Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[Eye_Of_Da_Tiger]

Wow look who the cat dragged out Smoking Gunge.

Don't make it personal - he hasn't broken any rules.

Nothing personal intended. Actually think he lightens the mood.

 

[smoking_gun]

Just remember that for once tigers have ALL the leverage. Only incompetence from Pascoe and go could see tigers lose out here. So relax. Anyone who is offered a job would look at it. Doesn’t mean they take it. Ivan is a good man who is highly respected. And he likes that people think that of him.

 

[AfricanAnimal]

Man I try to relax but I can't. I stuck an image of the panthers logo on my punching bag tonight and had one of the most intense workouts ever. I feel like I can send Lennox to the moon after that.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Just remember that for once tigers have ALL the leverage. Only incompetence from Pascoe and go could see tigers lose out here. So relax. Anyone who is offered a job would look at it. Doesn’t mean they take it. Ivan is a good man who is highly respected. And he likes that people think that of him.

😛ray:

 

[NT_Tiger]

Gould/penrith would be loving seeing tigers fans turn on our own coach. Thats probably half the strategy…say bits and pieces to the media in a certain way, leak half truths and make a few things up, let the media run with it and watch tigers fans turn on Ivan and push him out the door.

My take is that Ivan has been told that the head coach position at Penrith is available to him if he wants it for x dollars/years etc. Ivan has informed Pascoe of this off the back of the Griffin sacking yesterday (knowing the media would link him to his son). Pascoe has made comment about the two of them having a frank discussion around the situation - eg Pascoe letting Ivan know theres no way hes leaving here under contract. Also from Pascoes comments it's pretty clear that Ivan has not asked for a release. I actually think there is nothing to worry about at all and the comments from Go and Pascoe are completely reactionary to the intense media speculation and uproar from tigers fans that happened today rather than any concern internally. Pascoes video on our website I saw as a get stuffed to gould/penrith more than anything else.

Cant knock Ivan for receiving another job offer, have faith in Ivan that he will have come to the right decision. Everything the media is saying completely contradicts the character of the man we've gotten to know over the last 2 years. Just old mate Gould back at it again - causing a stir

Thanks Marzie. I was thinking I'd be on my own in this regard. Innocent until proven guilty? Not on this forum, the assumptions are sharpening the pitchforks for the masses.
It appears that many here have made the assumption that Pascoes talk about the legal side of things was in response to a request to leave from Cleary. I don't read it that way. Pascoe has said that Cleary has not asked for a release from either himself or Marina Go. I think the legal stuff was either to shut the Panthers offer down completely, or to set up proceedings following an attempt to coerce Ivan out of his contract, or both.

 

[Furious1]

I don’t know Ivan but I’d agree with SG that he seems a man of integrity.
This is the hope I’m clinging to in this situation.
I’m hoping the club has countered the Panthers and offered a 2 year extention to Ivan and continued discussions about Nathan.
Fingers crossed!

Best outcome for us.
Likely tho?

Pascoe hasn’t sat on his hands today. He cancelled meetings to focus on this and nip it in the bud. From all I’ve gathered I’d say it’s a bit more than a coin flip that he stays. But if he goes it will be for a Kings ransom. And not just financial compensation. Will be players involved

Flip of a coin? If you believe the reports,the Panthers thought they were chasing him for 2021, only for Ivan to request 2019\. Doesn’t sound like the guy he sold us when he started here, but, where there’s smoke and all…..

 

[smoking_gun]

What’s the worst that happens here really?

Lose Ivan, gain 2-3 of panthers current FG squad, hire Michael McGuire as replacement.

Or Ivan declines, tigers sign Nathan and tigers build a dynasty.

Relax.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Gould/penrith would be loving seeing tigers fans turn on our own coach. Thats probably half the strategy…say bits and pieces to the media in a certain way, leak half truths and make a few things up, let the media run with it and watch tigers fans turn on Ivan and push him out the door.

My take is that Ivan has been told that the head coach position at Penrith is available to him if he wants it for x dollars/years etc. Ivan has informed Pascoe of this off the back of the Griffin sacking yesterday (knowing the media would link him to his son). Pascoe has made comment about the two of them having a frank discussion around the situation - eg Pascoe letting Ivan know theres no way hes leaving here under contract. Also from Pascoes comments it's pretty clear that Ivan has not asked for a release. I actually think there is nothing to worry about at all and the comments from Go and Pascoe are completely reactionary to the intense media speculation and uproar from tigers fans that happened today rather than any concern internally. Pascoes video on our website I saw as a get stuffed to gould/penrith more than anything else.

Cant knock Ivan for receiving another job offer, have faith in Ivan that he will have come to the right decision. Everything the media is saying completely contradicts the character of the man we've gotten to know over the last 2 years. Just old mate Gould back at it again - causing a stir

Thanks Marzie. I was thinking I'd be on my own in this regard. Innocent until proven guilty? Not on this forum, the assumptions are sharpening the pitchforks for the masses.
It appears that many here have made the assumption that Pascoes talk about the legal side of things was in response to a request to leave from Cleary. I don't read it that way. Pascoe has said that Cleary has not asked for a release from either himself or Marina Go. I think the legal stuff was either to shut the Panthers offer down completely, or to set up proceedings following an attempt to coerce Ivan out of his contract, or both.

