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This assumes Ivan in 2021 wasn't part of the Nathan Cleary contract arrangements. Who knows though - Gus has lost the plot
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This assumes Ivan in 2021 wasn't part of the Nathan Cleary contract arrangements. Who knows though - Gus has lost the plot
happy_tiger
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Yes but how could we read Bennett's body language 😱pen_mouth:
goldcoast_tiger
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Nathan has said himself that he doesn’t want it to drag on and will decide sooner
Roar_Power
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To be honest, if it were a case of Ivan signing with the Panthers, his continued appointment as WT coach would be untenable and conflicted. No point keeping him here for the sake of saving face. How would senior management be able to work with him for the next two years? At a minimum, recruitment would need to be taken out of his hands…
HabboTiger
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Panthers offer Ivan Cleary a three-year deal from 2021
Adrian Proszenko
By Adrian Proszenko
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/panthers-offer-ivan-cleary-a-three-year-deal-from-2021-20180918-p504ie.html
Penrith are deep in negotiations to bring Ivan Cleary back to the club from 2021 in a move that would place pressure on Wests Tigers to release him immediately.
Cleary is contracted to the Tigers until the end of 2020 but Fairfax Media can reveal that the Panthers are in the process of offering him a three-year deal from 2021\. The development comes as his son, gun halfback Nathan, is poised to sign a contract until the end of 2023 - one that would mirror his father’s tenure should he join immediately.
Together again? Ivan Cleary gives Nathan a hug after a Panthers game last season.
Together again? Ivan Cleary gives Nathan a hug after a Panthers game last season.
Photo: NRL Photos
The Clearys have made no secret of their desire to work together and the latest move could result in them again joining forces at the foot of the mountains in the off-season. The family stands to enjoy a $10 million-plus windfall if both Clearys are at the Panthers over the next five years.
The Tigers have every right to force Cleary senior to see out the remainder of his contract after throwing him a lifeline after he was sacked at the Panthers. But the situation will almost certainly become untenable if he has made a long-term commitment to a rival team.
Cleary has done little to douse speculation over his future after it emerged the Panthers wanted him back to replace Anthony Griffin. The former Warriors mentor has refused to take any questions on the issue, having addressed the matter only in a brief written statement after the news broke. The 47-year-old’s mantra at the Tigers has been “on the bus”, but it remains to be seen if the Penrith offer will result him disembarking.
Nathan Cleary had initially outlined his plan to make a call on his future on his 21st birthday, a milestone he reaches in November. However, he told Fairfax Media last weekend that he was keen to fast-track negotiations, hinting “It will be very, very hard to walk away” from the Panthers. Penrith supremo Phil Gould indicated a deal was imminent on the Channel Nine's 100% Footy on Monday night and deal is expected to be formalised and announced by the end of the week.
The Tigers had hoped a Cleary family reunion would occur at Concord and were preparing to make a big-money play once Nathan hit the open market on November 1\. However, it now appears they could be without both Clearys in a matter of weeks if Ivan signs with Penrith and requests an immediate release or is asked to move immediately.
The Tigers will likely seek compensation if Cleary wants out, either through player transfers or a financial settlement. Regardless, there are plenty of coaching replacement options. Premiership winners Michael Maguire and Des Hasler are club-less, Trent Barrett is on borrowed time at Manly, Wayne Bennett could consider longer-term options with only a one-year deal at Brisbane, while Kevin Walters, Laurie Daley, Geoff Toovey, Neil Henry, Todd Payten and Justin Holbrook are among the other alternatives.
Although the Tigers missed the finals - they finished in ninth spot - Cleary’s stocks have risen after overseeing a rebuild at a club many tipped to come last. The bond between the Cleary clan is undeniable, as evidenced by Ivan’s decision to donate a kidney to his brother Ash.
However, Cleary senior will come under heavy criticism if he doesn’t commit solely to the Tigers. He convinced a number of the club’s biggest-name recruits to join and play for him, some of them signing long-term deals or subsequently renewing their contracts.
