HabboTiger
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Where did SG Relax thread go?
Ivan Cleary - THREAD..
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Tim Sheens
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I've always been happy with Luke Brooks, so have not been that fussed about the coach and son cow dung.
My word is my bond and I have little time for anyone other than the very underprivileged that show a lack of integrity. Any gloss that the man may have had, has now well and truly dulled due to his silence. All the other parties have spoken, so his lack of words is telling.
My word is my bond and I have little time for anyone other than the very underprivileged that show a lack of integrity. Any gloss that the man may have had, has now well and truly dulled due to his silence. All the other parties have spoken, so his lack of words is telling.
Eye_of_the_Tiger
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Fair enough i must have missed that.
What we don't know is the details though. How do we know they didn't say. "if Gus wasn't at the panthers would you be interested in coaching here again in the future?"
I get it that might be a bit far fetched the point is we don't know the context of the question ask to Ivan.
Until Ivan comes out and says his part. I will sit, wait and hope.
If it all does pan out that he goes i will be jumping up and down like every other supporter.
No point getting all worked up over rumors
4jtigers
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no point getting all worked up over rumors - this is correct… and no point getting all worked up if he goes - just sue him for breach of contract, his reputation will suffer if he goes
the quicker this circus goes away the better - it is damaging the West Tigers brand
the quicker this circus goes away the better - it is damaging the West Tigers brand
polskipantsless
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Just when i thought we would have a controversy free year.
teddy23
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To think there’s been over 1000 replies in 24 hour hours…..
jirskyr
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I was going to post something similar to this.
After all the furore yesterday afternoon, the undisputed facts of the matter are that Penrith have approached Cleary in some form, he has told the Tigers and the Tigers have made media statements that they will not release Ivan.
Whether or not Ivan is weighing up an offer - I don't think that really matters and I don't think it is a smear on Ivan's character.
Imagine if you were in your regular contract job, which you liked, and you had long-term aspirations with your current company and you liked the people and the challenges… and then your best mate from Company B comes to you and says: "I can guarantee you a contract of double-length, same seniority, double the pay and we get to work together in the best facilities".
Do you straight away say "nah mate, I'm a man/woman of my convictions and I'm going to honour my current contract"? Or do you take a few days to mull over this opportunity?
With respect to your current employer, do you then go to them and say "look, I've been offered a really substantial deal by Company B and I wanted to respect you and let you know that is has happened and I'm thinking about it. I expect you are going to hear rumours on the grapevine, so I wanted to come to you first. I've been caught by surprise by these developments and I can't make a decision right this minute. I like it here, and if you could match the conditions of their offer, I'd really like to weigh up two equal offers."
All of that sounds fair to me, and in terms of the facts presented, they are the only things that have happened. Some fans have taken Wests' media posturing to be about Ivan Cleary, but actually I think it's more about taking on Penrith very early in the piece. I think Tigers have been very aggressive to come out in the media and basically say "if any of this Penrith talk is true, we will fight it with everything we have." Worst thing to do for Tigers would be to go quiet and let Penrith think it will be a cakewalk.
But Ivan himself - what does the man say to placate fans right this moment? He's got a team to coach for this weekend. There's only two things Ivan can say to appease Tigers fans - #1 I have had an offer but I've decided to reject it; #2 I have had a substantial offer and I need time to consider it, without putting my current duties on hold.
Outcome #1 - unlikely to happen within a few days of Griffin being sacked, if the offer is genuinely new and substantial. Who would truly make a decision that quickly, even with the strongest convictions - sport is about making the most of your finite-length career.
Outcome #2 - fair and reasonable, however the stickler is that Tigers have already said they won't release. So how can Ivan come out and say publicly that he's considering a rival offer, when his current employers have already publicly stated that they won't let him? Tigers have essentially backed Ivan into a corner, and that's why I guess he hasn't made a statement yet - not because he's gone, but because anything he says would be contradictory to comments already made by both Penrith and Wests. Ivan also can't come out and say he's accepted an offer, because legally he's not allowed to and he gets himself into legal trouble by making such public statements.
Cleary can't avoid the press for long however; he has head coach duties and they are sure as hell going to bail him up.
I think people are mostly being fair so far - surprised, and if Ivan does ask to leave there will be huge backlash, but also he hasn't said or done anything in public yet.
You can't hate on Ivan for weighing up what is likely a very attractive job offer.
Like most of you I've got opinions on how this has all played out and who the bad guys and good guys are, if there are any good guys. I won't bore you with them because ultimately our opinions won't change how this plays out.
