Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't understand how people can be upset when they think Ivan has been talking to the Panthers whilst contracted with us but then in the same conversation say that we should be going after Madge!!

With how things get leaked in the NRL, how unprofessional would our club look if there were rumours about us talking to Madge when we have come out so strongly in response to the Panthers talking to Ivan?

Who is Madge contracted to?

 

[clontarfkid]

Only two ways it can end from here..
1)Ciraldo gets the Panthers deep into the finals and triggers the Panthers Board(ie Gus)to reconsider his viability as an ongoing coach.This WONT happen
2)Cleary,currently on around $600k pa(after being picked up off the scrapheap btw),will contemplate a substantial payout to WT after considering whether the attraction of a >50% pay increase(maybe more as no -one else can work with Gus,and Bellamys benchmark $1.8 mill is a guide),a huge junior base,state of the art facilities plus the opportunity to coach his son will sway him.Game over.
Its just a matter of how much.
For WT,Madge is the sole proven option,despite coming with baggage post premiership win …but hes still miles ahead of other candidates.But from his perspective,Dragons or eels are both more attractive than WT despite incumbent coaches "having full support of the board"
Its a difficult balancing act all round

 

[jirskyr]

Twitter suggesting tension in the air last night between pascoe and ivan. No mention of each other in speeches wives kept well away from each other.

OH PLEASE. I bloody hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, what is this, Days of Our Lives? Some of you folks trying to turn this into a soap opera based on what people _didn't_ say and how they might have said it.

People have long complained about Tigers media treatment in the past, all the crap about "basket case" and "disjointed boards". This has been dramatically turned around in 2018 - very few negative stories, very few club leaks, no lack of unity… but this kind of buy-in nonsense from some fans about body language is exactly what keeps the media ticking over. Penrith sacks their coach and people go all weird about our coach based on rumour.

Who cares what Breen said, he opens his fat mouth every week and nonsense constantly pours out. The journo himself even joked that "eventually one of my theories will be correct" - how a journo can even joke about such a thing, make light of the fact that most of what they predict (i.e. a component of their professional output) isn't true. The bloke hasn't any strike rate to boast of, and he didn't actually say anything about having any information - no updates, no quotes, no discussions with people - just his gut feeling "if he was a betting man". It's just crap to fill the constant requirement for content now in the paper, on ~10 NRL chat shows, the radio and a 24/7 pay-TV channel.

Ivan said he isn't going, who cares how he said it. If he goes, he goes, no debate or body language analysis today makes a lick of difference.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Who's Breen…?

Neil Breen footy journo on 100% footy, also said Penrith will sign Cleary for 2021 if needed, but he believes the Wests Tigers won’t have a “lame duck coach for 2 years”.
Gus refused to deny or even answer question, at the end of segment he jokingly said you have a lot of conspiracy theories

I saw that last night theres still plenty of movement in this story, Gus was very very stone faced and looked uncomfortable. I think Penrith and Ivan will force our hand but we will hopefully get some decent compo out of it. But that doesnt do us a hell of a lot of good it will put us probably 2 yrs behind in our rebuild with player a new coach may not want.

 

[WT2K]

The story will keep going as its free traffic to websites etc. Once Panthers are out of the finals I'm sure jurnos will ignite the story moreso. We can only deal with what's currently know and that being IC has said he intends to see out his contract.
I'm sure we'll have backup plans in place if he for some reason goes back on his word.

 

[prattenparkchild]

I support Cleary and want him to remain at the club for the rest of his contract however, I wold certainly not be offering any extension until at least mid next season. WT suffered badly by being stampeded into an extension for Sheens when he did not merit it, and Cleary has not yet earned an extension.

Cleary's value is still a work in progress. He has picked the club up and re-ignited some passion into both the players and fan base however:
* recruitment of better players to replace departing players is potentially a big problem to which we have not seen any fruit beyond words,
* his use of 5 (?) co-captions pretty confusing,
* saying mid way through the season that he had still not figured out the main squad was unfathomable,
* his inability to calm the players and fix the basic handling errors that cruelled those few games we should have won (and been in the finals as a result),
* his absolute robotic press conferences after matches, I may have missed it, but I have never seen any passion from the bloke, and
* I know the fuse was lit by Gould but the whole Penrith coaching episode unsettled us at the wrong end of the season, played mind games with the players at the vital time of season for us, and has potentially destroyed our recruitment eg the Penrith centre that went to Bulldogs when he was being touted as coming to us.

