Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[hsvjones]

I dunno if someone offered my double my salary, I'd take a few days to think about it.

I think we can all agree that if there was nothing at all to this story, then Cleary could have come out really early and knocked it on the head, which he hasn't. So he must be making some kind of decision.

I can respect that he doesn't want to make a public comment until he makes a decision - that's something Phil Gould does, and Gus just gets caught up in all his lies. Perhaps Cleary is considering whether or not it's reasonable to take an offer from Penrith 2 years in advance.

Ivan has never seemed one flustered by media and speculation.

Imagine then if Ivan came out on Tuesday and said "there's nothing to this story", but decided to move to Penrith at some point - he'd be vilified way worse than he is being now, way worse.

If Cleary came out and said "it's a very substantial offer and I need to consider it" - people could respect that I guess, but then he'd be attacked for taking away the focus from the Tigers team.

I personally believe both of those scenarios are worse than current - he's wearing a bit of fan flack, but the media haven't really pounced on Cleary himself. So I can understand Cleary saying nothing until he has something substantial to say.

Now imagine if he holds a press conference on Saturday and says: "Penrith came to me with a very large offer from 2021 and I had to consider it, which I have done. I wanted to tell the Tigers about this offer straight away and not comment publicly until I'd made my mind up". Is that so unreasonable? In fact if not for Gould getting ahead of his own plans and firing Hook, we wouldn't even know about all of this.

Why is Ivan's position "untenable" as many people have said, for considering a big offer from somewhere else? Hell, James Tedesco accepted then turned down a huge Raiders offer and everyone was chipper about it.

And if Cleary does take an offer at Penrith 2021, for double his salary, could you really hate him for it? Could he not do a decent job in his last 2 years? He may or may not be like Mitchell Moses, but most players (and I assume offiicals) try to give their best within their contract, even if they are leaving at some point.

Good post mate..

 

[Kul]

So with all this silence from club and couch there is only one outcome to this… Coach is leaving and they are working out details and time frames etc...

So the fact that there were no jet engine fan blades found at the Pentagon means that it was actually a missile fired from a Iowa Class Attack Submarine parked off the coast and it was all organised by the White House, because Exxon wanted in on the Iraq Oil Fields

:bash

Please continue to draw precise conclusions from your subjective interpretation of limited facts.

you are a clown mate… Grow up

Read it again.. Until the coach comes out and clears the air and this settles down everyone will keep asking the questions..

Also this is a forum and we are entitled to put our thoughts down..

See this is where you are wrong.

Yes, Ivan hasn't come out and said anything (which, as a fan, I agree is annoying).
Yes, there has been nothing but speculation in the media.

But the club has said that Ivan hasn't asked for a release.
Now lets assume that Penrith have made an offer (which they are perfectly entitled to do) then Ivan also has the right to consider it in his own time.

Perhaps you are right and the finer details of his release are being sorted.
But perhaps the Tigers have told Ivan to sit tight while they make a counter offer?
Or perhaps Ivan has said that he needs to a few days to think about all the offers?
I can think of a thousand things that may have happened that can explain why Ivan hasn't spoken, all of them equally as viable as your interpretation that Ivan's silence equals him leaving.

The fact is, we don't know and it's silly trying to predict what's happening behind closed doors based off the food scraps that the media are being fed.

Just sit back, relax and wait for an announcement to be made either way.

 

[Nelson]

One of the reporters on TV tonight said Penrith have thrown 1.6mpa+ at Ivan which is double what he is on with us.

I still think Ivan will stay but if he does I would rather he is extended if Nathan signs long term with Penrith so it forces Panthers to look elsewhere for a long term coach.

1.6mil for Ivan and then they can sign Nathan for 400k. Its thinking outside the square.

Doesn't work like that anymore - not with the operations cap NRL are introducing. The money comes out of somewhere, either player salary or operations.

Yeah but unfortunately the only penalty for a breach of the operations cap appears to be a 37% tax, so a club could seemingly choose to spend $10 million over the cap, they'd just have to fork out an extra $3.7 million on top of that to do so (those ridiculous figures being adopted because I could not be bothered doing any maths…)

 

[Snow_Tiger]

I suggest everyone let @todd_greenberg know what that think of the matter in a civilised fashion on Twitter btw. It's a dreadful look for the whole NRL.

 

[hsvjones]

So with all this silence from club and couch there is only one outcome to this… Coach is leaving and they are working out details and time frames etc...

