Is it time to Gamble on Gamble

[The_Patriot]

I really question whether a combo of Brooks-Gamble is a better clutch-moment option than Brooks-Benji?

I think the idea most are putting forward is that Benji goes to the bench BUT comes on like he did at the Broncos to play the "clutch" moment or back end of the game.

If he were fresh he might not act like an idiot and kick on third etc.

Only real question is is who starts the game at 5/8

Hold on, hold on. Someone run the logic for me.

Benji is making some dumb plays because he isn't fresh enough / too tired? Is there some stat I'm missing, are the Benji errors only coming late in the games, as he supposedly gets gassed?

How do we know for a fact that any of Benji's late-game errors aren't actually from nerves or lack of concentration in difficult situations? Perhaps having Benji on the field towards the end of the match is the sole issue, rather than him being good early and poor late due to tiredness.

And then I'm curious how Benji was clutch in the first few games but now he isn't? Is he getting more and more tired as the matches go on, 1 week's rest isn't enough between games?

And then I wonder, does Tyson Gamble definitely make that last tackle on Ma'u? Does Gamble also magically undo the Godinet penalty to SKD, the Buhrer kick to SKD, the Matulino high shot, the bad penalty against Brooks, make the forward passes called forward? Does Gamble also adequately support Fonua to score our last try yesterday?

IMO if the guy can't manage the game, he can't manage it. He's a half not a forward, stamina should not be an issue, and I just don't see it being stamina. Also when you pull a guy from the bench late, he's had no warm up, you are risking he hasn't got a feel for the game having only watched it for 50-60 mins.

Suppose you do open with Gamble and then bring Benji on, what do you then do w Gamble? Someone has to play some hooker in this scenario, you can't have Godinet/MM and Benji both on the bench.

If we are going to play Gamble properly, if that is the deal, then drop Benji to ISP. The only reason the Brooks-Grubby-Benji thing worked is because Reynolds was training to play hooker at times.

Way too many assumptions and putting words into my mouth for me to even bother responding to that.

 

[The_Patriot]

What if it was the Coaches instructions to kick early as we had been under the pump…stuck in our end for a bit... :astonished:

Ronnie was throwing the spirit fingers around like a madman at the time....

Well then the coach is a moron.

Pretty simple, if the coach is asking his players to kick on the third when weve had no ball and are gassed well then that coach is a moron who has no feel for the game.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

So let’s bring in Gamble after he’s had a terrible game when he was given th opportunity to run the team.

 

[tsjonathan]

How did Gamble go in ISP this week?

he was horrible .

Enough said…..dunno why some here think Gamble is a silver bullet..when at best he is a good ISP player....Drinkwater was a class above Gamble in ISP this year and no one hollered for Drinkwater to be elevated?.

he looked a lot better previous rounds with DW. Gamble used to put in nice kicks and looked good close to the line. Perhps it was all DW

 

[tsjonathan]

**NRL Contingent Shines as Wentworthville Reign Supreme**
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The Wentworthville Magpies have risen to take their third successive victory in the 2018 Intrust Super Premiership NSW, defeating the Western Suburbs Magpies 26-6 at Ringrose Park.

While the Western Suburbs side had to deal with the departure of halfback Josh Drinkwater and NRL-bound winger Mahe Fonua - two of their best in 2018 so far - Wentworthville welcomed back the likes of Cameron King, Josh Hoffman and Siosaia Vave. The trio's experience made all the difference for the home side, with all three scoring tries including a double for Hoffman.
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Both sides had their chances in the opening exchanges, with errors to blame for a scoreless 18 minutes. Among them was a misdirected Watson Heleta offload which could have earned Western Suburbs the first points, while Wentworthville's best chance came when Vave appeared to send Hoffman over untouched - only for the inside ball to be called forward.
**When Arana Taumata forced a dropout - and Tyson Gamble's ensuing kicked sailed into touch on the full** - it gave Wentworthville another golden opportunity. After Vave went close to muscling his way over, fellow late inclusion Cameron King managed to score from dummy-half, breaking the deadlock.
**The restart saw Gamble kick the ball out on the full again,** giving Wentworthville more time in strong field position. After back-to-back penalties, the home side opted to take the shot at goal, Davis calmly kicking his way to an eight-point lead.

Half-breaks to Wentworthville's Brad Deitz and Western Suburbs' Ofisa Seufale followed, but neither resulted in more points, maintaining an 8-0 half-time score.

Wentworthville looked to go on with the job in the second stanza and got on the scoreboard again with an early try to Hoffman. The fullback was the beneficiary of a close-range grubber which deflected of an opposition pair of legs before being regathered and passed to the Kiwi international. With Davis' conversion, he extended the lead to 14.

The stoppages continued at regular intervals, with poor discipline and handling errors preventing further additions to the score. That changed in the 56th minute when, on a left-side movement, Intrust Super Premiership debutant Gus Garzaniti provided a nice short ball for Luke Garner to race through and score. The visitors moved back within eight when Gamble successfully converted.

https://www.nswrl.com.au/WentyWests-Rd8-2018

 

[Needaname]

What if it was the Coaches instructions to kick early as we had been under the pump…stuck in our end for a bit... :astonished:

Ronnie was throwing the spirit fingers around like a madman at the time....

