Its not all about the players

[izotope]

I'd like to see a quality defensive coach, looks like as soon as there is some speed in the PTB we have no idea what to do.

Madge's interchanges leave alot to be desired for

 

[TrueTiger]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

 

[cochise]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

 

[TigerWest]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

Doesn’t seem to be an issue in the lower grades.

And that’s why we need to stick solid. Things are improving slowly. Changing the coach again will only give the players the freedom to be soft. If it’s to hard for them blame the coach and they can just sit back and continue with their poor attitude and performances. The players are the problem and have been for 10 years. It has to stop now.

Sorry but that’s just a cop out Mike. The lower grades are doing well despite Madge being at the club, not the other way around.

They are doing well because Madge is at the club. Haritgan had been an improvement for recruiting and Madge is showing them what is needed to win and that’s not to sook but do the hard work.

It really depends how much involvement Madge has in that, I know there is a lot of respect in the club for the job Gardiner is doing with the reserve grade players.

Gardiner is doing a great job, no doubt.

Yeah so its a legitimate question to ask whether the success in the lower grades is a reflection of Madge or because of the hard work of others.

He’s the head coach, so doesn’t all structures come down from him?

We have shown we can do it, just can’t do it consistently.

I think it’s blatantly obvious, we don’t have all the cattle as yet.

I am more concern about the lack of game plan and incredibly poor defensive structures.

Well, is it lack of plans or the inability of players to carry them out? We have had this issue for a decade, it is not new.

 

[cochise]

It is all about the players

In 2.5 years the playing group has changed significantly, yet they’re playing the same. The only constant is the coach and management. They need to go.

No mate it’s the players. They are the ones who drop balls, throw forward passes, miss tackles. We just don’t have the cattle at the moment to compete. That is slowly changing. You only need to look to the lower grades to know.

I disagree Mike. We’ve chopped and changed players a lot since Madge has arrived but unfortunately it’s made no difference. His coaching methods are antiquated and simply don’t work for the modern game. Our team is an embarrassment and he’s a large reason for it. He’s had 2.5 years, he’s failed, time to try something different. It doesn’t matter who we sign, with him at the helm we’ll never move forward.

Our lower grades success, in my opinion, is all Hartigan.

Well we disagree. Until we have actual NRL grade players results won’t change. Gladly that is happening, just not as quickly as everyone would like.

Our team now is much better than teams in previous years, but he can’t coach. Cleary got a team that was half as talented to play to their abilities, because he’s a good coach. We will never play finals with Madge as coach.

It’s a bottom 4 NRL squad. That’s the issue.

We finished higher previously with lesser squads. The problem is, he can’t coach. You bring Flanagan or another credentialed coach with an understanding of the modern game and we improve overnight.

It wouldn’t matter who the coach was, it’s a dud squad. Even Bellamy wouldn’t do any better, he be moving players on just like we are slowly.

If that’s the case, why did he sign them? 28/30 are his signings or re-signings.

You could put the Australian team under him and they’d struggle. His style is no longer relevant to the modern game.

And who are the two who aren't his signings? Very large and convenient part of the conversation left out. Remember he only cut the 27th dead wood out this offseason.

85% of the salary cap is made up of players he signed/re-signed. Of the two he didn’t sign, Mbye was a really good player under Cleary, but Madge doesn’t know how to use him or how to coach him. Packer was also effective under Cleary. Madge just can’t coach, that’s the problem.

Of course the bloke can coach, that is a silly statement.
Again players seem to escape there responsibilities to perform with effort, commitment and skill.

He USED to be able to coach. He can’t adapt his style to the modern game or the players under him. He can’t coach anymore.

Maguire can't coach anymore and we have a squad that should be camped in the top eight - both statements as ridiculous as each other.

That’s your opinion, but the bloke is done as a coach. More people are realising this each week.

More "people" like frustrated fans. Every fan of every club travelling poorly thinks the coach can't coach. Six weeks ago Des Hasler was washed up as well - but then he got his superstar player back and happy days at Manly again. No doubt the knives are out for Ricky Stuart atm too. Maguire will only last so long we all know that but let's not pretend the squad is any more than it is.

Yeah but Madge has been here almost 2.5 years. The longer he’s here the worse it gets. I can’t imagine how bad we’ll be by the end of the year. Get rid of him now, bring in Flanagan or Morris and you’d see immediate improvement.

You want Flanagan to dope them up for the win. OK

You want to stick with Madge and lose forever?

I want to stick with Madge and fix the culture and our soft underbelly where players can just bludge and leave it to someone else. This has been going on long before Madge arrived. It needs to be fixed and Madge is exactly the hard nosed coach we need to do it.

Doesn’t seem to be an issue in the lower grades.

And that’s why we need to stick solid. Things are improving slowly. Changing the coach again will only give the players the freedom to be soft. If it’s to hard for them blame the coach and they can just sit back and continue with their poor attitude and performances. The players are the problem and have been for 10 years. It has to stop now.

Sorry but that’s just a cop out Mike. The lower grades are doing well despite Madge being at the club, not the other way around.

