Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[Masterton]

What will happen will happen.

What i really care about however is that the club is aware of the situation and is diligent in searching for a plan B.

If they DID start looking for back-up, it would be in the press the same day. Just stick to our guns. There isn't a better coach available.

 

[the_third]

The reality of this is no one from the tigers is talking about this from the get go. Most media stoped talking as they can’t get a story out of us. I reckon we have done well and we will see what happens in the off season. Recruitment is probably as good a guide of intentions as anything at the moment.

 

[innsaneink]

The reality of this is no one from the tigers is talking about this from the get go. Most media stoped talking as they can’t get a story out of us. I reckon we have done well and we will see what happens in the off season. Recruitment is probably as good a guide of intentions as anything at the moment.

Even WTs FB pages have stopped…only talk about it now is here...go figure

 

[fibrodreaming]

The reality of this is no one from the tigers is talking about this from the get go. Most media stoped talking as they can’t get a story out of us. I reckon we have done well and we will see what happens in the off season. Recruitment is probably as good a guide of intentions as anything at the moment.

Even WTs FB pages have stopped…only talk about it now is here...go figure

That's because our colleagues on here are very good at: "connecting the dots"; "reading between the lines"; and, "smelling smoke and assuming there is a fire" !

 

[WT2K]

Story will pick up again once season is over.
Whatever happens so be it or as our former captain would say.. It is what it is.

 

[HabboTiger]

Other suggested disaster scenarios to fill your time with.
Tigers getting relocated to Perth
Brooks courting himself around to find another club
Liddles progress being held back by Robbie and wants out
Pascoe planted by the panthers to ruin the club from the inside
The other 15 clubs with coaches eventually coming off contract and the impact this will have to retention holisticly
Esan masters agreeing to terms with the roosters despite just resigning
And on and on and on

But this one here has lost its gloss

 

[The_Patriot]

The reality of this is no one from the tigers is talking about this from the get go. Most media stoped talking as they can’t get a story out of us. I reckon we have done well and we will see what happens in the off season. Recruitment is probably as good a guide of intentions as anything at the moment.

Even WTs FB pages have stopped…only talk about it now is here...go figure

That's because our colleagues on here are very good at: "connecting the dots"; "reading between the lines"; and, "smelling smoke and assuming there is a fire" !

Hi ya.

 

[barra]

Last night at end of the footy show Freddy slipped into a sentence “when Ivan joins the Panthers next year” then kind of paused and tried to imply he meant “if”… hope it’s nothing but it didn’t seem like he was trying to make a joke, more a slip of the tongue. I assume he is very tight with Gus and privy to what he knows. Make of it what you will.

He did say something along the lines of "when he goes to the Panthers" but not sure he said "next year".

Freddy would likely be in the know, just depends on whether he meant next year or further into the future…

 

[fibrodreaming]

The reality of this is no one from the tigers is talking about this from the get go. Most media stoped talking as they can’t get a story out of us. I reckon we have done well and we will see what happens in the off season. Recruitment is probably as good a guide of intentions as anything at the moment.

Even WTs FB pages have stopped…only talk about it now is here...go figure

That's because our colleagues on here are very good at: "connecting the dots"; "reading between the lines"; and, "smelling smoke and assuming there is a fire" !

Hi ya.

G'day Patriot. You have a gift.

 

[jirskyr]

What will happen will happen.

Is that you Woodsie?

 

[Roar_Power]

WTs don’t want to talk about it potentially so that our season isn’t derailed. Once we are a definite non starter for the finals, more might come out.
I would like Ivan to stay but as long as the team is left in good nick, especially recruitment wise for 2019, we will continue to prosper hopefully. Front office seems sound and that’s where it starts.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Other suggested disaster scenarios to fill your time with.
Tigers getting relocated to Perth
Brooks courting himself around to find another club
Liddles progress being held back by Robbie and wants out
Pascoe planted by the panthers to ruin the club from the inside
The other 15 clubs with coaches eventually coming off contract and the impact this will have to retention holisticly
Esan masters agreeing to terms with the roosters despite just resigning
And on and on and on

But this one here has lost its gloss
[/quote
Some fans here must be very wealthy: lotto, casino or share market must be a peace of cake for them so they moved to predicting WT future, they can read faces, hear a few syllables or read between the lines, and reveal to plebs what that mean and what will happen, no ifs or buts🤗
However, not too many comment on the game itself that must be below their devine interest 😂
Please explain 👌

 

[TonyTiger]

My personal opinion is i think in the off season he will be gone. The suggestion that the Panthers out manoeuvred us on this whole scenario is far fetched im not sure what else the club was meant to do. If the club came out and started talking compensation from the get go they would have been dragged across the coals.
I think once the dust settles we will get some form of compensation in the off season and we will be back at square one, IC will get next to no flack because it will all be about reuniting with his son.
There's far too much innuendo going around about this situation despite Ivans statement, it seems many didnt find it overly believing.

