Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[swag_tiger]

It’s also something that Gus said in his tweet that got me thinking that this may all be a storm in a teacup.
The only mistake that Cleary has made so far is that he waited two weeks too long to inform his employer of the meeting with the Panthers.
So we will wait and see ….. but to relax? I have a headache mate ..... and it’s getting worse. Can’t sleep and where is my TD?

Clearly is staying and I will tell you why

Clearly did not make a mistake waiting two weeks he only told the CEO on Monday because he did not want him to worry after the Penrith coach was sacked if Clearly wanted to leave he would have told the CEO two weeks ago that he wanted out I have been offered jobs many times and you never ever tell the guy that you work for about it unless you want to leverage something out of him you keep your mouth shut and have a happy working environment

Have you ever heard of punctuation?

:brick: :brick:

Who's Clearly? :laughing: I expected better English from the Queen!

That is one long sentence.

 

[foreveratiger]

Gutless .

Of course it's true 100% if not he would of come out and stated his desire to honour his Contract where he is .
Massive coincidence he informs Pascoe yesterday afternoon of his dialogue he had with the Panthers and there desire to take him back to the foot of the Mountains , then a couple of hours later Griffin is sacked .
If we are to believe there was no intention of him going back to Penrith why didn't he just tell Pascoe next morning something like this…... " Hey Pascoe you wouldn't believe mate , last night i had a meeting with the Panthers thinking it was in regards with Nathan's Contract and out of nowhere there asking me if i'd be interested in going back , what in the Hell are they thinking after what Gus did to me " , but no he kept it hush hush if that ain't Guilt don't know what is.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Why? When the Club stands strong in the face of rumours

Should’ve clarified more. Very proud of Justin’s efforts no matter what result we get. But If Ivan goes it will definitely have an effect on fans and shareholders. **Then if he stays, I’m sure some of the playing group as well as fans would lose a certain level of respect for him.** **A coach who’s priority was his son over a team** would make a lot of people question things.

Well firstly, as a father, I can say without equivocation that my son and daughter come first above all else on this planet and I will venture to say that many fathers will echo my sentiment.
Secondly, why would anyone, other than those buying into media rumours, lose respect for Ivan Cleary? Because Phil Gould wants us to? What has Ivan Cleary done that would make anyone to lose respect for him?

I hope this doesn’t come off as offensive to you.
1) Rightly so. Don’t get me wrong, I for one, actually love how Nathan and Ivan’s close bond is shown in the media. I’m just giving my own opinion as a fan after learning of these recent events, that is all.
2) I don’t really get the first parts of your question, Pascoe has already confirmed that Ivan held discussions with Panthers.
The fact that Ivan had a meeting with the Panthers to discuss Nathan’s development isn’t even the issue but **to offer to breach his own contract** (that he has with the Tigers)during that meeting, is unprofessional and unethical. Even if untrue, the meeting was solely about Nathan’s development and **should never have come to all of this**.
If it doesn’t happen, I don’t know how any player who signed at the club under the premises that he’d be coaching them would not lose any respect or trust. Players moved from overseas to fulfill Ivan’s vision meanwhile he considered walking away from it.
And if there are fans who don’t lose respect for him, kudos to them. I know this fan is sick of seeing my club used as a transit centre for players and coaches. I’m over the whole rebuild and it’s hurtful knowing that yet another person didn’t want to commit to this team. But all emotions aside, most fans would start to question his motives, knowing that his heart wasn’t set on staying.

But I understand what you’re saying, Phil Gould’s desire to resign Nathan is the catalyst to it all.

Did Ivan offer to breach his own contract? Says who?
Should never have come to what? It appears all it came to publicly is rumours and assumptions.
And, no I'm not offended in the slightest.

 

[swag_tiger]

Gutless .

Of course it's true 100% if not he would of come out and stated his desire to honour his Contract where he is .
Massive coincidence he informs Pascoe yesterday afternoon of his dialogue he had with the Panthers and there desire to take him back to the foot of the Mountains , then a couple of hours later Griffin is sacked .
If we are to believe there was no intention of him going back to Penrith why didn't he just tell Pascoe next morning something like this…... " Hey Pascoe you wouldn't believe mate , last night i had a meeting with the Panthers thinking it was in regards with Nathan's Contract and out of nowhere there asking me if i'd be interested in going back , what in the Hell are they thinking after what Gus did to me " , but no he kept it hush hush if that ain't Guilt don't know what is.

This is a sad, sad day for all of us Foreveratiger. And we thought he was a man of his word.

 

[Tbone]

Hope there is a big law firm helping the Tigers get maximum Panthers pokies dollars compensation for Ican Nearly's early release.

Brydens

Yeah, given their personal & commercial interest in the Tigers they will make sure we won't be railroaded.
As long as we are compensated & somehow manage to sign a decent coach I am happy for Ivan Cleary to drive his bus back to the mountains.