There are a few of us around who don't believe what has happened is consistent with what we know about Ivan Cleary.,

I looking forward to the fun with potential legal action against the Panthers and noted Gould was quick to say in an interview that it was not him who had the discussion with Ivan. They stick solid at Penrith.

 

[NT_Tiger]

People are missing the point - its more than just losing your coach - the whole Tigers brand would be laughable if they don't take a stand. Its about showing stakeholders and members and other clubs that the years of being a patsy are over. Pascoe has gone out of his way to state this. All that remains is that they stick to their guns. I personally believe Cleary will break his contract and walk with Gould up to his neck in that decision. If this happens the WT have to go hard - sue Cleary, sue Penrith and especially sue Gould. Stuff compensation. This could very well be a defining point in this clubs history.

The fact that Pascoe mentioned in the presser, that he too was sacked by the same CEO during his time @ the Panthers wasn't lost on me either. They've gone & made this personal. I salute Justin for coming out on the front foot & giving the fans what they needed.

You notice the PR machine kick into drive today too? A couple of manacured 1 sentence comments by both CEO & Chairman, and then a really well timed response 1 v 1 with Justin @ the end of the business day/news cycle.

This morning Brent Read questioned Ivan's integrity if he left the club, and now there's the article about how we can feasiby set up the chess board if we take it all the way to litigation. I'm actually proud of the club tonight. As I mentioned earlier, this is gotten personal now. Careers are on the line. We've got leverage 4 once now too. We gotta go all in boys & stop being emotional.

Yes

 

[smoking_gun]

I don’t know Ivan but I’d agree with SG that he seems a man of integrity.
This is the hope I’m clinging to in this situation.
I’m hoping the club has countered the Panthers and offered a 2 year extention to Ivan and continued discussions about Nathan.
Fingers crossed!

Best outcome for us.
Likely tho?

Pascoe hasn’t sat on his hands today. He cancelled meetings to focus on this and nip it in the bud. From all I’ve gathered I’d say it’s a bit more than a coin flip that he stays. But if he goes it will be for a Kings ransom. And not just financial compensation. Will be players involved

Flip of a coin? If you believe the reports,the Panthers thought they were chasing him for 2021, only for Ivan to request 2019\. Doesn’t sound like the guy he sold us when he started here, but, where there’s smoke and all…..

I flat out don’t believe that is how it went down at all.

 

[hobbo]

What’s the worst that happens here really?

Lose Ivan, gain 2-3 of panthers current FG squad, hire Michael McGuire as replacement.

Or Ivan declines, tigers sign Nathan and tigers build a dynasty.

Relax.

Why would we gain any players from Penrith?
What have the players got to do with the coaching ranks ?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I don’t know Ivan but I’d agree with SG that he seems a man of integrity.
This is the hope I’m clinging to in this situation.
I’m hoping the club has countered the Panthers and offered a 2 year extention to Ivan and continued discussions about Nathan.
Fingers crossed!

Best outcome for us.
Likely tho?

Pascoe hasn’t sat on his hands today. He cancelled meetings to focus on this and nip it in the bud. From all I’ve gathered I’d say it’s a bit more than a coin flip that he stays. But if he goes it will be for a Kings ransom. And not just financial compensation. Will be players involved

You’re quoting the journos on 360\. They said as much .

 

[AnonTiger]

Penriffs aim was to hold on to Nathan and they have succeeded. Even if Ivan is forced to see out his contract Nathan wont join the club now as Ivan will take the reigns of Penriff in 2021

 

[Nelson]

What’s the worst that happens here really?

Lose Ivan, gain 2-3 of panthers current FG squad, hire Michael McGuire as replacement.

Or Ivan declines, tigers sign Nathan and tigers build a dynasty.

Relax.

Well that could still be pretty bad if we end up with Tamou and Merrin at full freight…

 

[Tim Sheens]

The tone of pascoe is setting up for massive compensation. He knows Ivan is gone. Well that's my take. I'm usually wrong with these things like most other things..

Well, you started out strongly :wink:

 

[Lauren]

Try as I might, there’s no way I’d never stop supporting this team but this predicament truly sucks. It’s understanding if this does turn fans away.
Sufficient compensation for us would need to include a decent coach, amongst gaining players such as RCG, Kikau, Whare and Yeo or players of the same caliber.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

It’s also something that Gus said in his tweet that got me thinking that this may all be a storm in a teacup.
The only mistake that Cleary has made so far is that he waited two weeks too long to inform his employer of the meeting with the Panthers.
So we will wait and see ….. but to relax? I have a headache mate ..... and it’s getting worse. Can’t sleep and where is my TD?

 

[WestsBenTigers]

What’s the worst that happens here really?

Lose Ivan, gain 2-3 of panthers current FG squad, hire Michael McGuire as replacement.

Or Ivan declines, tigers sign Nathan and tigers build a dynasty.

Relax.

Kikau, JFH & DWZ please

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Penriffs aim was to hold on to Nathan and they have succeeded. Even if Ivan is forced to see out his contract Nathan wont join the club now as Ivan will take the reigns of Penriff in 2021

Even if we can get Nathan here a year earlier in 2020?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I’ll relax when we win the comp