Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

I was impressed when Pascoe said that " he will not get a release if he asks for one "
But…..
Why did Pascoe say in his words " We will fight to tooth and nail to keep him " why would you say that if you know his Contracted to us for another 2 years.....there is nothing to fight over you have just said his not getting a release .

Behind closed doors things and truths are spoken hence why Ivan has secretly made a deal with the Panthers already.
Put the Jigsaw pieces together it ain't that hard .
 
Penrith played their check mate move in the papers today.

Article saying they will wait the 2 years and sign Ivan at the end of it if they have to. They'll happily stay with Ciraldo.

Can't see the West's Tigers being able to get around that. Even if Ivan cane out and said he was staying we would be nothing more than his transit lounge.

We couldn't build towards the future or recruit properly or even go about normal day to days without it being an issue for 2 years.

Game over!

Get the best compensation we can from the deal and move on
 
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Baze I got no idea how accurate your Mail is but i have no doubt that you are 100% correct .

If true? Big IF!!!!! Pascoe and Go are going to look like fools by what they have said that no release will be Granted .
Will soon find out .
 
Gus will be on the footy show tonight

I wonder if it’ll be the real Gus Gould that will appear or his stunt double ?

I’ll ask Geo !!

Hey Geo ….......!!
 
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Penrith played their check mate move in the papers today.

Article saying they will wait the 2 years and sign Ivan at the end of it if they have to. They'll happily stay with Corals.

Can't see the West's Tigers being able to get around that. Even if Ivan cane out and said he was staying we would be nothing more than his transit lounge.

We couldn't build towards the future or recruit properly or even go about normal day to days without it being an issue for 2 years.

Game over!

Get the best compensation we can from the deal and move on
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:laughing: We must think the same . Gus is playing Mr Innocent in the media :laughing: but he knows his next Chess move .

His GONE!!!!!!
 
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Penrith played their check mate move in the papers today.

Article saying they will wait the 2 years and sign Ivan at the end of it if they have to. They'll happily stay with Corals.

Can't see the West's Tigers being able to get around that. Even if Ivan cane out and said he was staying we would be nothing more than his transit lounge.

We couldn't build towards the future or recruit properly or even go about normal day to days without it being an issue for 2 years.

Game over!

Get the best compensation we can from the deal and move on
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Exactly right. His position here is untenable. What a scum of a person. Took us for a ride when we brought him out of the wilderness when he was unemployed. The minute penrith brought up him coaching there he should have walked away. I hope this goes down as one of the worst moves in history and him and his son have nothing but losses and failure to come in the future.
 
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:laughing: You think Ivan hasn't nutted out a deal just cause he hasn't asked for a formal release yet….yeah righto :laughing:

What deal Gus said no offer has neen made.

The answer will be No

Then why doesn’t Ivan come out and lay it all to rest ?

Is he sooking that WT won’t let him go ?
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Did Gus ring you and told you that himself ? :laughing: you don't know anything .

Exactly hobbo , some make you laugh on here they still believe in the tooth ferry :laughing:
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Gus also said 2 weeks ago there was no problem with Griffin and he’ll be the coach next year.
Yeah…....can really rely on Gus for the truth.
 
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Penrith played their check mate move in the papers today.

Article saying they will wait the 2 years and sign Ivan at the end of it if they have to. They'll happily stay with Corals.

Can't see the West's Tigers being able to get around that. Even if Ivan cane out and said he was staying we would be nothing more than his transit lounge.

We couldn't build towards the future or recruit properly or even go about normal day to days without it being an issue for 2 years.

Game over!

Get the best compensation we can from the deal and move on
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Yep. Been thinking that all along. We can do what we like but in the end we will have a coach who wants to be elsewhere
 
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What’s ‘hilarious’ and ‘comival’ Is experienced and valued posters taking the piss out of all the other posters who are just writing genuine, heart felt opinions about stuff we care about. Less sarcasm might actually encourage more people to contribute

Don't see where it was said no one cares or cant post their heart felt opinions

Its funny because people basing their opinions on what is reported in the media were ready to string him up and run Cleary out of dodge….then when facts are presented from the club it's a total backflip....

But hey it was on TV..and in the paper

People are responding emotionally to every ‘next bit’ of information. Me too. That’s to be expected.