I’m pretty sure Brydens also sponsor the panthers as a minor sponsor, so they couldn’t take the case due to a conflict of interest. Not that you’d particularly want Brydens representing you.

 

[bigsiro]

Devo’d.

 

[happy_tiger]

Pascoe confiscated the keys off Ivan for taking his kindness for a weakness & testing their relationship. This is their chance to put it all aside & build a Dynasty here @ the Tigers though and they don't even know it.

Ivan could backtrack out of having a guilty conscience, and be a man & say "Yeah, nah, I met with the Panthers, but I never asked for a release - I'm staying at the Tigers, and am in-charge of this rebuild", he has the opportunity to do the honorable thing and lay down all the shame on Gus, he would rebrand himself overnight. He would turn into the Lord of Concord if he stayed & brought his son over, everything would be forgotten.

It could go either way realistically though.

I dunno Don , if everything being bandied around is true Ivan wants to coach his son in the best situation he can

Based on 2018 playing talent , the playing nursery Penrith have , the COE they have , can you really blame Ivan for seriously considering it

As a parent , I understand that , I want my kids to get the best they can and if I think I can help I will , no questions asked and if it put me in a bad light , poo happens , people will get over it and if they can't I couldn't and wouldn't give 2 hoots

But the WT's need to be tough in this negotiation , if they want Ivan for 2019 , Gus would want to fork over most the Universe for him

We could get the forwards we need and become a force

And there is a lot of coaches at the moment of a high quality , it could actually end up win / win

Neither Nathan Cleary or Ivan Cleary were going to win a premiership with our current cattle

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Interesting tweet from Gould earlier after someone said that he should apologize to the Tigers members…which Gus 'liked'

https://twitter.com/PhilGould15/status/1026784314631933952

 

[steve-o]

I will hold of off my judgement until we know exactly what’s going to happen, but IF Ivan leaves, he will lose all of my respect. When he signed Reynolds, Packer and Matulino to expensive and lengthy contracts, he obviously thought he could build a strong squad around them. Prove it Ivan, don’t jump ship now

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Just remember that for once tigers have ALL the leverage. Only incompetence from Pascoe and go could see tigers lose out here. So relax. Anyone who is offered a job would look at it. Doesn’t mean they take it. Ivan is a good man who is highly respected. And he likes that people think that of him.

SG, right or wrong I'm just disappointed at the speed with which members of this forum turned on the WT coach, all of which was based on assumption and fed by rumour. Sad really

Agreed and good post. Supporters get emotional when their club is threatened. and Ivan is the easiest target.

 

[The_Queen]

Clearly is staying and I will tell you why

Clearly did not make a mistake waiting two weeks he only told the CEO on Monday because he did not want him to worry after the Penrith coach was sacked if Clearly wanted to leave he would have told the CEO two weeks ago that he wanted out I have been offered jobs many times and you never ever tell the guy that you work for about it unless you want to leverage something out of him you keep your mouth shut and have a happy working environment

Have you ever heard of punctuation?

:brick: :brick:

Who's Clearly? :laughing: I expected better English from the Queen!

That is one long sentence.

We all suspected it, but now we finaly have the empiricial proof – grammar nazis are assholes.

Researchers at the university of michigan have drilled down into the minds of the obnoxious pedants whom feel the need to correct everyones grammar all the time.

As part of their study they asked 83 people to analyse an email full, of erors and then evaluated their personality traits.

The results were frankly unsurprising to.

Gramar police scored low on levels of agreeability and openmindedness, and high on levels of neuroticism and conscientiousness.
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The study also found that extraverts are more likely to overlook typos when judging a person, while introverts would negatively evaluate someones character if they’re email was full of mistakes.
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Are you an English teacher, marking a students paper? Strike while the lion is hot, and correct that grammar!

 

[The_Queen]

It's just some words late at night Relax

 

[innsaneink]

If the situation is true and smoking gun is saying at it is Wests Tigers have NO leverage.

Ivan wants to leave to coach Penrith, we beat our chests say no it is not happening he’s under contract.

If we don’t let him go we have a coach who doesn’t want to be here. So in affect the leader of the football doesn’t want to be at the club which is filter down through all levels like a poison. Penrith will offer the club some half arsed tokenistic deal knowing they are the ones with power and we are screwed.

The only hope we have is that Ivan is a man of his word and is having one over Penrith to lure Nathan here. But let’s be honest from what we know of each clubs facilities, player potential and money Penrith is a stronger club.

The leverage tigers have is he can’t coach another first grade NRL team til 2021\. The leverage is Penrith are hell bent on keeping Nathan they are trying to lure his dad there now. If Penrith don’t want to wait they will ha r to give up assets. That’s business

Well SG I have my list for Gus

You keep IC and NC

We will have

Tamou
RCG
Maloney
Mansour
Kikau

and 1.2 million in compensation

Sorry what was that Gus ??

