managers when they are negotiating contracts. All details monitored throughout by NRL so they can see if any particular clubs are being favoured. All monies under TPA to be paid up front to the NRL who organise payments with player.
sunshine_coast_tiger
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He raises some great points and something I have though is wrong with our game for a while. The Broncos have been doing this for years and I even heard Bruno Cullen interviewed one time and basically said with third party agreements there is no limit to what you can pay players.
The NRL want the salary cap to provide an even competition as such do they need to now start putting a limit on third party agreements to stop the richer clubs dominating?
I am all for players earning what they can out of the game but I don't want to see the NRL become like the top leagues of European soccer were the same 2-3 richest clubs dominate their league year after year.
I think if the NRL don't want to limit third party agreements they have to give a value to every player and it is there value that goes into the Salary Cap calculation not the figure the club give the NRL. It has to be one or the other, they either need to give every player a salary cap value or the need to monitor and limit third party agreements.
The NRL want the salary cap to provide an even competition as such do they need to now start putting a limit on third party agreements to stop the richer clubs dominating?
I am all for players earning what they can out of the game but I don't want to see the NRL become like the top leagues of European soccer were the same 2-3 richest clubs dominate their league year after year.
I think if the NRL don't want to limit third party agreements they have to give a value to every player and it is there value that goes into the Salary Cap calculation not the figure the club give the NRL. It has to be one or the other, they either need to give every player a salary cap value or the need to monitor and limit third party agreements.
So the difference between the Tigers, Roosters and Bulldogs is that the Tigers do not have an extensive TPA list in which to provide player managers, thus, making Roosters and Bulldogs a better destination financially and easier for player managers as they do not have to find the TPA themselves.
If it's a question of the Tigers matching other clubs with Salary Cap contracts there is no problem with that, as all clubs will be equal. This TPA has got to be scrapped ASAP or have a limit to it, instead of rewarding rich clubs why don't they just develop an allowance that allows clubs to keep their local juniors and reward them for developing the players in the first instance and making the NRL what is.
Let's be honest, on an even playing field, the roosters would be a dead root as they have no junior comp or locals. Rooster players have no real mateship or culture or history for that matter, everything that they have done has been bought. To be honest it's a whorehouse i.e. Brad Fittler, Sonny Bill Williams, James Maloney, Michael Jennings, Willie Mason, Braith Anasta…theyre all hookers and roosters are doing the pimping...
If it's a question of the Tigers matching other clubs with Salary Cap contracts there is no problem with that, as all clubs will be equal. This TPA has got to be scrapped ASAP or have a limit to it, instead of rewarding rich clubs why don't they just develop an allowance that allows clubs to keep their local juniors and reward them for developing the players in the first instance and making the NRL what is.
Let's be honest, on an even playing field, the roosters would be a dead root as they have no junior comp or locals. Rooster players have no real mateship or culture or history for that matter, everything that they have done has been bought. To be honest it's a whorehouse i.e. Brad Fittler, Sonny Bill Williams, James Maloney, Michael Jennings, Willie Mason, Braith Anasta…theyre all hookers and roosters are doing the pimping...
bonstonker
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i would have no problem with the current set up if you reward the clubs that produce their own players from their junior leagues.
the players deserved to be paid whatever they can get.
and so should the clubs that produce them for the rich clubs to steal.
nrl needs to stop pretending they can police it.
the players deserved to be paid whatever they can get.
and so should the clubs that produce them for the rich clubs to steal.
nrl needs to stop pretending they can police it.
innsaneink
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@bonstonker said:
I agree…. mayer came out this week calling fro compo for clubs that lose juniors......it is clearly an issue yet some here call him a sook for doing so
If they wanna take our juniors we should get concessions on experienced player recruits, some incentive for good experienced players to WANT to come to us.....
its gotta go both ways
innsaneink
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@yeti said:
Its never been level….in so many ways
happy_tiger
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The TPA's are there for a reason
To stop players switching to Rugby Unions ,AFL , possibly even NFL in the future
Its the only way many stars can get paid anything what they are worth , when you compare our top stars to other elite players in other sports they are on peanuts
The only way I can see it controlled would a limit on the amount of players that can receive TPAs
To stop players switching to Rugby Unions ,AFL , possibly even NFL in the future
Its the only way many stars can get paid anything what they are worth , when you compare our top stars to other elite players in other sports they are on peanuts
The only way I can see it controlled would a limit on the amount of players that can receive TPAs
@diedpretty said:
I've stayed out of this discussion because I couldn't see a reasonable solution to the problem. I think there is some very good merit to this option though. If clubs continue to offer players salaries to their perceived value within the cap. Players could negotiate TPA's independently through the NRL. If the NRL capped either the total TPA value, or the total number of TPA sponsorships that any one club could have, that would limit the ability of sponsors to stack a favoured team. I'm assuming that there would then have to be some way to acknowledge the TP sponsors on individual jerseys or the like.
Along with this, if the NRL also developed a 'flexible salary cap' that favoured the clubs that develop they own juniors juniors it might truly level the salary playing field.
liltiger
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by Roosterman » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:29 am
sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
Sure roosterman, that's what all the conspiritor's say.
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sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
Sure roosterman, that's what all the conspiritor's say.
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Demonborger
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Third party deals for players should be so regardless of what team that player plays for.
So you make sure any third party player deals are registered with the NRL, if that is failed then the Club gets fined and the player suspended.
When a player is being signed and there are rival bids the NRL must compare those bids and add in differentials with third party deals.
E.g
If club A wants a player for 400k and club B for 500k, but there is a third party sponsor register who will only pay the player if he signs with club A for 300k, then that additional 300k must be included in the cap.
So basically the third party deal should only be considered independent from the cap if it is given to the player regardless of what team he plays for. As soon as it is based upon signing only for a particular team, then it should be included in that teams cap.
So you make sure any third party player deals are registered with the NRL, if that is failed then the Club gets fined and the player suspended.
When a player is being signed and there are rival bids the NRL must compare those bids and add in differentials with third party deals.
E.g
If club A wants a player for 400k and club B for 500k, but there is a third party sponsor register who will only pay the player if he signs with club A for 300k, then that additional 300k must be included in the cap.
So basically the third party deal should only be considered independent from the cap if it is given to the player regardless of what team he plays for. As soon as it is based upon signing only for a particular team, then it should be included in that teams cap.
@Demonborger said:
All 3rd party agreements are supposed to be included in the cap if the payment is related to the club.
The example given is that a payment to Chris Lawrence to write in the Macarthur local payment should count in the cap, as he would only be paid that if he was playing for WT, however Beau Ryans footy show money is cap exempt as in theory he should receive that payment regardless of who (if anyone) he plays for.
What I dont understand, organisations like the throughbreds seem to be openly breeching the NRL's cap rules with no consequences.
I expect the added payments of 3rd party deals are somewhat likely overstated for 2 reasons, player managers cop 20% of 3rd party deals, and there seems to be little advantage for the 3rd party in many cases.
Getting a player to advertise your product is great, but only doing that if he represents a club seems to provide limited appeal.
anyhow, it is certainly a very gray area in the game.