Then why didn’t that play go to Brooks who clearly has a more effective long kicking game?

 

[Guest]

Gamble is not the solution and nor is he ready for FG just yet.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This Marshall can’t play 80 crap is the most ridiculous thing i’ve ever heard. He’s a half, not a front rower. If he can’t play 80 then maybe he needs to retire. Never have I heard of a half needing a breather.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

What if it was the Coaches instructions to kick early as we had been under the pump…stuck in our end for a bit... :astonished:

Ronnie was throwing the spirit fingers around like a madman at the time....

Well then the coach is a moron.

Pretty simple, if the coach is asking his players to kick on the third when weve had no ball and are gassed well then that coach is a moron who has no feel for the game.

On the other hand, if it was'nt the Coaches plans for the early kicks, he had half time, and lots more through the game, to get up Benjii, and stop him from doing them.

I cant see it being anything but their tactics for that game.
I strongly doubt that there's any chance that Benjii could or would, just ignore Ivan for the whole game

 

[upthetigers]

Not saying we shouldn't consider blooding new players but to drop Marshall against the Warriors would be idiotic. This is one game you would expect him to be very motivated to play well in.

 

[maxxy86]

Don't think it's a breather issue but at seasons start Benji was going to be used off the bench. Think we have to go back to that and play Gamble at 6 for a couple of weeks whilst Reynolds is still out. It will give Brooks more touches of the ball without Benji over playing it.

 

[snowleopard]

What if it was the Coaches instructions to kick early as we had been under the pump…stuck in our end for a bit... :astonished:

Ronnie was throwing the spirit fingers around like a madman at the time....

To quote Meatloaf..you took the words right out of my mouth..that was the instruction he was given.. use our defence to attack

 

[Tiger_Steve]

What if it was the Coaches instructions to kick early as we had been under the pump…stuck in our end for a bit... :astonished:

Ronnie was throwing the spirit fingers around like a madman at the time....

Well then the coach is a moron.

Pretty simple, if the coach is asking his players to kick on the third when weve had no ball and are gassed well then that coach is a moron who has no feel for the game.

So now you’re calling Ivan Cleary a moron? Wow! You’ve just gone to another level. But it just an opinion right?

 

[swag_tiger]

Should Reynold's be given more time or take Benji's starting position when he comes back from injury?

 

[snowleopard]

I really don’t get all the hate for Benji.. Brooks will never be an organising half as he ain’t got the personality or capability to do it and neither does JR .AS Jirkstr said in another post , whilst he made some errors , he didn’t cost us any games. The thing I am most surprised with is his defence, yeah he missed one tackle this week that led directly to a try but the improvement had been unbelievably good from his time with us before. My highlight for him this year has been his reading and effort in defence

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I really don’t get all the hate for Benji.. Brooks will never be an organising half as he ain’t got the personality or capability to do it and neither does JR .AS Jirkstr said in another post , whilst he made some errors , he didn’t cost us any games. The thing I am most surprised with is his defence, yeah he missed one tackle this week that led directly to a try but the improvement had been unbelievably good from his time with us before. My highlight for him this year has been his reading and effort in defence

He’s not perfect but we are currently better for him being in the team. I believe a fit Reynolds is our 6 and Benji becomes 14, but for now he is doing an excellent job.

 

[happy_tiger]

What if it was the Coaches instructions to kick early as we had been under the pump…stuck in our end for a bit... :astonished:

Ronnie was throwing the spirit fingers around like a madman at the time....

Well then the coach is a moron.

Pretty simple, if the coach is asking his players to kick on the third when weve had no ball and are gassed well then that coach is a moron who has no feel for the game.

Not really , Benji just hit both kicks very ordinarily , maybe Brooks should of taken the kicks

When we didn't give away stupid penalties at times we were able to keep the Eels in their own half and theEels were struggling with their kicking game

It would of helped us win the ruck if we could of got consistently better field position

Just my opinion

 

[The_Patriot]

What if it was the Coaches instructions to kick early as we had been under the pump…stuck in our end for a bit... :astonished:

Ronnie was throwing the spirit fingers around like a madman at the time....

Well then the coach is a moron.

Pretty simple, if the coach is asking his players to kick on the third when weve had no ball and are gassed well then that coach is a moron who has no feel for the game.

So now you’re calling Ivan Cleary a moron? Wow! You’ve just gone to another level. But it just an opinion right?

No not calling Ivan Cleary a moron at all. Youve missed the intent here.

I dont believe Ivan Cleary instructed him to do that.

"Another level" :laughing:

 

[The_Patriot]

Im sure instead of kicking on the third Ivan would rather have Benji acting like a leader and encouraging his forwards to come into the game and lay a platform.

If our platform is going to be kicking on the third rather than handing it to the forwards then we might as well just give up now.

 

[TIGER]

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