It would be cheaper to pay out Jason Taylors final two years than to get rid of Robbie.

[Tiger_Watto]

Love to see Robbie become captain and coach. :smiling_imp:

At least nobody could accuse him of undermining the coach.

It would be very difficult to undermine the coach in this scenario… He usually does it behind there backs

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

You are all missing the point.

It is is not what might or might not happen next year.

It is the act of telling him that he will be playing reserve grade unless he leaves the club. If this is witnessed by Ayoub what happens next year doesnt even come into it.

They would just have to prove it was said.

And if its proven? They can order wests to sack taylor? Make Taylor pick him? Seriously, what the hell do you think they can do?

Not only that, but he's allowed to tell Farah he'll play reserve grade.

What's the difference between telling him he'll play reserves, versus actually playing him in reserves if he hangs around?

Its the unless he leaves the club part.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Hahaha… Let's go to court.

It will take a year to determine if Farah is an employee or a contractor. Then they would need to determine if his salary is above and beyond that of an everyday employee within the Workplace. This decision will then identify the employee and employers rights before any claim could be made.

Then it would take another year to determine the application and context of 'Form' in relation to a players contract. Followed by discussions about the clubs legal responsibility to operate within the salary cap, and how they can apply that within the workplace.

There is a reason this has never happened before, but nice try to sway the debate in your favor!

Ive already stated i think it is only being used as to apply some pressure to the board. If Ayoub can compile a case that looks like it would have a chance in court thats all he would have to do to be able to use it to turn up the heat.

But nice try to water down the situation, too bad theyve taken it off the forum and are actually meeting with the players association hey. Looks like the media will do my job for me now.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Who's gonna cancel his contract? You think the RLPA can do that?

You think id fall for that little trap. And you go around calling other people trolls :laughing:

 

[gallagher]

Who's gonna cancel his contract? You think the RLPA can do that?

You think id fall for that little trap. And you go around calling other people trolls :laughing:

Ha. You make a ridiculous claim and can't answers a simple follow up question.
Bobo is the troll, not you . You unfortunately are the only one who believed his crap.

 

[diedpretty]

If and its a big if we beat the dragons we would most likely finish 11th which is probably higher than most people on here would have tipped. Of course a loss will probably see us finishing 15th. Either way its been a pretty crappy season.

 

[jirskyr]

You are all missing the point.

It is is not what might or might not happen next year.

It is the act of telling him that he will be playing reserve grade unless he leaves the club. If this is witnessed by Ayoub what happens next year doesnt even come into it.

They would just have to prove it was said.

And if its proven? They can order wests to sack taylor? Make Taylor pick him? Seriously, what the hell do you think they can do?

Not only that, but he's allowed to tell Farah he'll play reserve grade.

What's the difference between telling him he'll play reserves, versus actually playing him in reserves if he hangs around?

Its the unless he leaves the club part.

He can't very well play him in reserves if he has already left the club!

The point you are trying to raise is irrelevant. Whether you view it as a personal threat or part of normal club operations, if Taylor intends to play Farah in reserves, he can. He therefore is permitted to tell Farah exactly that - if you stay with us, you will be playing reserves.

What you don't seem to get is that playing reserves is part of normal football operations. As gallagher pointed out, Taylor isn't making him clean toilets. It's a demotion but consistent with his regular duties. You don't get signed with a guarantee to play first grade.

Now Farah might have a valid argument that giving his standing in the game, representative experience, past performances, that it is unreasonable to play him in reserve grade at this time. But as Watto pointed out, to win that argument in court would take an eternity, and it's a very fragile argument anyway.

 

[bobo125]

Who's gonna cancel his contract? You think the RLPA can do that?

You think id fall for that little trap. And you go around calling other people trolls :laughing:

Ha. You make a ridiculous claim and can't answers a simple follow up question.
Bobo is the troll, not you . You unfortunately are the only one who believed his crap.

hahahhahahaha sometimes you just have to really laugh at the uneducated.

you can be quite emotional. Thats alright.
you can get fired up…thats all right...
you can love your team or your point of view to the point where you think everyone else is an idiotor a troll ...thats alright too.

at the end of the day, if you are unclear on legal practices - there are phone no's you can ring.
they give free advice.
there is even google search that can get you information - on laws / emplyment laws in this country.
theres really helpful people out there in the community who can speak at a pace that you understand what the actual laws are.

its really simple. BUT, if you are right... you must be right..... !