Sounds a bit silly but if he does end up wanting out for next season, I'd sit him out for the next 2 years and get a replacement. For the abovementioned reasons I have no sympathy for an early negotiated release if requested. Bugger the extra money, we have to stand for something at the WT, but then again, if what is in the pot is good enough we should think about it.

 

[TYGA]

We need stability for at least 2 more years. Keep Cleary as coach and let him walk to the Panthers if he wants to go. He is a good team builder and will get the club into better shape.
It’s paramount when we get a new coach if Cleary leaves we get quality. With a better squad and likely better facilities by then it makes sense. Releasing Cleary would be the dumbest move we could make. He may not feel the same by then you never know what happens in 2 years.

 

[innsaneink]

sulking

carefully scripted answers

squirming in his chair

edgy

uneasy

unwilling to answer

**cold blooded**

**_doesn't have the gleam in his eye_**

Tension in the air

Stone faced

Uncomfortable

…..please.....
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[The_Patriot]

I support Cleary and want him to remain at the club for the rest of his contract however, I wold certainly not be offering any extension until at least mid next season. WT suffered badly by being stampeded into an extension for Sheens when he did not merit it, and Cleary has not yet earned an extension.

Cleary's value is still a work in progress. He has picked the club up and re-ignited some passion into both the players and fan base however:
* recruitment of better players to replace departing players is potentially a big problem to which we have not seen any fruit beyond words,
* his use of 5 (?) co-captions pretty confusing,
* saying mid way through the season that he had still not figured out the main squad was unfathomable,
* his inability to calm the players and fix the basic handling errors that cruelled those few games we should have won (and been in the finals as a result),
* his absolute robotic press conferences after matches, I may have missed it, but I have never seen any passion from the bloke, and
* I know the fuse was lit by Gould but the whole Penrith coaching episode unsettled us at the wrong end of the season, played mind games with the players at the vital time of season for us, and has potentially destroyed our recruitment eg the Penrith centre that went to Bulldogs when he was being touted as coming to us.

Sounds a bit silly but if he does end up wanting out for next season, I'd sit him out for the next 2 years and get a replacement. For the abovementioned reasons I have no sympathy for an early negotiated release if requested. Bugger the extra money, we have to stand for something at the WT, but then again, if what is in the pot is good enough we should think about it.

Nice post. You should post more.

 

[beachtiger]

I don't understand how people can be upset when they think Ivan has been talking to the Panthers whilst contracted with us but then in the same conversation say that we should be going after Madge!!

With how things get leaked in the NRL, how unprofessional would our club look if there were rumours about us talking to Madge when we have come out so strongly in response to the Panthers talking to Ivan?

Who is Madge contracted to?

I think you missed my point, it isn't about Madge at all, it is about being hypocritical that Ivan has been talking to a club whilst under contract and the club expressing their anger about it but then the club going out and talking to Madge when we already have a coach under contract.

 

[beachtiger]

I don't understand how people can be upset when they think Ivan has been talking to the Panthers whilst contracted with us but then in the same conversation say that we should be going after Madge!!

With how things get leaked in the NRL, how unprofessional would our club look if there were rumours about us talking to Madge when we have come out so strongly in response to the Panthers talking to Ivan?

No one thinks Ivan has spoken to the Panthers, he has spoken to the Panthers. I don't have an issue with that either. The only issue for me is Ivan enquiring about going next year, not in 2021\. Anyway, we've been over it and over it and over it. By Christmas this year we will know either way.

You're right sorry didn't word that correctly and I agree with you on your other points as well.

 

[prattenparkchild]

I support Cleary and want him to remain at the club for the rest of his contract however, I wold certainly not be offering any extension until at least mid next season. WT suffered badly by being stampeded into an extension for Sheens when he did not merit it, and Cleary has not yet earned an extension.