Ivan is shifty, prefers to sit back and let Gould cop all the flack - Ivan is duplicite in his back room meetings at Gus’ ivory tower - really, what sort of professional club gets a rival coach over under the guise of their son’s development? Badly thought out Ivan, you should have said your GPS took you off route when you were really trying to buy a Crispy Cream Doughnut!
As soon as the comp is over Ivan will make his move under the cloak of darkness. Set up a surveillance camera on his desk- once the pencil case has gone so has Ivan.
By reading a prepared speech after a week of immitating ‘Humphrey Bear’ he will later claim that he was coerced into reading the scripted speech.
His body language says it all for me.
Pass Ivan’s pencil case onto Michael McGuire now, he has a point to prove after the backstabbing he copped at the bunnies.
Extended Esan Marsters now before he carries Ivan’s bags out and onto the Penrith night bus.

 

[Danny Blanco]

TonyTiger it's Krispy Kreme*

& You're a cold blooded man.

 

[TonyTiger]

I feel enlightened now, thanks.

 

[Guest]

I feel enlightened now, thanks.

Quit trolling.

 

[TonyTiger]

Please elaborate

 

[TonyTiger]

What sort of forum is this? Deleting emails if they don’t suit you, I’ll call it the way I see it thanks.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Unfortunately I agree with you on this as it would of been put to bed properly by actually talking to the media.

My main concern is that this happens after season and we miss out on a good coach and have to start all over again..

My Choice would be Michael M or Wayne Bennett (Only if Ivan leaves )

The problem with your interpretation is that when people in the public eye make categorical, unambiguous statements such as: (a) “I have not received any offer from the Panthers, nor have I asked the Wests Tigers for a release”; and “…. I intend to honour this contract”, I’m inclined to believe them.

The reason is that smart people don’t tell deliberate lies if there is a chance they will be caught out. They certainly don’t tell barefaced lies, which the above statements would prove to be, if he intended to take up a coaching position with the Panthers in 2019.

If Cleary intended to take up a contract with Penrith in 2019 he would not have been so unequivocal in his statement.

He has to deny any contract has been offered otherwise he would be in court with Gus. He also has to state he will see out his contract he is legally obliged to fulfil it.
This is where it gets murky if he is leaving likely at the end of his deal and has told Pascoe this it’s untenable and he will be released. Oldest trick in the book it will come out as mutual agreement. If Maquire is available I’d waste no time and get it done.
West’s have the cash Cleary can coach the Magpies.

Fair enough Tyga. My point remains that smart people don't normally tell bare-faced lies in public. They choose their words carefully.

Cleary didn't have to deny a contract had been offered and he didn't have to state his intention to honour his contract.

Take Seibold for example - he started his presser last night saying he wanted to make a statement about the coaching position. He expressed disappointment at the false news in the press; said he would not take any questions on the subject; and then said "I am contracted to the Rabbihos for the next 15 months". End of story.

Cleary could have done the same thing. Seibold's statement won't put the matter to bed; but then, Ivan's more fulsome statement hasn't either. So, rather than lie, Cleary could have done a Seibold.

Good to see that you are open to listening to opinions. I now suggest that you look to the words of your first two paragraphs above, along with your previous "unequivocal" description of his statement.

The statement was worded very carefully, so Ivan could not be accused of lying. For instance, I will, rather than, "I intend" is a definitive line. More telling is the "not received" term in relation to a contract, which leaves as much wriggle room as Steve Waugh would for a cutter outside off stump. He never denied an offer, nor that he had agreed to one for that matter, because he did not address the issue. Words to the effect of 'did not even discuss me going there in the next couple of years, let alone terms' are an unequivocal denial.

Ivan almost certainly doesn't want to front any pointed questions from the media that require a direct yes or no answer, as he doesn't have the ability of a politician to avoid answering.

 

[Guest]

What sort of forum is this? Deleting emails if they don’t suit you, I’ll call it the way I see it thanks.

If you're going to post crap - and by crap I mean defamatory comments like the one I deleted then you may as well find another forum to post on because you won't last on here.