It is time for SHEENS to go.

[supercoach]

Reading the SMH today the balls in Sheen"s hands. The Tigers have offered him a two year deal and dont want anyone else. Sheens has yet to decide and now Penrith are in the running that could change things.

Like a few others I would like to see a change but that will not be happening if the club has anything to do with it, so for those who want change we can only hope Sheens takes on a new challenge else where. I just wonder how long this all will drag on for, it cant be helping the team

 

[alexaki]

Reading the SMH today the balls in Sheen"s hands. The Tigers have offered him a two year deal and dont want anyone else. Sheens has yet to decide and now Penrith are in the running that could change things.

Like a few others I would like to see a change but that will not be happening if the club has anything to do with it, so for those who want change we can only hope Sheens takes on a new challenge else where. I just wonder how long this all will drag on for, **it cant be helping the team[**/quote]

Exactly…Sheens has been offered a 2 year deal by the Tigers, how hard is it to say yes or no?...if he wants to leave he should reject the deal and say so...rather than keep everyone guessing...

 

[alexaki]

From The Telecrap:

While Sheens was also linked to Penrith yesterday, The Daily Telegraph has been told the **Wests Tigers have rubber-stamped his new two-year deal with an additional two years as the club's coaching director.** Sheens' contract value is a touch over $400,000 a year.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I am saying we have made the semis less than any other team that has contested since we entered the comp. Finishing our standard 9th place is not successful.

Souths have only made the finals once. We have made the finals twice.

Top 4 is successful.

You said you have been supporting Wests since 1976\. Since when is top 4 successful? Were you living in Sydney in the 1980's? I have been supporting Wests for about the same period and my definition is avoiding wooden spoons with the odd finals appearance.

We have not had a spoon since 1999 and we have made the finals twice including a premiership. The club is successful both on and off the field.

 

[Alf_Duguid]

If Sheens goes, we should have a crack at Georgallis as our next head coach. His time coaching in the lower grades at West’s showed him to be very much an innovator.

 

[dimitri]

The loss to Brisbane can be put down to:

- Benji (voted best player in the world) missed tackles on Thaiday and bad read on Lockyer off the scrum
- Ryan's inept return of the football
- Poor kicking game whilst trying to get us out of trouble and inept at putting pressure on Brisbane
- Referees lovely penaltyathon, twice on 5th tackles and a handful of play the ball incidents (giving momentum to Brisbane resulting in points)

Use Sheens as the scape goat. Its what small minded people do.

Our losses are the result of players coming back from injuries and are not battlehardened for 80min. Not to mention the constant rotation of players to cover injuries.

Once we get some cohesion, wins will follow.

 

[matty_tiepie]

Bug you can have your opinion mate but Geez change the record. you blame Sheens for everything and anything. with the injuries we have no coach could do anything about that. you sometimes have to play players out of position as at the moment we have no choice. Its all good for you to say sack Sheen but who would you want as coach instead.

 

[Defiant]

The bizare selections of Moodey,Fitzhenry,Harrison,Morris and Molzten amongst others sums up my full support for the Panthers tilt at Sheens.

Don't get me started with bench selections and why one player generally only gets 5 minutes a week.

This week we have the impact of B Ryan coming from the bench and Fafita starting over Gibbs and yet another position for wonder boy Moltzen.

We have made Sheens an offer and he should make up his mind so we can prepare if he decides to leave.At least give him a deadline !

I reckon a lot of coaches would do good with our current roster.

 

[851]

The bizare selections of Moodey,Fitzhenry,Harrison,Morris and Molzten amongst others sums up my full support for the Panthers tilt at Sheens.

Don't get me started with bench selections and why one player generally only gets 5 minutes a week.

This week we have the impact of B Ryan coming from the bench and Fafita starting over Gibbs and yet another position for wonder boy Moltzen.

We have made Sheens an offer and he should make up his mind so we can prepare if he decides to leave.At least give him a deadline !

I reckon a lot of coaches would do good with our current roster.

I am sure most coaches would do well with our roster,and the pre 2003 arguments are moot,look our player strength now and compare to 2002.
Give Sheens till friday to sign,if he don't,sign Folkes,Potter or Brown,hell even Elliott wouldn't make basic selection mistakes like Sheens.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Use Sheens as the scape goat. Its what small minded people do.

It's funny that whenever we lose it's the players fault, but whenever we win it's Sheens. He really is a protected species by some around here.

Of course I don't blame Sheens for everything, only the things he can control. He obviously can't control Beau Ryan dropping the ball and getting smashed off a kick return like a U12's player, nor can he control Tim Moltzen standing like a deer in headlights when a bomb goes up.

However, Sheens can control picking Ryan on the wing, and selecting Moltzen at fullback and that is what I will criticise him for. You can blame injuries all you like but when there are valid alternatives available that is no longer an excuse. As an example, we had two fullbacks picked in the #17 last week, yet Sheens still played Moltzen at fullback.