Cleary's value is still a work in progress. He has picked the club up and re-ignited some passion into both the players and fan base however:
* recruitment of better players to replace departing players is potentially a big problem to which we have not seen any fruit beyond words,
* his use of 5 (?) co-captions pretty confusing,
* saying mid way through the season that he had still not figured out the main squad was unfathomable,
* his inability to calm the players and fix the basic handling errors that cruelled those few games we should have won (and been in the finals as a result),
* his absolute robotic press conferences after matches, I may have missed it, but I have never seen any passion from the bloke, and
* I know the fuse was lit by Gould but the whole Penrith coaching episode unsettled us at the wrong end of the season, played mind games with the players at the vital time of season for us, and has potentially destroyed our recruitment eg the Penrith centre that went to Bulldogs when he was being touted as coming to us.

Sounds a bit silly but if he does end up wanting out for next season, I'd sit him out for the next 2 years and get a replacement. For the abovementioned reasons I have no sympathy for an early negotiated release if requested. Bugger the extra money, we have to stand for something at the WT, but then again, if what is in the pot is good enough we should think about it.

And, how can I forget the weird (pig headedness?) over the selections for the hooker position? That too contributed to our 'just missed finals' season.

 

[BenzaTiger]

Twitter suggesting tension in the air last night between pascoe and ivan. No mention of each other in speeches wives kept well away from each other.

OH PLEASE. I bloody hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, what is this, Days of Our Lives? Some of you folks trying to turn this into a soap opera based on what people _didn't_ say and how they might have said it.

People have long complained about Tigers media treatment in the past, all the crap about "basket case" and "disjointed boards". This has been dramatically turned around in 2018 - very few negative stories, very few club leaks, no lack of unity… but this kind of buy-in nonsense from some fans about body language is exactly what keeps the media ticking over. Penrith sacks their coach and people go all weird about our coach based on rumour.

Who cares what Breen said, he opens his fat mouth every week and nonsense constantly pours out. The journo himself even joked that "eventually one of my theories will be correct" - how a journo can even joke about such a thing, make light of the fact that most of what they predict (i.e. a component of their professional output) isn't true. The bloke hasn't any strike rate to boast of, and he didn't actually say anything about having any information - no updates, no quotes, no discussions with people - just his gut feeling "if he was a betting man". It's just crap to fill the constant requirement for content now in the paper, on ~10 NRL chat shows, the radio and a 24/7 pay-TV channel.

Ivan said he isn't going, who cares how he said it. If he goes, he goes, no debate or body language analysis today makes a lick of difference.

Well said

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Twitter suggesting tension in the air last night between pascoe and ivan. No mention of each other in speeches wives kept well away from each other.

OH PLEASE. I bloody hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, what is this, Days of Our Lives? Some of you folks trying to turn this into a soap opera based on what people _didn't_ say and how they might have said it.

People have long complained about Tigers media treatment in the past, all the crap about "basket case" and "disjointed boards". This has been dramatically turned around in 2018 - very few negative stories, very few club leaks, no lack of unity… but this kind of buy-in nonsense from some fans about body language is exactly what keeps the media ticking over. Penrith sacks their coach and people go all weird about our coach based on rumour.

Who cares what Breen said, he opens his fat mouth every week and nonsense constantly pours out. The journo himself even joked that "eventually one of my theories will be correct" - how a journo can even joke about such a thing, make light of the fact that most of what they predict (i.e. a component of their professional output) isn't true. The bloke hasn't any strike rate to boast of, and he didn't actually say anything about having any information - no updates, no quotes, no discussions with people - just his gut feeling "if he was a betting man". It's just crap to fill the constant requirement for content now in the paper, on ~10 NRL chat shows, the radio and a 24/7 pay-TV channel.

Ivan said he isn't going, who cares how he said it. If he goes, he goes, no debate or body language analysis today makes a lick of difference.

+100% …...... about time people just settle down.

 

[earl]

Maybe he should get a 2040 tattoo to prove his commitment to the WTs :slight_smile:

I'd accept this as a positive step forward. Has to be on his forehead though.

 

[TonyTiger]

Maybe he should get a 2040 tattoo to prove his commitment to the WTs :slight_smile:

I'd accept this as a positive step forward. Has to be on his forehead though.

????

 

[innsaneink]

Maybe he should get a 2040 tattoo to prove his commitment to the WTs :slight_smile:

I'd accept this as a positive step forward. Has to be on his forehead though.

But what if he looks uneasy, emotionless, uncomfortable, stony faced and squirms in his seat while hes getting inked?
That might tell another story

 

[Tim Sheens]

Twitter suggesting tension in the air last night between pascoe and ivan. No mention of each other in speeches wives kept well away from each other.