Sorry Gus , I can't understand you …....oh sorry your gagging on it

My apologies

Yeah right and the NRL would say oh yeah that fine, contracts registered. :brick:
Even allowing for your exaggeration and we were looking at only 2 Penrith players paid under pnriths cap as SG suggests… Do we really thing THE NRL would allow this can of worms to become a precedent and usual practise?
It's effectively Penrith with 28 man squad paying for 30 and WTs with 32 man squad paying for 30... it would not happen

 

[Spacecub]

What a disgusting situation this scumbag has put has in. The worst possible outcome would have been having his son here, I hope that never happens. Stuff them and their dream, we backed him after Gould humiliated him, and people like me have supported some of his dodgy recruitment and selection calls only to get this.

Best case scenario for the integrity of the game is for us to keep him until Penrith invest in another coach and sack the grub the next day if he is chucking a Moses.

Next best thing, and probably better for us, is to take them to the cleaners in terms of players and cash. Just feeds back into the NRL being a grubby sport though, so I prefer we drag this out and humiliate the Clearys and Gould.

The poor players, probably the most mentally resilient bunch of good blokes who play for each other we've had since Sheens and they have to cop this. I thought Cleary sounded a bit strange saying this group might not be the group we need for success (after he assembled them), now I hope he chokes on a cooked bone like the Dog he appears to be.

Good rant OMT

Beautiful put mate fully support it.

Thanks Fellas
I really hope I'm wrong about him. Ttere are too many conflicting stories for any of us to know, but it does seem very plausible that he has sought a switch with a long way to go on his contract after committing us to a path that the next coach may disagree with. And the poor old Wests Tigers go back to square one…. again....

Your a 100% correct wether cleary stays or goes the damage has been done with him meeting with penrith while he knew he was still contracted to us till 2020…if pascoe digs in and refuses a release well surely the relationship between pascoe and cleary could become untenable

 

[jadtiger]

I will hold of off my judgement until we know exactly what’s going to happen, but IF Ivan leaves, he will lose all of my respect. When he signed Reynolds, Packer and Matulino to expensive and lengthy contracts, he obviously thought he could build a strong squad around them. Prove it Ivan, don’t jump ship now

I am in total agreement with all of what you say.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Gus loses Moylen, Peachey and others, dumps Hook, puts everything on Cleary/Cleary signing with him and comes up with a big fat no.
Doesn't leave him with much to gloat over and ends up in the foetal in the panthers car park.
Probably how it'll play out.
Nobody likes or trusts a sleaze bag.

 

[innsaneink]

Ok then …
What if the so called Penrith
“ leverage” players refuse to come ?

Pipe dreams mate !

Lol

Haha
I think you’ve got holes in your story !

I was laughing at the fact you think the players actually have a say in the scenario.

Players have no say in where they play?

What… Do you mean those players no one else wants?

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Beautiful put mate fully support it.

Thanks Fellas
I really hope I'm wrong about him. Ttere are too many conflicting stories for any of us to know, but it does seem very plausible that he has sought a switch with a long way to go on his contract after committing us to a path that the next coach may disagree with. And the poor old Wests Tigers go back to square one…. again....

Yeah mate if the nrl continues like this I will be switching off.

I used to love Rugby but at the ripe age of 18 i am starting to give up on the sport.

Mate I was thinking what the kids even younger than you think of all this. It's a poor example.

 

[The_Patriot]

Interesting tweet from Gould earlier after someone said that he should apologize to the Tigers members…which Gus 'liked'

https://twitter.com/PhilGould15/status/1026784314631933952

Its an interesting tweet alright.

Could mean a number of things though. My first thought is that he is saying Cleary went to them.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Pascoe confiscated the keys off Ivan for taking his kindness for a weakness & testing their relationship. This is their chance to put it all aside & build a Dynasty here @ the Tigers though and they don't even know it.

Ivan could backtrack out of having a guilty conscience, and be a man & say "Yeah, nah, I met with the Panthers, but I never asked for a release - I'm staying at the Tigers, and am in-charge of this rebuild", he has the opportunity to do the honorable thing and lay down all the shame on Gus, he would rebrand himself overnight. He would turn into the Lord of Concord if he stayed & brought his son over, everything would be forgotten.

It could go either way realistically though.

I dunno Don , if everything being bandied around is true Ivan wants to coach his son in the best situation he can

Based on 2018 playing talent , the playing nursery Penrith have , the COE they have , can you really blame Ivan for seriously considering it

As a parent , I understand that , I want my kids to get the best they can and if I think I can help I will , no questions asked and if it put me in a bad light , poo happens , people will get over it and if they can't I couldn't and wouldn't give 2 hoots

But the WT's need to be tough in this negotiation , if they want Ivan for 2019 , Gus would want to fork over most the Universe for him

We could get the forwards we need and become a force

And there is a lot of coaches at the moment of a high quality , it could actually end up win / win

Neither Nathan Cleary or Ivan Cleary were going to win a premiership with our current cattle

Good post Happy