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There is also the question of why Cleary would want to go to a club that only recently sacked him. Gould said Cleary was “tired”, ushering in Griffin as his replacement. However, Gould then sacked Griffin with more than two years remaining on his contract, leaving Cameron Ciraldo to oversee the team in a caretaker role over the past six weeks.
It remains to be seen how, and for how long, Gould and Cleary can work together this time around if the later decides to return to his old post.
Adrian Proszenko
By Adrian Proszenko
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/panthers-offer-ivan-cleary-a-three-year-deal-from-2021-20180918-p504ie.html
Penrith are deep in negotiations to bring Ivan Cleary back to the club from 2021 in a move that would place pressure on Wests Tigers to release him immediately.
Cleary is contracted to the Tigers until the end of 2020 but Fairfax Media can reveal that the Panthers are in the process of offering him a three-year deal from 2021\. The development comes as his son, gun halfback Nathan, is poised to sign a contract until the end of 2023 - one that would mirror his father’s tenure should he join immediately.
Together again? Ivan Cleary gives Nathan a hug after a Panthers game last season.
Together again? Ivan Cleary gives Nathan a hug after a Panthers game last season.
Photo: NRL Photos
The Clearys have made no secret of their desire to work together and the latest move could result in them again joining forces at the foot of the mountains in the off-season. The family stands to enjoy a $10 million-plus windfall if both Clearys are at the Panthers over the next five years.
The Tigers have every right to force Cleary senior to see out the remainder of his contract after throwing him a lifeline after he was sacked at the Panthers. But the situation will almost certainly become untenable if he has made a long-term commitment to a rival team.
Cleary has done little to douse speculation over his future after it emerged the Panthers wanted him back to replace Anthony Griffin. The former Warriors mentor has refused to take any questions on the issue, having addressed the matter only in a brief written statement after the news broke. The 47-year-old’s mantra at the Tigers has been “on the bus”, but it remains to be seen if the Penrith offer will result him disembarking.
Nathan Cleary had initially outlined his plan to make a call on his future on his 21st birthday, a milestone he reaches in November. However, he told Fairfax Media last weekend that he was keen to fast-track negotiations, hinting “It will be very, very hard to walk away” from the Panthers. Penrith supremo Phil Gould indicated a deal was imminent on the Channel Nine's 100% Footy on Monday night and deal is expected to be formalised and announced by the end of the week.
The Tigers had hoped a Cleary family reunion would occur at Concord and were preparing to make a big-money play once Nathan hit the open market on November 1\. However, it now appears they could be without both Clearys in a matter of weeks if Ivan signs with Penrith and requests an immediate release or is asked to move immediately.
The Tigers will likely seek compensation if Cleary wants out, either through player transfers or a financial settlement. Regardless, there are plenty of coaching replacement options. Premiership winners Michael Maguire and Des Hasler are club-less, Trent Barrett is on borrowed time at Manly, Wayne Bennett could consider longer-term options with only a one-year deal at Brisbane, while Kevin Walters, Laurie Daley, Geoff Toovey, Neil Henry, Todd Payten and Justin Holbrook are among the other alternatives.
Although the Tigers missed the finals - they finished in ninth spot - Cleary’s stocks have risen after overseeing a rebuild at a club many tipped to come last. The bond between the Cleary clan is undeniable, as evidenced by Ivan’s decision to donate a kidney to his brother Ash.
However, Cleary senior will come under heavy criticism if he doesn’t commit solely to the Tigers. He convinced a number of the club’s biggest-name recruits to join and play for him, some of them signing long-term deals or subsequently renewing their contracts.
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There is also the question of why Cleary would want to go to a club that only recently sacked him. Gould said Cleary was “tired”, ushering in Griffin as his replacement. However, Gould then sacked Griffin with more than two years remaining on his contract, leaving Cameron Ciraldo to oversee the team in a caretaker role over the past six weeks.
It remains to be seen how, and for how long, Gould and Cleary can work together this time around if the later decides to return to his old post.
Roar_Power
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I suspect WT management knows whats going on and what lies ahead from a coaching standpoint. Its us fans that will have to wait for the formal statement saying Ivan has jumped ship…reckon this will be sooner rather than later.