My thoughts are for our future. We have a game on the weekend and I can't see how this drama won't have a substantial effect on the outcome particularly against a team who've averaged 51.5 points against us in our last 4 games.
My bigger concern is recruitment. Depending on who you believe we are looking to recruit 4 - 6 players for 2019 and beyond. I think we all agree our list needs significant beefing up with quality first graders, not ISP level players. What quality player in their right mind would come to WT without knowing who was coaching.
Personally I think Cleary will go and frankly after this drama I'd say "good riddance". But, whichever way it plays out, it must be sorted inside one week or we risk longer term damage to the club.
My thoughts are for our future. We have a game on the weekend and I can't see how this drama won't have a substantial effect on the outcome particularly against a team who've averaged 51.5 points against us in our last 4 games.
My bigger concern is recruitment. Depending on who you believe we are looking to recruit 4 - 6 players for 2019 and beyond. I think we all agree our list needs significant beefing up with quality first graders, not ISP level players. What quality player in their right mind would come to WT without knowing who was coaching.
Personally I think Cleary will go and frankly after this drama I'd say "good riddance". But, whichever way it plays out, it must be sorted inside one week or we risk longer term damage to the club.
The_Patriot
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Yes.
A lot of denial going on but thats where it is.
Coastie_Tiger
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I watched the NRL 360 debate late last night and to say it left me gobsmacked was an understatement. There was a fair amount of love and understanding for Cleary saying stuff like he has more obligations to his son. I actually disagree with that, he has an obligation to his son as a father, he has an obligation to all the players he lured to us from O/S and other clubs and signed them on big deals with his vision. He had from what we believe full autonomy within reason over football operation.
The other things that floored me is when these meeting actually took place, over a week ago but nothing was said until late Monday afternoon. Why not be transparent even if your considering going, give the tigers every chance to sort out thier affairs, instead he left us caught on the hop. They were carrying on about his integrity that doesnt sound like integrity to me.
Im actually getting sick to death of hearing about his son, be a father be a man stop hiding in the shadows and show some of that integrity. Hand in your opal card while your at it, I cant believe there is no truth in this as there is so much smoke you cant see your hand in front of your face. Things have happened and he has put his son's playing career above any other of his many obligations. Remembering he could go and coach him in 2 years time but the suggestion that he in fact put forward the notion of next year is beyond ridiculous and shows no integrity whatsoever. No one has ever said you cant coach your son i believe people are bending over backwards to make it happen either here or there. I can see how there is a better option but do it in 2 years time.
The other things that floored me is when these meeting actually took place, over a week ago but nothing was said until late Monday afternoon. Why not be transparent even if your considering going, give the tigers every chance to sort out thier affairs, instead he left us caught on the hop. They were carrying on about his integrity that doesnt sound like integrity to me.
Im actually getting sick to death of hearing about his son, be a father be a man stop hiding in the shadows and show some of that integrity. Hand in your opal card while your at it, I cant believe there is no truth in this as there is so much smoke you cant see your hand in front of your face. Things have happened and he has put his son's playing career above any other of his many obligations. Remembering he could go and coach him in 2 years time but the suggestion that he in fact put forward the notion of next year is beyond ridiculous and shows no integrity whatsoever. No one has ever said you cant coach your son i believe people are bending over backwards to make it happen either here or there. I can see how there is a better option but do it in 2 years time.
I think it beggars belief to think Ivan Cleary wakes up one day and says "Gee I'd love to coach Penrith. I know they've got a coach already but I'll just call up and ask!"
I'm guessing IC spoke to the Penrith CEO who has said something like "If the job was available would you be interested?" And he said yes. Gus can play semantics all he wants but the insinuation that this was all Cleary's idea is ridiculous IMO.
I'm guessing IC spoke to the Penrith CEO who has said something like "If the job was available would you be interested?" And he said yes. Gus can play semantics all he wants but the insinuation that this was all Cleary's idea is ridiculous IMO.
GNR4LIFE
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To echo what others have said, this ends one of two ways
1\. He gets released with massive compensation given to us
2\. He extends his contract for 2 more years, equalling the length offered by Penrith. Though, probably equal monetarily.
I can live with either.
1\. He gets released with massive compensation given to us
2\. He extends his contract for 2 more years, equalling the length offered by Penrith. Though, probably equal monetarily.
I can live with either.
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Until Brisbane or Melbourne decides they want Madge as coach and he bolts and we're back to square one. Until he stand up to the bullies history will keep repeating.