They are doing well because Madge is at the club. Haritgan had been an improvement for recruiting and Madge is showing them what is needed to win and that’s not to sook but do the hard work.

It really depends how much involvement Madge has in that, I know there is a lot of respect in the club for the job Gardiner is doing with the reserve grade players.

Gardiner is doing a great job, no doubt.

Yeah so its a legitimate question to ask whether the success in the lower grades is a reflection of Madge or because of the hard work of others.

He’s the head coach, so doesn’t all structures come down from him?

We have shown we can do it, just can’t do it consistently.

I think it’s blatantly obvious, we don’t have all the cattle as yet.

I am more concern about the lack of game plan and incredibly poor defensive structures.

Well, is it lack of plans or the inability of players to carry them out? We have had this issue for a decade, it is not new.

Under previous coaches it has been fairly clear how we were trying to win games. The only sign of a game plan adjustment has been moving Mbye to 5/8th.

 

[TrueTiger]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

 

[cochise]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

Edit, sorry of this came across a little strong as that wasn't my intention.

 

[TrueTiger]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

JT had the great defensive structure in place to teach the players how to defend...they didnt like it and he was punted because they said he made them play Taylorball..which a fair few good coaches even use today,you know 5 hitups and a bomb...but he still got sacked...Potter had the team playing well but some PLAYERS said he cant coach...didnt get resigned...Ivan,good coach,wrecked our cap and left players he contracted in the lurch...
this is WTs...things need to change and in Sheens own words ...PLAYERS get coaches sacked,,,,

 

[cochise]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

JT had the great defensive structure in place to teach the players how to defend...they didnt like it and he was punted because they said he made them play Taylorball..which a fair few good coaches even use today,you know 5 hitups and a bomb...but he still got sacked...Potter had the team playing well but some PLAYERS said he cant coach...didnt get resigned...Ivan,good coach,wrecked our cap and left players he contracted in the lurch...
this is WTs...things need to change and in Sheens own words ...PLAYERS get coaches sacked,,,,

I've said this many times, I went and listened to JT speak when he 1st joined the club, he knew what the issues were and had a plan to fix them. He just didn't have the ability or man management skills to transfer that to the players. I think that is why he is a good assistant coach and a terrible head coach.

 

[TrueTiger]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

 

[gallagher]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

Your opinion is no better than any one elses fella.

 

[TrueTiger]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

Your opinion is no better than any one elses fella.

Never said it was fella....

 

[cochise]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

I edited my post before you posted saying that it may have come across a little strong.

But no I don't disregard someone's post based on the level of football they played. There are many great coaches who were average players, sometimes I think it is an advantage as they see the game differently.

I also don't expect my posts to be taken any more seriously because I have played and coached the game. I expect people to judge my posts on what I have to say as I do with others. That is why I don't post that I played the game a couple of times a week.

 

[gallagher]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

Your opinion is no better than any one elses fella.

Never said it was fella....

So it's not better than a keyboard hero that's never played ther game?

 

[Geo]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

Edit, sorry of this came across a little strong as that wasn't my intention.

Would help if we would just stop shuffling forwards and backs in the middle and on edges for less than 2 games in a row..see if they can build combinations..

Take the Rorters as an example through injury and sin bins and suspensions they have had to shuffle there team last few weeks and got exposed by the 15th placed Broncos...they haven't had a choice...Wests Tigers selections have been by choice not forced..it's ridiculous

 

[TrueTiger]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

I edited my post before you posted saying that it may have come across a little strong.

But no I don't disregard someone's post based on the level of football they played. Their are many great coaches who were average players, sometimes I think it is an advantage as they see the game differently.

I also don't expect my posts to be taken any more seriously because I have played and coached the game. I expect people to judge my posts on what I have to say as I do with others. That is why I don't post that I played the game a couple of times a week.

Ok coshise I wont post again,I thought that if you played the game you would have an understanding of what is needed ...obviously Im wrong and many others are right...my apologies and I wont say anymore so I dont offend you or others...

 

[TrueTiger]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

Your opinion is no better than any one elses fella.

Never said it was fella....

So it's not better than a keyboard hero that's never played ther game?

I call it experience but that is not important as just an opinion or personal attack on players,coaches or some one trying to give some input...go for it if you want to have input and a conversation,but when someone has a say that has had experience in the game I thought people could see it from that perspective rather than them just venting through frustration...sorry if you got offended Gal,wasnt my intention,but I will stick to my opinion based on experience...

 

[cochise]

I still cant believe that people blame the coach when players fail to tackle the opposition player because of arm grabbing or not completing tackles and allowing them to easily offload,find support..
these NRL CONTRACTED PLAYERS are on a wage to do a job,albeit some younger guys learning....Most in our squad should know the basics of the game....blame the coach,the assistants,the ball boys etc etc...
Our roster isnt up to top 8 teams, yet Madge gets the blame everytime the PLAYERS dont do their job properly that they were employed to do...

