Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

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I'm no rugby league history expert, but was just wondering. I know it's just all still rumours atm, but if Ivan does commit to the panthers soon for 2021, has this happen happened to any club before? That being a coach signed to another club with 2 years remaining on his current contract and the effect it had on the team.
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Was thinking that myself. We always break the rule this club.

This will be the first then the NRL after lettting it happen will tighten up the rule and stop it happening to the others.
 
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I'm no rugby league history expert, but was just wondering. I know it's just all still rumours atm, but if Ivan does commit to the panthers soon for 2021, has this happen happened to any club before? That being a coach signed to another club with 2 years remaining on his current contract and the effect it had on the team.
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Only 1 year but Todd Greenberg and the Bulldogs signed Hasler at the end of 2011 for the 2013 season. At first Hasler was going to coach Manly for 2012 but he ended up leaving early and coaching at the Bulldogs from 2012, a year early.
 
Gus did the same when Ivan was at the warriors sign him I think 14 or 16 months before his contact ran out and the warriors released him with a year left
 
Did Ivan stop to think about the ramifications this will / is having on Nathan
Didnt Ivan say he didnt want to put pressure on Nathan
Ahhh hello Ivan
How do you think nathan is feeling now
 
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The annoying thing is the fact i thought we were over being the laughing stock of the NRL, but poof we are back to that point again. Surely it's not just a coincidence it's always happening to us.

But we are not the laughing stock of the NRL. If anyone is, it's Penrith. They sack IC and pay him out. Extend Griffen and, less than a year after his extension, they sack him and offer the man they sacked previously the job. This is Keystone Cops behaviour.

Gould has admitted he didn't have a Plan B when he sacked Griffen and now he is saying that he doesn't expect IC to ask for a release to coach Penrith next year. Now there is talk of Penrith appointing an interim coach for two years until IC becomes available.

This is bizarre behaviour and Penrith (Gould) look like complete amateurs.

They are raging hot favorites to secure both Ivan and Nathan long term. They win.

History is written by the winners. No one will care about any of that once they announce the 2 signings.

Agree.

They may be deceitful, underhanded, sly etc but they are not amateurs. They will win.
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They will win what ? They appoint a coach (who was considered not good enough 3 years ago) because they want to retain his son - now that makes sense.

Or, they put in a caretaker for two years; ie, someone who they regard as not quite up to the task, when they have a red hot squad that is capable of winning the comp now.

I can't believe you guys are suggesting that these are smart moves. It looks dumb to me.

In the meantime Penrith and Gould have tarnished their reputation and they are currently mounting a major PR offensive to save their image.
 
Come on everyone, there is a possibility the club is working on a deal to keep and extend Ivan. Remember this has taken all in the club by surprise and all actions to date have been reactive. Putting a deal together takes time. Let's wait and see before condemning the man.
 
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Cant wait for the post game press conference on Sunday..

Are you hanging out to hear Ivan say he's there to talk about the raiders game and he won't be fielding questions about the Panthers?
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Hoping he cops a grilling..but true, he will say that
 
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But we are not the laughing stock of the NRL. If anyone is, it's Penrith. They sack IC and pay him out. Extend Griffen and, less than a year after his extension, they sack him and offer the man they sacked previously the job. This is Keystone Cops behaviour.

Gould has admitted he didn't have a Plan B when he sacked Griffen and now he is saying that he doesn't expect IC to ask for a release to coach Penrith next year. Now there is talk of Penrith appointing an interim coach for two years until IC becomes available.

This is bizarre behaviour and Penrith (Gould) look like complete amateurs.

They are raging hot favorites to secure both Ivan and Nathan long term. They win.

History is written by the winners. No one will care about any of that once they announce the 2 signings.

Agree.

They may be deceitful, underhanded, sly etc but they are not amateurs. They will win.

They will win what ? They appoint a coach (who was considered not good enough 3 years ago) because they want to retain his son - now that makes sense.

Or, they put in a caretaker for two years; ie, someone who they regard as not quite up to the task, when they have a red hot squad that is capable of winning the comp now.