Initially I think everyone was shocked that someone we respected could act totally against what he seemed to value. This turned to anger when it seemed to be true. Now it’s just pure confusion because of all the lies and spin. We don’t know what to believe.

And I think that’s fair enough at the moment
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Facts people, facts…not too many people are considering the facts. I'm an investigator so it's my bread and butter - making assumptions does not come into it - it's inherently dangerous. So let's look at the facts:

Phil Gould sacks Anthony Griffin - both have had their say in the media as to why but what we do know is - they don't get along;
Cleary is friends with a guy that works at Penrith (David O'Neill) - they catch up regularly;
O'Neill floats the idea of Ivan coming back to Penrith to coach (exactly how and when we don't know);
Ivan tells Pascoe that Penrith have made an approach to him;
Pascoe informs Ivan that IF he asks for a release, it will be denied;
Pascoe informs the Wests Tigers board including Marina Go;
Gould says Penrith have a "preferred coach" in mind but to date have 13 people interested in the job;
Gould has attempted to call Go, she has not returned his call;
Pascoe and Go both issue statements to the media and public advising that Ivan has not asked for a release, and if he does it will be denied and the Tigers will dig in (from a legal and compensation perspective) and say they won't be pushed around by other clubs;
Gould issues a statement saying he does not expect to see Ivan at Penrith next year; and
Ivan still has not sought a release.

They are the basic facts of the matter. Throw the media into it and this is where the water begins to turn muddy. The media speculates - in the rugby league world they do it all the time. They report things which simply are not true and some people are naïve enough to swallow it. For example, they said Ivan told the players he may not be there next year as he has a tough family decision to make - Marina Go confirmed this was falsely reported - but that news piece in itself sends people into hysteria and jumping to conclusions.

There is no conclusion just yet, but the facts point towards Cleary staying. If he does go, well those details are either yet to be worked out, or yet to be made public.
 
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I was impressed when Pascoe said that " he will not get a release if he asks for one "
But…..
Why did Pascoe say in his words " We will fight to tooth and nail to keep him " why would you say that if you know his Contracted to us for another 2 years.....there is nothing to fight over you have just said his not getting a release .

Behind closed doors things and truths are spoken hence why Ivan has secretly made a deal with the Panthers already.
Put the Jigsaw pieces together it ain't that hard .
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What makes you so sure Ivan has "secretly made a deal with the panthers already"? perhaps he has but it would seem completely out of character to do so.
 
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Gone…

Baze I got no idea how accurate your Mail is but i have no doubt that you are 100% correct .

If true? Big IF!!!!! Pascoe and Go are going to look like fools by what they have said that no release will be Granted .
Will soon find out .
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Depends what we get in return. I'll be very disappointed if we don't make them sweat it out. If we do release him, ignore them till the day after their season finishes. Till then, let it sabotage their run to the finals.

Whatever is agreed upon, we have a right to know. Even if its money. I know those matters are usually sensitive, but these are extraordinary circumstances. Full disclosure is owed.
 
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Penrith played their check mate move in the papers today.

Article saying they will wait the 2 years and sign Ivan at the end of it if they have to. They'll happily stay with Corals.

Can't see the West's Tigers being able to get around that. Even if Ivan cane out and said he was staying we would be nothing more than his transit lounge.

We couldn't build towards the future or recruit properly or even go about normal day to days without it being an issue for 2 years.

Game over!

Get the best compensation we can from the deal and move on

Exactly right. His position here is untenable. What a scum of a person. Took us for a ride when we brought him out of the wilderness when he was unemployed. The minute penrith brought up him coaching there he should have walked away. I hope this goes down as one of the worst moves in history and him and his son have nothing but losses and failure to come in the future.
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this is a game changer, and u are 100% right he has to go, unless he comes out and says iam staying give me another 2 years on my current contract. other than that we should get what we can from penrith and sign griffen.
 
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Gone…

Baze I got no idea how accurate your Mail is but i have no doubt that you are 100% correct .

If true? Big IF!!!!! Pascoe and Go are going to look like fools by what they have said that no release will be Granted .
Will soon find out .
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Fools …... really? Why?
They are playing the game of poker mate. There is no better way than how they are approaching the situation.
You don’t really expect them to say they would grant a release and get nothing in return.
 
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