JAC

[cochise]

‘The club is expected to soon turn its attention onto Josh Addo-Carr, who wants to move to Sydney next season for family reasons. Wests Tigers have a four-year deal on the table, but he won't be released unless a suitable replacement is secured. Given the Tigers don't have a player they are willing to offer in return, Canterbury and South Sydney could be options for Addo-Carr, particularly given Reimus Smith is a player the Bulldogs want to trade.‘

Our refusal to trade anyone might just cost us his signature. Not sure we’re in the position to play hardball

Sorry, we are willing to give him a top level contract, why would we give up a player we won't to keep as well? That puts his price too high for me.

Because we need top talent.... whoever we will be giving them wouldn’t even be close to JAC’s level. If it’s the only way to get him then we have to at least entertain the idea. We are not in a position to let top level talent walk on by yet again.

Not if they don't want to be here anyway.

Sounds like he does, it’s Melbourne blocking his way here.

He has a desire to play at Souths

Weidler saying he’s agreed to join us and waiting on a release. I’m sure he would like to play at Souths too but he’s happy to be here.

I never trust Weidler's info.

I'm not saying he won't be here, but we are not his 1st choice, you do not give up a player if you are someone's 2nd or 3rd choice.

Weidler is a germ but his info is normally solid

If we were his last choice but we could still get him I’d do it. He’s that good and you know he’ll give his all on the field

When people have other preferences that will at times use you as a stepping stone to get to where they want to be. The absolute worse case scenario for us is we give up a player and then in 12 months a position becomes available at JAC's first choice club and he starts agitating for a release. That is the risk you take when you take people when you are not their 1st choice.

You have that risk signing anyone though especially at our club. You have to make sure they’re welcome at the club and love it here, look how much Harry loved his time here. Not every player is out to use as as a stepping stone and do us dirty by screwing us

When you know you're not the 1st choice it is not worth the risk of giving up a player. We are not JAC's 1st choice.


Well If we’re only going to sign players who want to play here as their first Choice we’re going to be running out with like 3 players next year.

So yeah lets give up a player who wants to be here for one that doesn't, that seems smart.

 

[cochise]

‘The club is expected to soon turn its attention onto Josh Addo-Carr, who wants to move to Sydney next season for family reasons. Wests Tigers have a four-year deal on the table, but he won't be released unless a suitable replacement is secured. Given the Tigers don't have a player they are willing to offer in return, Canterbury and South Sydney could be options for Addo-Carr, particularly given Reimus Smith is a player the Bulldogs want to trade.‘

Our refusal to trade anyone might just cost us his signature. Not sure we’re in the position to play hardball

Sorry, we are willing to give him a top level contract, why would we give up a player we won't to keep as well? That puts his price too high for me.

Because we need top talent.... whoever we will be giving them wouldn’t even be close to JAC’s level. If it’s the only way to get him then we have to at least entertain the idea. We are not in a position to let top level talent walk on by yet again.

Not if they don't want to be here anyway.

Sounds like he does, it’s Melbourne blocking his way here.

He has a desire to play at Souths

So you said .... over and over .... and over.
Have you got that on a record mate?

So why would we give up a player for him?


Everyone else is still discussing the same stuff they were 3 weeks ago.

 

[cochise]

‘The club is expected to soon turn its attention onto Josh Addo-Carr, who wants to move to Sydney next season for family reasons. Wests Tigers have a four-year deal on the table, but he won't be released unless a suitable replacement is secured. Given the Tigers don't have a player they are willing to offer in return, Canterbury and South Sydney could be options for Addo-Carr, particularly given Reimus Smith is a player the Bulldogs want to trade.‘

Our refusal to trade anyone might just cost us his signature. Not sure we’re in the position to play hardball

Sorry, we are willing to give him a top level contract, why would we give up a player we won't to keep as well? That puts his price too high for me.

Because we need top talent.... whoever we will be giving them wouldn’t even be close to JAC’s level. If it’s the only way to get him then we have to at least entertain the idea. We are not in a position to let top level talent walk on by yet again.