 

[gallagher]

Right

 

[bobo125]

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He can't very well play him in reserves if he has already left the club!

The point you are trying to raise is irrelevant. Whether you view it as a personal threat or part of normal club operations, if Taylor intends to play Farah in reserves, he can. He therefore is permitted to tell Farah exactly that - if you stay with us, you will be playing reserves.

What you don't seem to get is that playing reserves is part of normal football operations.

Now Farah might have a valid argument that giving his standing in the game, representative experience, past performances, that it is unreasonable to play him in reserve grade at this time. But as Watto pointed out, to win that argument in court would take an eternity, and it's a very fragile argument anyway.

some of what you are saying here is correct.
the only difference in this case is - the playing reserves issue - was used as a threat.
thats the big issue.
had he not said that - RLPA and everyone else legal etc etc would have nothing.
But because it was used as a threat so to speak, thats what cannot be be done and in time, you'll find that - that 1 point may well be what brings JT undone. it may.
As for his opinions regarding form etc etc…
in a court of law, a judge will look at recent performance regarding representative football (not just the main comp). they will seek comments from Rep coaches etc and will form an opinion from that.
certainly not on what JT says or vice versa on what Robbie says.
And legally speaking, i would say regardless of Robbies form at club level, the fact that he has represented NSW and Aust in the last 12-18 months puts him in a better light than the argument that hes beong dropped to reserves because hes not in form.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

[
He can't very well play him in reserves if he has already left the club!

The point you are trying to raise is irrelevant. Whether you view it as a personal threat or part of normal club operations, if Taylor intends to play Farah in reserves, he can. He therefore is permitted to tell Farah exactly that - if you stay with us, you will be playing reserves.

What you don't seem to get is that playing reserves is part of normal football operations.

Now Farah might have a valid argument that giving his standing in the game, representative experience, past performances, that it is unreasonable to play him in reserve grade at this time. But as Watto pointed out, to win that argument in court would take an eternity, and it's a very fragile argument anyway.

some of what you are saying here is correct.
the only difference in this case is - the playing reserves issue - was used as a threat.
thats the big issue.
had he not said that - RLPA and everyone else legal etc etc would have nothing.
But because it was used as a threat so to speak, thats what cannot be be done and in time, you'll find that - that 1 point may well be what brings JT undone. it may.
As for his opinions regarding form etc etc…
in a court of law, a judge will look at recent performance regarding representative football (not just the main comp). they will seek comments from Rep coaches etc and will form an opinion from that.
certainly not on what JT says or vice versa on what Robbie says.
And legally speaking, i would say regardless of Robbies form at club level, the fact that he has represented NSW and Aust in the last 12-18 months puts him in a better light than the argument that hes beong dropped to reserves because hes not in form.

Wasting your time Bobo, they are in for the fight. Its not about reason or clear and simple facts, theyve chosen their side and they will continue to defend it regardless.
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Time is on our side.

 

[bobo125]

Wasting your time Bobo, they are in for the fight. Its not about reason or clear and simple facts, theyve chosen their side and they will continue to defend it regardless.
\
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Time is on our side.

hahahaha yeah i can see it now.
The guy calling others a troll because they say or offer an opinion that dosnt match his - regardless of laws or facts etc.

its amazing. in this day and age where information is accessible - to be so blatantly and probably purposely - lets say - naive - ….. explains all !

 

[gallagher]

[
He can't very well play him in reserves if he has already left the club!

The point you are trying to raise is irrelevant. Whether you view it as a personal threat or part of normal club operations, if Taylor intends to play Farah in reserves, he can. He therefore is permitted to tell Farah exactly that - if you stay with us, you will be playing reserves.

What you don't seem to get is that playing reserves is part of normal football operations.

Now Farah might have a valid argument that giving his standing in the game, representative experience, past performances, that it is unreasonable to play him in reserve grade at this time. But as Watto pointed out, to win that argument in court would take an eternity, and it's a very fragile argument anyway.

some of what you are saying here is correct.
the only difference in this case is - the playing reserves issue - was used as a threat.
thats the big issue.
had he not said that - RLPA and everyone else legal etc etc would have nothing.
But because it was used as a threat so to speak, thats what cannot be be done and in time, you'll find that - that 1 point may well be what brings JT undone. it may.
As for his opinions regarding form etc etc…
in a court of law, a judge will look at recent performance regarding representative football (not just the main comp). they will seek comments from Rep coaches etc and will form an opinion from that.
certainly not on what JT says or vice versa on what Robbie says.
And legally speaking, i would say regardless of Robbies form at club level, the fact that he has represented NSW and Aust in the last 12-18 months puts him in a better light than the argument that hes beong dropped to reserves because hes not in form.