Untenable is the OUT someone on his position would be hoping for. I think we stick with him for the full period and see what happens.
The WTs shouldn't just buckle.
The WTs shouldn't just buckle.
goldcoast_tiger
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When has he continued meetings with Panthers?
He may not have been anywhere them.
As for cutting our ties and getting compensation, unless he actually walks out, we can’t get any Compensation.
If theclub simply cuts ties with him they’ll get nothing
HabboTiger
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I still believe this is gus modelling with the media to force outcomes in his favour,
avocadoontoast
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I’d be pretty surprised to see Ivan here next year to be honest.
goldcoast_tiger
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No! That’s secret is taken care of , it’s locked away in a Swiss bank under armed guard, we’ll never lose that
Lol
Curly_Tiger
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Nathan "expects to sign" and Penrith are "in the process of offering him (Ivan) a three year deal from 2021"
Is it just me or is this weird the way everything is playing out in the media as a done deal when it isn't. Is it a case of Gus calling in favours from his media cronies? Why would the Clearys see that as an appropriate way of conducting negotiations. Surely it puts pressure on Penrith to get it across the line and weakens their bargaining position
Seems to me they don't want Nathan to get through to 1st November. The November date is nuts by the way, it has knock on effects as we see in this deal. It should change and whatever it is should be in place for coaches as well
I agree the whole thing is concerning but until it's all officially announced I'm sticking with the Lloyd Christmas mantra and thinking "we're still a chance" on both
Is it just me or is this weird the way everything is playing out in the media as a done deal when it isn't. Is it a case of Gus calling in favours from his media cronies? Why would the Clearys see that as an appropriate way of conducting negotiations. Surely it puts pressure on Penrith to get it across the line and weakens their bargaining position
Seems to me they don't want Nathan to get through to 1st November. The November date is nuts by the way, it has knock on effects as we see in this deal. It should change and whatever it is should be in place for coaches as well
I agree the whole thing is concerning but until it's all officially announced I'm sticking with the Lloyd Christmas mantra and thinking "we're still a chance" on both
Chicken_Faced_Killa
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I think Ivan needs to stay on for a least 2019\. If he has intentions of going else where from 2021 we can look at arrangements that are beneficial to everyone before 2020\. This would allow a proper transition period for a new coach.
Pawsandclaws
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What the first sentence suggests is what prompted our CEO to threaten legal action in the first place. Suggests either despite all the bravado of young NC signing with the Panthers, it may not be clear cut if IC remains a WT. Ian Chappell always said to what your opponent would least want you to do. Time for the WTs to hang touch and continue on with the rebuild. Two years is a long time.
supercoach
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Of course the Tigers are not going to say to Ivan your free to walk and get nothing out of the deal. If they do release him and that is pure speculation at this stage, there will be a deal brokered by Penrith and the WestsTigers and that is what Gould has been after since day one.
This is the scenario that Penrith wanted from day one and maybe we’ll advanced now that it seems NC is close to putting pen to paper or it may just be Gould using the media to make the Tigers uneasy about the coaching situation
innsaneink
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There's no facts there… This is fox sports - well known for not being totally truthful.
IF this does eventuate then question his integrity all you like, I will join you... But until then let's be careful taking foxsports/nrl 360/any media's word as gospel eh?
GNR4LIFE
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If it means keeping all of our precious secrets under lock and key, you bet i am.
innsaneink
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Bahahaha
momo_amp_medo
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Right ….. let me see if I got this right please.
Gould is going to offer a 2019-2020 contract to a coach on a clear understanding that he will be out of job in 2021 because they signed Cleary in 2021?
Let me run out and accept that offer.
No .... this is either bull-dust or Gould is playing high stakes poker with Pascoe and the two Cleary's are in the pot.
I would say the latter.
No formal contract signed yet by Cleary junior so negotiations (final sign off) seems to me to be based on what happens with Dadda. I am afraid it all points to negotiated release with compo. Pascoe will need to be firm on that aspect and club not seen to roll over.
As far as Cleary senior is concerned (if that happens) he will lose a lot of respect in eyes of lots of people both within this clubs community and NRL people generally./
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