Not if they don't want to be here anyway.

Sounds like he does, it’s Melbourne blocking his way here.

He has a desire to play at Souths

Weidler saying he’s agreed to join us and waiting on a release. I’m sure he would like to play at Souths too but he’s happy to be here.

I never trust Weidler's info.

I'm not saying he won't be here, but we are not his 1st choice, you do not give up a player if you are someone's 2nd or 3rd choice.

Weidler is a germ but his info is normally solid

If we were his last choice but we could still get him I’d do it. He’s that good and you know he’ll give his all on the field

When people have other preferences that will at times use you as a stepping stone to get to where they want to be. The absolute worse case scenario for us is we give up a player and then in 12 months a position becomes available at JAC's first choice club and he starts agitating for a release. That is the risk you take when you take people when you are not their 1st choice.

You have that risk signing anyone though especially at our club. You have to make sure they’re welcome at the club and love it here, look how much Harry loved his time here. Not every player is out to use as as a stepping stone and do us dirty by screwing us

When you know you're not the 1st choice it is not worth the risk of giving up a player. We are not JAC's 1st choice.


Well If we’re only going to sign players who want to play here as their first Choice we’re going to be running out with like 3 players next year.

Exactly. As if we are everyone’s number once choice, we suck and there’s at least 10 teams I would join before us if I’m a player looking to have a successful career.

You are offering up a player who does want to be here and has shown that.

 

[cochise]

‘The club is expected to soon turn its attention onto Josh Addo-Carr, who wants to move to Sydney next season for family reasons. Wests Tigers have a four-year deal on the table, but he won't be released unless a suitable replacement is secured. Given the Tigers don't have a player they are willing to offer in return, Canterbury and South Sydney could be options for Addo-Carr, particularly given Reimus Smith is a player the Bulldogs want to trade.‘

Our refusal to trade anyone might just cost us his signature. Not sure we’re in the position to play hardball

Sorry, we are willing to give him a top level contract, why would we give up a player we won't to keep as well? That puts his price too high for me.

Because we need top talent.... whoever we will be giving them wouldn’t even be close to JAC’s level. If it’s the only way to get him then we have to at least entertain the idea. We are not in a position to let top level talent walk on by yet again.

Not if they don't want to be here anyway.

Sounds like he does, it’s Melbourne blocking his way here.

He has a desire to play at Souths

Weidler saying he’s agreed to join us and waiting on a release. I’m sure he would like to play at Souths too but he’s happy to be here.

I never trust Weidler's info.

I'm not saying he won't be here, but we are not his 1st choice, you do not give up a player if you are someone's 2nd or 3rd choice.

Weidler is a germ but his info is normally solid

If we were his last choice but we could still get him I’d do it. He’s that good and you know he’ll give his all on the field

When people have other preferences that will at times use you as a stepping stone to get to where they want to be. The absolute worse case scenario for us is we give up a player and then in 12 months a position becomes available at JAC's first choice club and he starts agitating for a release. That is the risk you take when you take people when you are not their 1st choice.

You have that risk signing anyone though especially at our club. You have to make sure they’re welcome at the club and love it here, look how much Harry loved his time here. Not every player is out to use as as a stepping stone and do us dirty by screwing us

When you know you're not the 1st choice it is not worth the risk of giving up a player. We are not JAC's 1st choice.

Even at first choice, top dollar plus a player is too much. Storm can go stick it. They can start paying his salary from today.

Won’t be worth it when he goes off and signs somewhere else and we are stuck with a bog average team

I can’t understand how trading someone like Talau or Momers for JAC is too much. We get a top quality player and it’s not like we are still paying the salary of whoever we send off the Melbourne it gives us more cap room

JAC is not on big money either. Melbourne will be happy to pay his contract and play hardball, they are in control of these negotiations not us

I gotta say , I don’t. For a second think he’s the player that puts us over the top . In fact outside of “marquee signing “ I could care less if we have him or not . For me Tamou and stefano , with Blore this year already , plus this kid from the storm , in the development contracts are way more exciting .
Kei could be anything from all reports , and Cini runs like the wind .
Kepoa is pretty quick as well .
If he can organise the defensive line , have good kick returns , cause indecision in sweeping block plays , and support around the middle of the ruck, then that is the fullback I want .
If that’s JAC cool , if it’s Cory Allen , then also cool . Names come and go , DWZ was considered the prize around June last year , now people wouldn’t have him in thier reserve grade side . Same as valentine Holmes .