So the fact that there were no jet engine fan blades found at the Pentagon means that it was actually a missile fired from a Iowa Class Attack Submarine parked off the coast and it was all organised by the White House, because Exxon wanted in on the Iraq Oil Fields

:bash

Please continue to draw precise conclusions from your subjective interpretation of limited facts.

you are a clown mate… Grow up

Read it again.. Until the coach comes out and clears the air and this settles down everyone will keep asking the questions..

Also this is a forum and we are entitled to put our thoughts down..

See this is where you are wrong.

Yes, Ivan hasn't come out and said anything (which, as a fan, I agree is annoying).
Yes, there has been nothing but speculation in the media.

But the club has said that Ivan hasn't asked for a release.
Now lets assume that Penrith have made an offer (which they are perfectly entitled to do) then Ivan also has the right to consider it in his own time.

Perhaps you are right and the finer details of his release are being sorted.
But perhaps the Tigers have told Ivan to sit tight while they make a counter offer?
Or perhaps Ivan has said that he needs to a few days to think about all the offers?
I can think of a thousand things that may have happened that can explain why Ivan hasn't spoken, all of them equally as viable as your interpretation that Ivan's silence equals him leaving.

The fact is, we don't know and it's silly trying to predict what's happening behind closed doors based off the food scraps that the media are being fed.

Just sit back, relax and wait for an announcement to be made either way.

Agree mate with your reply..

I am just frustrated like many here that if he has not asked for a release yet you would of expected him to come out and clear the air. The longer it goes on to me it feel like its hurting the club and adding fuel to the fire.

If he has been offered a big $$$ deal I also understand him taking the time to consider as we all would.

So hopefully we don't have to wait weeks for this decision

 

[HabboTiger]

Ivan will do a coach insider tomorrow.

 

[tigeress]

Will there be a coaching insider this week?

I am wondering the same thing 😱pen_mouth:

 

[Geo]

Ivan will do a coach insider tomorrow.

Run all day at Blake Austin…Chee-Kam for a quadruple double..

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

So with all this silence from club and couch there is only one outcome to this… Coach is leaving and they are working out details and time frames etc...

So the fact that there were no jet engine fan blades found at the Pentagon means that it was actually a missile fired from a Iowa Class Attack Submarine parked off the coast and it was all organised by the White House, because Exxon wanted in on the Iraq Oil Fields

:bash

Are you saying IC masterminded the whole 911 attacks? Interesting. Has he ever denied he _wasn't_ involved?

DAM IT!!!!!!!, I Knew that Ivan was in on the plot to blow up something big on that day,

I caught a glimpse of someone that I'm absolutly almost sure was Ivan on a tv news report and guess what????
He was wearing a backpack.
What more evidence do you need than that.
look no further,

 

[Kerry_Cogger]

This is my last post on Ivan Cleary because I’ve said everything that I wanted to.
I believe Ivan is now poison and anything he does at the tigers from now is just going through the motions, he tried to bring it all to a head for move to the panthers next year but things got out too soon and if the panthers are ok to wait until 2021 for him so they can keep Nathan then it will surely be a much more secretive deal written in blood between Ivan and Gus to bring that to fruition.
We are just delaying the inevitable if Ivan stays on which effects our ability to move forward and become a force.
We don’t have time to sit in a holding pattern for 2 years.
Nathan Cleary is young, he may end up with a career ending injury next week then the game will move on. Ivan led us to believe he could attract Nathan to the tigers but alas you can leed a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
Ivan’s integrity is shot, he will probably come out now and deny it all and take our pay Cheques whilst he plots future plans for the panthers and Nathan incognito.
**I have friends who are panthers supporters, they tell me they would take Brooks and we have Cleary because “Nathan Cleary is not taking the line on”.**
I thought the world of Ivan but the deafening silence of his behalf only enforces what I believe to be the truth.

Gotta agree with this.I am pretty sure if Brooks was in that current panthers side with their forward and cleary currently played for us Brooks would be origin half.However I really want Ivan to stay cause the guy is definitely the best coach we have had possibly in our short history.

 

[tigeress]

So with all this silence from club and couch there is only one outcome to this… Coach is leaving and they are working out details and time frames etc...

So the fact that there were no jet engine fan blades found at the Pentagon means that it was actually a missile fired from a Iowa Class Attack Submarine parked off the coast and it was all organised by the White House, because Exxon wanted in on the Iraq Oil Fields

:bash

Please continue to draw precise conclusions from your subjective interpretation of limited facts.

you are a clown mate… Grow up

Read it again.. Until the coach comes out and clears the air and this settles down everyone will keep asking the questions..

Also this is a forum and we are entitled to put our thoughts down..

See this is where you are wrong.

Yes, Ivan hasn't come out and said anything (which, as a fan, I agree is annoying).
Yes, there has been nothing but speculation in the media.

