Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[gallagher]

Michael Maguire at the game today… interested spectator.

Run away Madge , the plod will get you.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The problem with your interpretation is that when people in the public eye make categorical, unambiguous statements such as: (a) “I have not received any offer from the Panthers, nor have I asked the Wests Tigers for a release”; and “…. I intend to honour this contract”, I’m inclined to believe them.

The reason is that smart people don’t tell deliberate lies if there is a chance they will be caught out. They certainly don’t tell barefaced lies, which the above statements would prove to be, if he intended to take up a coaching position with the Panthers in 2019.

If Cleary intended to take up a contract with Penrith in 2019 he would not have been so unequivocal in his statement.

He has to deny any contract has been offered otherwise he would be in court with Gus. He also has to state he will see out his contract he is legally obliged to fulfil it.
This is where it gets murky if he is leaving likely at the end of his deal and has told Pascoe this it’s untenable and he will be released. Oldest trick in the book it will come out as mutual agreement. If Maquire is available I’d waste no time and get it done.
West’s have the cash Cleary can coach the Magpies.

It will be a long time before you see Any NRL club in a court action with any player, or Coach, too many skeletons in their cupboard, they would avoid that at all costs.
Any threats of serious Court action,
Would be just that, Threaths.

 

[WT2K]

Michael Maguire at the game today… interested spectator.

Interesting indeed

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Michael Maguire at the game today… interested spectator.

Interesting indeed

Might have been there in case Mary's mob bottled it. I reckon if they bomb out of the finals he'll be on thin ice.

 

[Needaname]

In case anyone was interested….

Don’t believe hype – at least where Madge is concerned
By Adrian Proszenko
18 August 2018 — 8:42pm
At some point this week, Michael Maguire will be spotted at either Penrith or Wests Tigers and the rugby league world will go into meltdown. Maguire is perhaps the best qualified coach not coaching an NRL club, but he is keen to do so.

In the current climate, in which almost no clipboard holder is safe, his appearance at the Panthers or Tigers will fuel the rumour mill.

New challenge: A premiership with Souths in 2014 gives Michael Maguire the right pedigree in a bull coaching market.
New challenge: A premiership with Souths in 2014 gives Michael Maguire the right pedigree in a bull coaching market.
Photo: Brendan Esposito
Maguire is scheduled for a series of club visits in his capacity as the New Zealand coach, so he can touch base with existing and prospective Kiwis players.

Given the madness that is the coaching carousel, people are likely to misread the situation.

 

[WT2K]

Michael Maguire at the game today… interested spectator.

Interesting indeed

Might have been there in case Mary's mob bottled it. I reckon if they bomb out of the finals he'll be on thin ice.

Probably right re Mary. Most likely only there to watch some of the kiwi boys play.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Michael Maguire at the game today… interested spectator.

Interesting indeed

Might have been there in case Mary's mob bottled it. I reckon if they bomb out of the finals he'll be on thin ice.

Probably right re Mary. Most likely only there to watch some of the kiwi boys play.

He wouldn't have liked what he saw from our Kiwi boys or the Tigers in general. If he is thinking of coaching in the NRL again I reckon he'll be crossing us off his list, too hard basket!

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Hold on. So Cleary told the club and the players on Monday that he wasn’t going anywhere. Yet they decided to pull him out of the Tuesday conference and keep him quiet till Saturday just to keep us guessing. Does that actually make sense to you? I’ve been one of clearys biggest supporters but something fishy went on last week.

And I know for a fact , that Ivan was very upset, almost beside himself , that he was unable to
Personally come to your place and calm your doubts,
He fully intended to, but just couldn’t get there, he hopes you will forgive him, as he didn’t want one of his biggest supporters To be left in the dark on his deepest thoughts
You can sleep peacefully now,

Damn you got me good. Tell Ivan since you know him personally, why did he make me lose 5 nights of sleep when he was staying all along. Also apologise on my behalf to him that as a paying member of the club that I had to put with 5 days of uncertainty because Ivan’s pride wouldn’t let him answer the questions about his future.

Arrrrrr, youre slipping!!
Nowhere did I say that I know Ivan personally.
But Id be pretty right in saying that, Ivan would think it pretty wacko for a person to get no sleep for five days, because He refused to be dictated to, by less than honest media, and the odd neurotic club club member( who hes probably never heard of, and probably never will) who are wetting their daks, because Ivan doesnt think that the world revolves around them.
Well buddy, It doesnt!! Get used to it

No buddy I think your slipping lol. You don’t know him personally but you started your reply by saying “ you know for a fact that Ivan this and Ivan that and seemed to talk alot on his behalf. So you’d have to assume you knew him personally. Once again another one on here done by sarcasm. I’m running a course you know, bring some of the other boys with you. I stopped losing sleep over footy in 2005 after we won the grand final. I will try to not be too literal when I reply to you in future so I don’t hurt your limited IQ.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Ivan still owns a house in Leonay, near Emu Plains. Just saying.

Yeah I guess there waiting till season end because they have purchased a mansion on the northern beaches moving end of year.

 

[The_Patriot]

Oh dear! There’s a fluff piece on the Tigers web site about Matalino. It goes to some length to reassure us that if Ivan was to go to Penrith, matalino would see out his contract.