Sure we have been crippled by injuries this season so far, so I will not start slitting my wrists yet. This is a very poor competition so I still think we can do well. The next six weeks will tell us alot about how we will fare this season. However so far I see the same poor player selections, the same rigid and stubborn interchange plan, the same poor bench selections, the same poor and erratic defense, the same poor mental attitude, the same poor kicking game, and the same poor fifth tackle options. Of course the players need to take some of the blame for these, but the coach is in charge of the joint so the buck stops with him.

As for our roster, I suspect most coaches would LOVE working with our squad. We have depth in most positions, and fully fit on paper at least our side is definitely a top four side.

 

[Joel Helmes]

we had two fullbacks picked in the #17 last week, yet Sheens still played Moltzen at fullback.

yep, strange isn't it?

 

[tiger4ever]

Use Sheens as the scape goat. Its what small minded people do.

It's funny that whenever we lose it's the players fault, but whenever we win it's Sheens. He really is a protected species by some around here.
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You do blame sheens for everything so dont kid yourself look at all your post.Hardly ever anything positive from mr doom and gloom.

Its even funnier you saying its sheens fault when we lose and when we win no mention of sheens its the players.
IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

We made the semis last year and was very unlucky not to make the gfinal and this year we are currently in the 8 and you still havent seen any reason to keep him.

I expecially love after a loss how the armchair critics (im not one)wrong tactics wrong bench what you think you guys know more then sheens the way you guys go on.

Promoting players left right and centre cost money and goes towards the cap which is something you have to consider its not that simple.

Hybrid i suggest you go up to him next time you see him…. its time you stop the BS and tell him like a man backyourself.

 

[tiger4ever]

Fully fit on paper…..gee that would be nice wouldnt it.

Just let me know when that happens ah.

AND THIS GOOD SIDE YOU TALKING ABOUT OTHER GUYS COACHING WHO BUILT THAT TEAM. :laughing:

 

[happy_tiger]

Use Sheens as the scape goat. Its what small minded people do.

It's funny that whenever we lose it's the players fault, but whenever we win it's Sheens. He really is a protected species by some around here.
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You do blame sheens for everything so dont kid yourself look at all your post.Hardly ever anything positive from mr doom and gloom.

Its even funnier you saying its sheens fault when we lose and when we win no mention of sheens its the players.
IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

We made the semis last year and was very unlucky not to make the gfinal and this year we are currently in the 8 and you still havent seen any reason to keep him.

I expecially love after a loss how the armchair critics (im not one)wrong tactics wrong bench what you think you guys know more then sheens the way you guys go on.

Promoting players left right and centre cost money and goes towards the cap which is something you have to consider its not that simple.

Hybrid i suggest you go up to him next time you see him…. its time you stop the BS and tell him like a man backyourself.

Hybrid has every right to have a go at Sheens for his fullback selections and his bench selections . If you have any footage of Brown as fullback last year compare it to Moltzen this year Absolutely poles apart Sheens must know this . No one is suggesting promoting anyone . Just don't put Moltzen at fullback (like 98% of us think anyway) and pick benches that will suit the style of play we will use for each different performance . Some games you WILL need 4 forwards on the bench Some games you may need 2 backs on the bench ,and the player should be a true utility player not a winger who is just back from injury and lacking game time !!

 

[hybrid_tiger]

You do blame sheens for everything so dont kid yourself look at all your post.Hardly ever anything positive from mr doom and gloom.

Absolute rubbish. Read my post above again.

Its even funnier you saying its sheens fault when we lose and when we win no mention of sheens its the players.
IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

Of course it goes both ways. Contrary to what you think I don't blame Sheens for everything, as I said above only what he can control. Which is quite a bit.

We made the semis last year and was very unlucky not to make the gfinal and this year we are currently in the 8 and you still havent seen any reason to keep him.

I said "aside from a good run last season" I haven't seen any reason to keep him. Read properly.

I expecially love after a loss how the armchair critics (im not one)wrong tactics wrong bench what you think you guys know more then sheens the way you guys go on.

It's called a discussion forum, where you come to discuss things. Who on this board says they know more than Sheens?

Promoting players left right and centre cost money and goes towards the cap which is something you have to consider its not that simple.

Promoting who? As an example we had two fullbacks in the 17 last week yet Moltzen still played fullback. How is that logical? I don't get your point.

Hybrid i suggest you go up to him next time you see him…. its time you stop the BS and tell him like a man backyourself.

Stop what BS? Discussing football on a forum?

Fully fit on paper…..gee that would be nice wouldnt it.

Just let me know when that happens ah.

Yes it would be nice. But it can't be used as an excuse for everything, including the example I posted earlier.