But the club has said that Ivan hasn't asked for a release.
Now lets assume that Penrith have made an offer (which they are perfectly entitled to do) then Ivan also has the right to consider it in his own time.

Perhaps you are right and the finer details of his release are being sorted.
But perhaps the Tigers have told Ivan to sit tight while they make a counter offer?
Or perhaps Ivan has said that he needs to a few days to think about all the offers?
I can think of a thousand things that may have happened that can explain why Ivan hasn't spoken, all of them equally as viable as your interpretation that Ivan's silence equals him leaving.

The fact is, we don't know and it's silly trying to predict what's happening behind closed doors based off the food scraps that the media are being fed.

Just sit back, relax and wait for an announcement to be made either way.

Thanks Kul for your well thought out post. We are all pretty good at speculating at the moment aren't we :sign:

 

[Balmainian]

There is no way the club should extend Cleary. I’ve been a fan but was willing to give him leeway in his first year. We most likely don’t play finals this year. What if we don’t make finals next year and we now have him for 4 years. He has shown himself to have little integrity and if the club wasn’t playing hardball he would have walked out on us on Monday. So do we really want someone like that coaching our team? I know I don’t. Only here because his lawyer told him he has to be. Get as much compensation out of the panthers and move on. Ivan is now on his own bus heading up the m4 and good riddance.

He has shown himself to have little integrity …... Really? no clear evidence on that ....Jury still out.

There is no way the club should extend Cleary. ..... Maybe yes and maybe no. Depends how the final story pans out.

I’ve been a fan but was willing to give him leeway in his first year. ..... you haven’t given him much leeway that I can see.

We most likely don’t play finals this year. ...... first thing you said that you may be right on.

What if we don’t make finals next year and we now have him for 4 years. ........What is that all about? We probably will not with any other coach.

If the club wasn’t playing hardball he would have walked out on us on Monday. ..... Really? Source?

So do we really want someone like that coaching our team? ......... Yes because he is one of the best NRL coaches around.

I don’t. ...... OK but many others would.

Only here because his lawyer told him he has to be. ......... Really? source?

Get as much compensation out of the panthers and move on....... unlikely to happen. Panthers are a smart bunch who rely on lots of fake news which some people are all to eager to swallow.

Ivan is now on his own bus heading up the m4 and good riddance........ Really? I just today saw the bus parked at Concord. Getting ready for the journey to Canberra.

Chill out Girl Scout, it’s his opinion …....source? Ahahahah.
Where’s your evidence to back that none of this happened.
Oh yeah you saw a bus at concord ....... wow sorry my bad.

SIGH …..cant you read? I am saying that to date there is no clear evidence to nail anyone but Panthers for this.
Catch you at the next Scout Hall meeting .... girly!

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[Balmainian]

So with all this silence from club and couch there is only one outcome to this… Coach is leaving and they are working out details and time frames etc...

So the fact that there were no jet engine fan blades found at the Pentagon means that it was actually a missile fired from a Iowa Class Attack Submarine parked off the coast and it was all organised by the White House, because Exxon wanted in on the Iraq Oil Fields

:bash

Are you saying IC masterminded the whole 911 attacks? Interesting. Has he ever denied he _wasn't_ involved?

Apparently there was no bus at concord that day so maybe he was there.

 

[Icon]

watching this unfold from Korea, i'm a forensic accountant, I specialise in the marketing world, people lying is my speciality, what I can tell you guys is that their brand is diminishing by the minute, and they have all played a part in this, including Senior Cleary.
Gould is going out of way to protect his image, Go has rightly protected the WT image (great interview btw, but she also did not tell us the whole story), Pascoe was great the(respect)t, and since than it's all been bollocks, the Panthers know legally they don't have a show, they tried the a poker move on us and Pascoe saw the lies.

anyway, we'll get pumped this week unfortunately, but im flying home early for the Leichhardt game, where we can all scream or cry depending on what happens in the next few days.

 

[newtiger]

So with all this silence from club and couch there is only one outcome to this… Coach is leaving and they are working out details and time frames etc...

So the fact that there were no jet engine fan blades found at the Pentagon means that it was actually a missile fired from a Iowa Class Attack Submarine parked off the coast and it was all organised by the White House, because Exxon wanted in on the Iraq Oil Fields

:bash

Please continue to draw precise conclusions from your subjective interpretation of limited facts.

you are a clown mate… Grow up

Read it again.. Until the coach comes out and clears the air and this settles down everyone will keep asking the questions..

Also this is a forum and we are entitled to put our thoughts down..

See this is where you are wrong.

Yes, Ivan hasn't come out and said anything (which, as a fan, I agree is annoying).
Yes, there has been nothing but speculation in the media.