OH PLEASE. I bloody hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, what is this, Days of Our Lives? Some of you folks trying to turn this into a soap opera based on what people _didn't_ say and how they might have said it.

People have long complained about Tigers media treatment in the past, all the crap about "basket case" and "disjointed boards". This has been dramatically turned around in 2018 - very few negative stories, very few club leaks, no lack of unity… but this kind of buy-in nonsense from some fans about body language is exactly what keeps the media ticking over. Penrith sacks their coach and people go all weird about our coach based on rumour.

Who cares what Breen said, he opens his fat mouth every week and nonsense constantly pours out. The journo himself even joked that "eventually one of my theories will be correct" - how a journo can even joke about such a thing, make light of the fact that most of what they predict (i.e. a component of their professional output) isn't true. The bloke hasn't any strike rate to boast of, and he didn't actually say anything about having any information - no updates, no quotes, no discussions with people - just his gut feeling "if he was a betting man". It's just crap to fill the constant requirement for content now in the paper, on ~10 NRL chat shows, the radio and a 24/7 pay-TV channel.

Ivan said he isn't going, who cares how he said it. If he goes, he goes, no debate or body language analysis today makes a lick of difference.

A little odd that you are still licking then if you feel that way, is it not?

 

[TrueTiger]

I support Cleary and want him to remain at the club for the rest of his contract however, I wold certainly not be offering any extension until at least mid next season. WT suffered badly by being stampeded into an extension for Sheens when he did not merit it, and Cleary has not yet earned an extension.

Cleary's value is still a work in progress. He has picked the club up and re-ignited some passion into both the players and fan base however:
* recruitment of better players to replace departing players is potentially a big problem to which we have not seen any fruit beyond words,
* his use of 5 (?) co-captions pretty confusing,
* saying mid way through the season that he had still not figured out the main squad was unfathomable,
* his inability to calm the players and fix the basic handling errors that cruelled those few games we should have won (and been in the finals as a result),
* his absolute robotic press conferences after matches, I may have missed it, but I have never seen any passion from the bloke, and
* I know the fuse was lit by Gould but the whole Penrith coaching episode unsettled us at the wrong end of the season, played mind games with the players at the vital time of season for us, and has potentially destroyed our recruitment eg the Penrith centre that went to Bulldogs when he was being touted as coming to us.

Sounds a bit silly but if he does end up wanting out for next season, I'd sit him out for the next 2 years and get a replacement. For the abovementioned reasons I have no sympathy for an early negotiated release if requested. Bugger the extra money, we have to stand for something at the WT, but then again, if what is in the pot is good enough we should think about it.

Nice post. You should post more.

Lets look at this realistically….Ivan has been tremendous for the club since he has come in to it..he has a contract with us for the next 2 years...if he stays or if he goes,nobody can rubbish him for the improvement within our club from players attitude to the club as a whole performing well....its life as we know it...one minute coaches are here ,next their gone...

 

[jirskyr]

Twitter suggesting tension in the air last night between pascoe and ivan. No mention of each other in speeches wives kept well away from each other.

OH PLEASE. I bloody hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, what is this, Days of Our Lives? Some of you folks trying to turn this into a soap opera based on what people _didn't_ say and how they might have said it.

People have long complained about Tigers media treatment in the past, all the crap about "basket case" and "disjointed boards". This has been dramatically turned around in 2018 - very few negative stories, very few club leaks, no lack of unity… but this kind of buy-in nonsense from some fans about body language is exactly what keeps the media ticking over. Penrith sacks their coach and people go all weird about our coach based on rumour.

Who cares what Breen said, he opens his fat mouth every week and nonsense constantly pours out. The journo himself even joked that "eventually one of my theories will be correct" - how a journo can even joke about such a thing, make light of the fact that most of what they predict (i.e. a component of their professional output) isn't true. The bloke hasn't any strike rate to boast of, and he didn't actually say anything about having any information - no updates, no quotes, no discussions with people - just his gut feeling "if he was a betting man". It's just crap to fill the constant requirement for content now in the paper, on ~10 NRL chat shows, the radio and a 24/7 pay-TV channel.

Ivan said he isn't going, who cares how he said it. If he goes, he goes, no debate or body language analysis today makes a lick of difference.

A little odd that you are still licking then if you feel that way, is it not?

Licking?