AND THIS GOOD SIDE YOU TALKING ABOUT OTHER GUYS COACHING WHO BUILT THAT TEAM

Sheens built it. I never denied that.

IMO we need a fresh change. Sheens has done alot of good things for this club, I will never deny that. Don't try and twist my argument around.

 

[tiger4ever]

You do blame sheens for everything so dont kid yourself look at all your post.Hardly ever anything positive from mr doom and gloom.

Absolute rubbish. Read my post above again.

Im judging you on post you make over a long period of time….you must be getting stale its time for a change of teams maybe.lol
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Its even funnier you saying its sheens fault when we lose and when we win no mention of sheens its the players.
IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

Of course it goes both ways. Contrary to what you think I don't blame Sheens for everything, as I said above only what he can control. Which is quite a bit.

No only when we lose a few it comes out.

We made the semis last year and was very unlucky not to make the gfinal and this year we are currently in the 8 and you still havent seen any reason to keep him.

I said "aside from a good run last season" I haven't seen any reason to keep him. Read properly.

I have read properly so your saying your judging him on the sides form before the last upgrade he got.Last year we run 3rd this year top 8 whats wrong with that.

I expecially love after a loss how the armchair critics (im not one)wrong tactics wrong bench what you think you guys know more then sheens the way you guys go on.

It's called a discussion forum, where you come to discuss things. Who on this board says they know more than Sheens?

No nobody says they are its the way people come across.

Hybrid i suggest you go up to him next time you see him…. its time you stop the BS and tell him like a man backyourself.

Stop what BS? Discussing football on a forum?

Ok yes but maybe its either the way i take it or you just come across like sheens is a dumby and doesnt know what hes doing.I just support my team not try to be a fantasy coach.

AND THIS GOOD SIDE YOU TALKING ABOUT OTHER GUYS COACHING WHO BUILT THAT TEAM

Sheens built it. I never denied that.

IMO we need a fresh change. Sheens has done alot of good things for this club, I will never deny that. Don't try and twist my argument around.

Yes well have some respect for the guys knowledge of the game and trust the decisions he makes as the right thing to do.

Sheens is not the only one that doesnt use all his bench master bennett doesnt either and smith and bellamy and smith left his team 1 player short for 10min what would you say if sheens did that.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Im judging you on post you make over a long period of time….you must be getting stale its time for a change of teams maybe.lol

Again I just stated three posts above that I don't blame Sheens for everything, only what he can control.

No only when we lose a few it comes out.

I have maintained my view since the end of 2007\. Just my opinion.

I have read properly so your saying your judging him on the sides form before the last upgrade he got.Last year we run 3rd this year top 8 whats wrong with that.

We did well last year. As I said before, this year it is not time for wrist slashing just yet and the next six weeks will tell us alot about how we will fare.

No nobody says they are its the way people come across.

How do people come across? I am just expressing an opinion, which you can obviously disagree with.

Ok yes but maybe its either the way i take it or you just come across like sheens is a dumby and doesnt know what hes doing.I just support my team not try to be a fantasy coach.

When have I ever said Sheens doesn't know what he's doing? I've criticised his selection decisions and bench use. I never said he doesn't know what he's doing.

Again, you take one bit of my argument and try and say that I'm saying Sheens is completely useless. Not true.

Yes well have some respect for the guys knowledge of the game and trust the decisions he makes as the right thing to do.

He is not always right, that is my point. Nobody is perfect. Not Bennett. Not Bellamy. Not Sheens.

Sheens is not the only one that doesnt use all his bench master bennett doesnt either and smith and bellamy and smith left his team 1 player short for 10min what would you say if sheens did that.

Like I said, nobody is perfect.

Do you think playing Moltzen at fullback when we had both Brown and Meaney available was the right thing to do?

 

[batboy]

If the Sheensy MUST find a spot for Moltz…. What's wrong with Beaus wing?
He exceeds him in every aspect of the game exept enthusiasm... Which we really don't require at the moment!!

 

[tiger4ever]

Probably not but surely he knows best.There must be a underlining reason for his decisions that we dont know of.Id like to think there must be.

Anyway mate its cool i blame the players for our performances they on the field making mistakes bad options giving away penalties missing goals and crippling injury tolls doesnt help any club that abides by the cap.

You mention the bench but against brisbane we lost the game in the first 20 minutes before the bench even comes into play.

Where going ok we will make the semis for sure.

On the brightside of wing play utai i think has been our best.Poor bugga getting that falcon the will be showing that for ever now.lol

What we need is both our best 2 players playing near to their best footy week in week out but they never do batboy.

 

[Tommy_Tiger]

Sheensyy old budy old pal !! Don't do a Fitzhenry on us and keep playing beau please mate!!! Give him afew weeks in new cup and see how he goes …. Mitch brown has to be wing or full back bloody FULLSTOP to that!!
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