Madge definately has his faults,failing this club isnt one of them,the players are failing the themselves and the club...
The sooner people realise this harsh reality the better..

I blame him more for the poor game plan and terrible defensive structures. Still probably wouldn't sack him but I am getting closer.

Coshise,have you played the game at a reasonable level ?
The coach can have all the gameplans and structures in place, if the players cant comprehend how to play to those plans than what does that tell you...
eg I had a great coach in my day who was very strict,but fair,if I played and did my job,but my teamate(s) didnt do theirs,how would that reflect on the result..they all have to work as a unit and until all this team starts working as one we will lose to the better teams that do work as a unit ...the Warriors game should have shown you what happens when you play as a unit and want to win more,,,our team thought they done enough to win but were beaten by a team working together to win the game...pretty simple if you have the football smarts ....

This is one thing I don't like about your posts mate, this attitude of you played the game so you know better than others.

Yeah mate I played the game, yes at a reasonable level, actually played with one of the coaches people want as our coach, also coached the game and I think I am up to 3 NRL players I coached in their teens. Is my resume up to your standards for having an opinion?

Our defensive structures are as poor as I have seen at NRL level, I am not talking about missed tackles I am talking about how we defend, some of that is down to decision making but it is clear that some of these things are tactics.. The selection of Joffa in the second row was unforgivable, as I know for a fact Madge knew he wasn't a second rower. The game plan has been poor and there has been one noticeable sign of an adjustment in that plan. Players also don't want to sign with the club to play under him.

In saying all that, I wouldn't sack him but you can't say there aren't concerns.

So you would rather a keyboard warrior give an opinion that hasnt played the game...Ive never said anything about you personally,but you dont like my posts because I try to put some real perspective on the situations having played the game and been coached in my younger days by a person who played for Australia...
Forgive me father for I have sinned...

I edited my post before you posted saying that it may have come across a little strong.

But no I don't disregard someone's post based on the level of football they played. Their are many great coaches who were average players, sometimes I think it is an advantage as they see the game differently.

I also don't expect my posts to be taken any more seriously because I have played and coached the game. I expect people to judge my posts on what I have to say as I do with others. That is why I don't post that I played the game a couple of times a week.

Ok coshise I wont post again,I thought that if you played the game you would have an understanding of what is needed ...obviously Im wrong and many others are right...my apologies and I wont say anymore so I dont offend you or others...

Mate it is not about offending others, and I actually appreciate your posts, even when we disagree. I just don't think someone's posts can be judge on whether they played the game or not. I don't want you to stop posting, just consider people's post on the content and not if they played the game.

 

[cochise]

I still can't believe there's going to be a documentary about this season...great viewing that will be. They even said there may be an additional episode if they make the finals. Ha!

I'd prefer to watch a doco on a successful club.

Cameron Ciraldo anyone

Mate,I hate reality TV shows but when our doco airs Im going to have to watch MAFS,because it would be less torturous than our show....

Management is a farce
They’d rather focus on making B grade docos and conjuring up desperate fan girls crap like the ambush than focusing on footy.

Lol

Glad u think its funny Cochise.

I don't think u ever answered my question either when I asked if you like the film The Warriors either.

Mate, go at the club as much as you want, they are amateur, very difficult to support and quite frankly a joke. But having a at other supporters who give up their time to try and create something for fans is weak. Personally I don't care as I am very thickest skinned and don't listen to @hobbo1 but people like @geo @Tiger_Steve and @jirskyr give up their own time trying to deal with this incompetent club for very little in return.

G'day Cochise : R U OK? :thinking_face:
Ever since B.Elias and his faceless band of merry men put in a bid to take control of Wests Tigers, you've become a very angry man.
Seems you need a bit of a cuddle. :hugging_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

Yeah I am angry, don't you watch our games? lol

 

[Demps]

I still can't believe there's going to be a documentary about this season...great viewing that will be. They even said there may be an additional episode if they make the finals. Ha!

I'd prefer to watch a doco on a successful club.

Cameron Ciraldo anyone

Mate,I hate reality TV shows but when our doco airs Im going to have to watch MAFS,because it would be less torturous than our show....

Management is a farce
They’d rather focus on making B grade docos and conjuring up desperate fan girls crap like the ambush than focusing on footy.

Lol

Glad u think its funny Cochise.

I don't think u ever answered my question either when I asked if you like the film The Warriors either.

Mate, go at the club as much as you want, they are amateur, very difficult to support and quite frankly a joke. But having a at other supporters who give up their time to try and create something for fans is weak. Personally I don't care as I am very thickest skinned and don't listen to @hobbo1 but people like @geo @Tiger_Steve and @jirskyr give up their own time trying to deal with this incompetent club for very little in return.

G'day Cochise : R U OK? :thinking_face:
Ever since B.Elias and his faceless band of merry men put in a bid to take control of Wests Tigers, you've become a very angry man.
Seems you need a bit of a cuddle. :hugging_face: :slightly_smiling_face:

Yeah I am angry, don't you watch our games? lol

Put some Audioslave on and relax brah.
Friday was hard on all of us.

⚘