I can't believe you guys are suggesting that these are smart moves. It looks dumb to me.

In the meantime Penrith and Gould have tarnished their reputation and they are currently mounting a major PR offensive to save their image.
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PM me when its all said and done and see if we are right. NO ONE WILL CARE when they have both Clearys!
 
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Come on everyone, there is a possibility the club is working on a deal to keep and extend Ivan. Remember this has taken all in the club by surprise and all actions to date have been reactive. Putting a deal together takes time. Let's wait and see before condemning the man.
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How effective is a deal when he is looking to the future - elsewhere! Most probably at Joan Sutherland theatre in Penrith where Ivan plays Romeo and Nathan plays Juliet.
Get onto Micheal McGuire now and let’s have a future.
 
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I'm no rugby league history expert, but was just wondering. I know it's just all still rumours atm, but if Ivan does commit to the panthers soon for 2021, has this happen happened to any club before? That being a coach signed to another club with 2 years remaining on his current contract and the effect it had on the team.
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Yes I wonder about the legalities of that. There is definitely a conflict of interest.
 
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It’s pretty clear what has happened here when you look at the timeline. Brent Read broke the story on Monday and stated WT officials uncontactable. After getting Ivan in on a meeting under false pretences Penrith made a play for his services. Ivan Cleary has entertained the idea clouded by the idea of coaching his son at a club with a better roster, better facilities and his mates there on the proviso he sits down with Pascoe. Gould uses this as the excuse to sack Griffin. Penrith leak to the Media to begin the destabilisation of the Tigers thinking they will roll over quick with a compensation package. Tigers deny any request for any release.

Penrith now deny everything and Gould gets exposed by Griffin as a manipulator and everything decision is made by Gus. Now damage control for Cleary and Penrith as he now will destroy his reputation if he leaves.

Cleary will have to explain this if he stays as the players will understand the impact of a family based decision.

I like what you’re saying. Could be feasible.

What I don’t like is Gould stating Cleary won’t ask for release. We have no coach. Tigers won’t let Cleary go etc etc. He’s a lying, manipulative toad - I don’t trust him - there’s more to come I think

It’s smart by Gould but low life behaviour.
They are positioning him for when he’s off contract but destabilising the Tigers now.
It retains Nathan as he knows his father is coming and creates a lame duck coach scenario for the Tigers who may release him at the end of next year. The Tigers lose here as the players know his coaching mantra is now a fraud and what are they buying into.

The only way this situation sorts itself out is if Cleary extends his Tigers deal to put it to bed.
Otherwise is a lame duck Cleary better than a strong willed and whole hearted Macquire.

I’d sign Macquire as head of football operations to make sure the long term of the club is looked after and also as an insurance policy for Cleary.

West’s have the cash and it won’t leave a lame duck Cleary with the power to make decisions which are short term if he is going in 2 years.
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Tyga,
Why are we holding Griffin up as some keeper of the truth?
we have no idea of what has happened throughout this., and may never know,
Im not saying that Griffin is lying, or any one is.
But Griffin seems to wear his welcome out on more than one occasion, and the last thing he is about to say , when hes looking for a new job, is that the stories about player dissatisfaction are wrong, seems everyone is wrong but Hook.
 
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Come on everyone, there is a possibility the club is working on a deal to keep and extend Ivan. Remember this has taken all in the club by surprise and all actions to date have been reactive. Putting a deal together takes time. Let's wait and see before condemning the man.

How effective is a deal when he is looking to the future - elsewhere! Most probably at Joan Sutherland theatre in Penrith where Ivan plays Romeo and Nathan plays Juliet.
Get onto Micheal McGuire now and let’s have a future.
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I just have to wait like everyone else but the name Shane Flanagan keeps arising.
 
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The annoying thing is the fact i thought we were over being the laughing stock of the NRL, but poof we are back to that point again. Surely it's not just a coincidence it's always happening to us.
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What???? - If anything i thing this club has become everyones second team as long as they stick to their guns. Gus has been shown up to be a liar and a buffoon and Penrith has been shown up as a club with no leadership at the top. Yet you find a way to sat we are the laughing stock.
 
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