JAC is miles ahead of Allen, Holmes and DWZ. Can’t remember him ever having a bad game, he’s no one season wonder he’s been top class for a while now.

I think all the guys you mentioned are good pickups but we need top level talent in our team right now and that’s JAC. We have 0 origin players for next season and we desperately lack pace in our backline

Not saying signing just him will fix all our problems and get us into finals but it’ll be a massive boost for our club and will improve us on the field a lot, would be an excellent step in the right direction

Says who though . Like I just said we have an analytics team now , hopefully they are looking at this as purely in wins . What gets you to wins . Eg . Benji looks amazing , does some amazing things , but we never win with him . Cam smith , what did he ever do that made you go WOW! ? But he always won . Of course they’re both extremely obvious examples , and to scout discarded players and youth football would be like black magic to do it right , but we have to do something different . We can’t be the Roosters , lakers , Yankees types of the world who sign the best players to the most money . We have to be smarter .

We would have clear definition of features we are looking for in each position and would be using stats to identify which players would deliver what we are looking for,

 

[cochise]

‘The club is expected to soon turn its attention onto Josh Addo-Carr, who wants to move to Sydney next season for family reasons. Wests Tigers have a four-year deal on the table, but he won't be released unless a suitable replacement is secured. Given the Tigers don't have a player they are willing to offer in return, Canterbury and South Sydney could be options for Addo-Carr, particularly given Reimus Smith is a player the Bulldogs want to trade.‘

Our refusal to trade anyone might just cost us his signature. Not sure we’re in the position to play hardball

Sorry, we are willing to give him a top level contract, why would we give up a player we won't to keep as well? That puts his price too high for me.

Because we need top talent.... whoever we will be giving them wouldn’t even be close to JAC’s level. If it’s the only way to get him then we have to at least entertain the idea. We are not in a position to let top level talent walk on by yet again.

Not if they don't want to be here anyway.

Sounds like he does, it’s Melbourne blocking his way here.

He has a desire to play at Souths

Weidler saying he’s agreed to join us and waiting on a release. I’m sure he would like to play at Souths too but he’s happy to be here.

I never trust Weidler's info.

I'm not saying he won't be here, but we are not his 1st choice, you do not give up a player if you are someone's 2nd or 3rd choice.

Weidler is a germ but his info is normally solid

If we were his last choice but we could still get him I’d do it. He’s that good and you know he’ll give his all on the field

When people have other preferences that will at times use you as a stepping stone to get to where they want to be. The absolute worse case scenario for us is we give up a player and then in 12 months a position becomes available at JAC's first choice club and he starts agitating for a release. That is the risk you take when you take people when you are not their 1st choice.

You have that risk signing anyone though especially at our club. You have to make sure they’re welcome at the club and love it here, look how much Harry loved his time here. Not every player is out to use as as a stepping stone and do us dirty by screwing us

When you know you're not the 1st choice it is not worth the risk of giving up a player. We are not JAC's 1st choice.

Even at first choice, top dollar plus a player is too much. Storm can go stick it. They can start paying his salary from today.