In this court case that won't happen. You think the judge may seek opinions of club coaches like Potter and Sheens or just rep coaches who have him for a week? What do you think oh educated one?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

But what if Mania's form is better than Farah, week to week in reserve grade. Can he take legal action for not being selected?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

or… Maybe Taylor is the victim of bullying?

Maybe he could take Robbie to court for continual underminding him, which leads to his position being that of a bullyied employee?

Sounds like the courts will be busy in 2016... Lets hope there is time for the 16 teams to play footy with all the litigation going on?!

 

[bobo125]

In this court case that won't happen. You think the judge may seek opinions of club coaches like Potter and Sheens or just rep coaches who have him for a week? What do you think oh educated one?

Read this slowly g a l l a g h e r

If this went to court, iiiiiiffffffffffffff
they would look at his current year overall.
Regardless of how good or bad or what is perceived in relation to his form interpretation from the coach who made the threat
they will look at such things like :
His status at the club - he's the captain
Any rep football - nsw & Aust jerseys within last 12-18 months.
Relationships between him and the person accused of making the threats
This is done to try and determine if playing reserves would be a normal process or part his time at the club or if playing reserve grade was a statement made to intimidate or force a result that is desired by the club / person making the threat.

As for Taylor taking Robbie to court as another member stated was also therefore possible….
If at any time Taylor felt Robbie had over stepped the mark with him as the boss, he could have followed really simple laws and processes of issuing him with warning or notices. I believe 2 or 3 warning would be enough to terminate a contract.
It could have been cleaner and minus all this nonscence.

This issue we are taking about is how the law is set up to deal with these type of workplace instances. Both parties are protected if they work within the laws.
The moment a threat was made is the moment it got tricky for the Tigers board.

 

[gallagher]

No way I'm reading all that.

 

[crusader]

This thread is going nowhere….

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[jirskyr]

In this court case that won't happen. You think the judge may seek opinions of club coaches like Potter and Sheens or just rep coaches who have him for a week? What do you think oh educated one?

Read this slowly g a l l a g h e r

If this went to court, iiiiiiffffffffffffff
they would look at his current year overall.
Regardless of how good or bad or what is perceived in relation to his form interpretation from the coach who made the threat
they will look at such things like :
His status at the club - he's the captain
Any rep football - nsw & Aust jerseys within last 12-18 months.
Relationships between him and the person accused of making the threats
This is done to try and determine if playing reserves would be a normal process or part his time at the club or if playing reserve grade was a statement made to intimidate or force a result that is desired by the club / person making the threat.

As for Taylor taking Robbie to court as another member stated was also therefore possible….
If at any time Taylor felt Robbie had over stepped the mark with him as the boss, he could have followed really simple laws and processes of issuing him with warning or notices. I believe 2 or 3 warning would be enough to terminate a contract.
It could have been cleaner and minus all this nonscence.

This issue we are taking about is how the law is set up to deal with these type of workplace instances. Both parties are protected if they work within the laws.
The moment a threat was made is the moment it got tricky for the Tigers board.

Cmon bobo let's be realistic.

The day a court forces a coach to select a player in first grade is the day pigs fly, or Tigers win all games in all grades in a full season.

Coaches constantly do, and are permitted to, threaten players with reserve grade. That's part of their job, to promote the performers and demote the under-performers. You use the word "threat" to have sinister tones, but employees in accomplished workplaces are always under performance review. If your performance drops, or your boss deems it unacceptable / below expectations, there are going to be consequences.

Say what you want about supportive evidence, the bottom line is that head coach selects the team and he doesn't need to justify those decisions. Same as you don't need to justify externally why you hired one particular candidate over another, so long as your selection argument is not prejudiced against race / beliefs / disability. If it's based on performance, then it's solid.

Benji could have made the same argument when Potter demoted him to the bench - Kiwi captain, long-term first grader, premiership winner etc. It doesn't hold water. Similarly for players who sign with other clubs and are then dropped by their current coach - nothing ever happens.

 

[jirskyr]

Wasting your time Bobo, they are in for the fight. Its not about reason or clear and simple facts, theyve chosen their side and they will continue to defend it regardless.

That's a real peanut response. I could say exactly the same thing about you.

Fair enough we can disagree, but both sides here feel they are following the clear and simple facts; don't be so patronising.