As I said in an earlier post, I am hanging on to the belief Ivan is a man of his word but everything else is pointing to an early exit.

It feels a bit like they trIed to shut it down last week now begins the slow release of information and stories to break it to us gently.

Just speculation of course but people can no longer take the high ground and dismiss these sort of posts. There is a bit of smoke here.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Yep ….. next couple of months before we can see with our own eyes how this plays out.
Still I will be very dissapinted if it’s true and he does move to Panthers .... more so because I have placed a high degree of confidence in the man and his integrity and commitment.
But that’s life and everything happens for a reason and will just go with the flow.
As I said before we would be in good position as there are quite few good coaches currently looking for a gig.

 

[Telltails]

Not convinced he is staying while ever Penrith dont announce a replacement for Griffin.

 

[Chris]

While we have Ivan here with this cloud of mystery over his time here, we'll never be able to buy any quality players. Ivan will meet with a player and the only question they'll ask is "Will you be here past 2020?" That will be the end of the conversation.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Coaching longevity aside, why on earth was our best back rower sitting on the bench?

 

[foreveratiger]

Interesting indeed

Might have been there in case Mary's mob bottled it. I reckon if they bomb out of the finals he'll be on thin ice.

Probably right re Mary. Most likely only there to watch some of the kiwi boys play.

He wouldn't have liked what he saw from our Kiwi boys or the Tigers in general. If he is thinking of coaching in the NRL again I reckon he'll be crossing us off his list, too hard basket!

For your Sanity your best job as a Coach is Origin or the international game , Mal Meninga is one stress free soul

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Oh dear! There’s a fluff piece on the Tigers web site about Matalino. It goes to some length to reassure us that if Ivan was to go to Penrith, matalino would see out his contract.

As I said in an earlier post, I am hanging on to the belief Ivan is a man of his word but everything else is pointing to an early exit.

It feels a bit like they trIed to shut it down last week now begins the slow release of information and stories to break it to us gently.

Just speculation of course but people can no longer take the high ground and dismiss these sort of posts. There is a bit of smoke here.

And where’s there’s smoke there’s ,,,,,,,,,,, oh sorry! Not allowed to say that

 

[Spud_Murphy]

While we have Ivan here with this cloud of mystery over his time here, we'll never be able to buy any quality players. Ivan will meet with a player and the only question they'll ask is "Will you be here past 2020?" That will be the end of the conversation.

Yes and this is what stinks about the whole situation! It's put Wests Tigers between a rock and a hard place, as if it wasn't difficult enough for us to attract quality players already.

No one will want to commit to coming here while there is still so much speculation and uncertainty hanging over our coaching situation. It needs to be put to bed NOW, not in November when it will be too late to begin negotiations with the really good players off contract. They will have signed elsewhere before then.

 

[WT2K]

Oh dear! There’s a fluff piece on the Tigers web site about Matalino. It goes to some length to reassure us that if Ivan was to go to Penrith, matalino would see out his contract.

As I said in an earlier post, I am hanging on to the belief Ivan is a man of his word but everything else is pointing to an early exit.

It feels a bit like they trIed to shut it down last week now begins the slow release of information and stories to break it to us gently.

Just speculation of course but people can no longer take the high ground and dismiss these sort of posts. There is a bit of smoke here.

Bit strange for the club to release that kind of thing 'I'll see out my contact even if Ivan goes' , or is it just me thinking that? One things for sure, the off-season is going to be interesting.

 

[supercoach]

While we have Ivan here with this cloud of mystery over his time here, we'll never be able to buy any quality players. Ivan will meet with a player and the only question they'll ask is "Will you be here past 2020?" That will be the end of the conversation.

Yes and this is what stinks about the whole situation! It's put Wests Tigers between a rock and a hard place, as if it wasn't difficult enough for us to attract quality players already.

No one will want to commit to coming here while there is still so much speculation and uncertainty hanging over our coaching situation. It needs to be put to bed NOW, not in November when it will be too late to begin negotiations with the really good players off contract. They will have signed elsewhere before then.

Iam sure the club knows what’s happening and when it’s happening re Cleary and have a plan in place. Pascoe and Cleary are pretty tight and if Cleary is granted a early release a exit strategy would be planned so the club doesn’t lose face and if he hangs around for another two years it gives them time to groom or find a replacement.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

While we have Ivan here with this cloud of mystery over his time here, we'll never be able to buy any quality players. Ivan will meet with a player and the only question they'll ask is "Will you be here past 2020?" That will be the end of the conversation.

Yes and this is what stinks about the whole situation! It's put Wests Tigers between a rock and a hard place, as if it wasn't difficult enough for us to attract quality players already.

No one will want to commit to coming here while there is still so much speculation and uncertainty hanging over our coaching situation. It needs to be put to bed NOW, not in November when it will be too late to begin negotiations with the really good players off contract. They will have signed elsewhere before then.

Iam sure the club knows what’s happening and when it’s happening re Cleary and have a plan in place. Pascoe and Cleary are pretty tight and if Cleary is granted a early release a exit strategy would be planned so the club doesn’t lose face and if he hangs around for another two years it gives them time to groom or find a replacement.

I sure hope you're right Supercoach because the silence around our recruitment, while all this is going on, is deafening! Plenty of players leaving, but no one coming.