But the club has said that Ivan hasn't asked for a release.
Now lets assume that Penrith have made an offer (which they are perfectly entitled to do) then Ivan also has the right to consider it in his own time.

Perhaps you are right and the finer details of his release are being sorted.
But perhaps the Tigers have told Ivan to sit tight while they make a counter offer?
Or perhaps Ivan has said that he needs to a few days to think about all the offers?
I can think of a thousand things that may have happened that can explain why Ivan hasn't spoken, all of them equally as viable as your interpretation that Ivan's silence equals him leaving.

The fact is, we don't know and it's silly trying to predict what's happening behind closed doors based off the food scraps that the media are being fed.

Just sit back, relax and wait for an announcement to be made either way.

I can think of one very good reason why Ivan hasn't fronted the media, it's because they would turn it into a three ring circus.
They would take snippets of the interview that suit their own agenda.
Remember Buzz hates us, WWOS/Nine are a mouthpiece for the great Gus.

 

[Icon]

So the fact that there were no jet engine fan blades found at the Pentagon means that it was actually a missile fired from a Iowa Class Attack Submarine parked off the coast and it was all organised by the White House, because Exxon wanted in on the Iraq Oil Fields

:bash

Please continue to draw precise conclusions from your subjective interpretation of limited facts.

you are a clown mate… Grow up

Read it again.. Until the coach comes out and clears the air and this settles down everyone will keep asking the questions..

Also this is a forum and we are entitled to put our thoughts down..

See this is where you are wrong.

Yes, Ivan hasn't come out and said anything (which, as a fan, I agree is annoying).
Yes, there has been nothing but speculation in the media.

But the club has said that Ivan hasn't asked for a release.
Now lets assume that Penrith have made an offer (which they are perfectly entitled to do) then Ivan also has the right to consider it in his own time.

Perhaps you are right and the finer details of his release are being sorted.
But perhaps the Tigers have told Ivan to sit tight while they make a counter offer?
Or perhaps Ivan has said that he needs to a few days to think about all the offers?
I can think of a thousand things that may have happened that can explain why Ivan hasn't spoken, all of them equally as viable as your interpretation that Ivan's silence equals him leaving.

The fact is, we don't know and it's silly trying to predict what's happening behind closed doors based off the food scraps that the media are being fed.

Just sit back, relax and wait for an announcement to be made either way.

I can think of one very good reason why Ivan hasn't fronted the media, it's because they would turn it into a three ring circus.
They would take snippets of the interview that suit their own agenda.
Remember Buzz hates us, WWOS/Nine are a mouthpiece for the great Gus.

no mate, that's not the reason, he hasn't worked out his story yet, he's conflicted, he's mantra is to be the good guy, but he played a roll here and he's hoping it will all go away,

 

[Furious1]

So with all this silence from club and couch there is only one outcome to this… Coach is leaving and they are working out details and time frames etc...

Forget the idea that the silence is because we have a big game this Sunday because if he was staying they would just come out and clear this up so the PLAYERS can just focus.

Its that simple to me..

Time to start a search for a coach for 2019 unfortunately..

I am fuming like most as we all brought into Ivan and the direction but this will always be remembered..

I'm pretty sure the club has spoken a couple of times. Each time re-iterating Ivan has a contract and won't be released, nor has he at this stage requested one, and finally if Ivan and Nathan want to be in the same team in the next 2 years it will be at WT. Pretty clear to me.

yes understand this but why not as a coach just come out and clear the air with all the members and fans so everyone can move one.. If is was all cleared up we can move on..

I agree Ivan should say something mate, i just think the club has said themselves all that needs to be said.

 

[Abraham]

And if Cleary does take an offer at Penrith 2021, for double his salary, could you really hate him for it? Could he not do a decent job in his last 2 years? He may or may not be like Mitchell Moses, but most players (and I assume offiicals) try to give their best within their contract, even if they are leaving at some point.

The concern is that players may be reluctant to commit for a reasonable length of time to a club, if they have no idea who the coach will be in 12-24 months time.

So our recruitment efforts could take a hit fort he next season or two due to the uncertainty.

There are ways around it obviously, one of which is signing our own replacement coach for 2021, to give some certainty and stability to any potential recruits. Its a gamble committing to a coach that far ahead though.

The rest of your comments are definitely reasonable, but as nobody outside of the inner-sanctum knowing exactly what's being played out, we are all left playing out the what-ifs.

We just have to be patient it seems.

 

[HabboTiger]

Benji didn’t give off any club in crisis vibes.

 

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Benji didn’t give off any club in crisis vibes.

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