Won’t be worth it when he goes off and signs somewhere else and we are stuck with a bog average team

I can’t understand how trading someone like Talau or Momers for JAC is too much. We get a top quality player and it’s not like we are still paying the salary of whoever we send off the Melbourne it gives us more cap room

JAC is not on big money either. Melbourne will be happy to pay his contract and play hardball, they are in control of these negotiations not us

I gotta say , I don’t. For a second think he’s the player that puts us over the top . In fact outside of “marquee signing “ I could care less if we have him or not . For me Tamou and stefano , with Blore this year already , plus this kid from the storm , in the development contracts are way more exciting .
Kei could be anything from all reports , and Cini runs like the wind .
Kepoa is pretty quick as well .
If he can organise the defensive line , have good kick returns , cause indecision in sweeping block plays , and support around the middle of the ruck, then that is the fullback I want .
If that’s JAC cool , if it’s Cory Allen , then also cool . Names come and go , DWZ was considered the prize around June last year , now people wouldn’t have him in thier reserve grade side . Same as valentine Holmes .

JAC is miles ahead of Allen, Holmes and DWZ. Can’t remember him ever having a bad game, he’s no one season wonder he’s been top class for a while now.

I think all the guys you mentioned are good pickups but we need top level talent in our team right now and that’s JAC. We have 0 origin players for next season and we desperately lack pace in our backline

Not saying signing just him will fix all our problems and get us into finals but it’ll be a massive boost for our club and will improve us on the field a lot, would be an excellent step in the right direction

Says who though . Like I just said we have an analytics team now , hopefully they are looking at this as purely in wins . What gets you to wins . Eg . Benji looks amazing , does some amazing things , but we never win with him . Cam smith , what did he ever do that made you go WOW! ? But he always won . Of course they’re both extremely obvious examples , and to scout discarded players and youth football would be like black magic to do it right , but we have to do something different . We can’t be the Roosters , lakers , Yankees types of the world who sign the best players to the most money . We have to be smarter .

It’s pretty clear to see JAC is one of the best and has been for a few years now. He’s in the Australian and origin teams for a reason. I agree we have to be smart, guys like Tamou and Stefano are smart signings but so is JAC.

Ok in a vacuum sure . Is he a smart signing for 1.2 mil? Is he a smart signing for 1 mil ? For 900k ? For 800k ? At what point does it tip from smart to madness ? Would you pay Tedesco 2.5 mil ? Madness right ?
It’s all relative . And if we are investing in an analytics team , and are making educated decisions instead of “gut feeling” , emotional choices , Like “he’s an origin player , he’s never had a bad game “. Then I’m ok with that. You’re probably right , the eye test and stats back each other up. But what if they don’t ? What if signing JAC has a zero point , and then it’s a huge negative . What position is valued higher than others ie. if you make a bad choice how much is it going to negatively affect your chances of winning ? I dunno , there’s smarter people than me out there , actually employed by the club , and actually influencing signings as we speak .

Exactly mate, we are so far from the gut and emotional signing of the past.

 

[HowDugWT]

You would think that bulldogs would be trying to sign burton for 2022 and keeping room in there cap for 2021 if released early,possibly having a shot at Brandon Smith or another hooker that becomes available..so again cap room needed,even if DWZ and Smith are moved on and they get some relief you would think JAC is not a priority to them,maybe they are just trying to boost his asking price to make Tigers or Souths pay more,Souths backs signed for next year are Mitchell,Gagai,Burns,Campbell-Graham,Deniss,Allan,Johnstone,Milne,Moga,Paulo,Marsters,If they move on Roberts and Allan and sign JAC,backs to forwards ratio is way off for a squad of 30,maybe Tigers are still favourites


Yes this is certainly the most logical way of looking at the JAC signing. Looking at those teams rosters and where they need strengthening, the Bulldogs really need to concentrate on buying decent halves and a hooker. They’d be mad to throw all their money at JAC and have nothing left to sign players in those key positions. If they go into next season with the same halves and hooker then having JAC in the backline won’t make a squat of difference and can kiss all their hopes goodbye. Surely Barrett, as a former half, can see this.

JAC is not what they need, they’ve already bought another SOO winger in Cotric and I think Meaney does a pretty good job for them at fullback. Not to mention if DWZ got back to his best he would be great! I don’t know what has happened to him actually, he started out great when he first signed with them, perhaps he is just not happy there.

Souths simply do not need another back, they are already stacked with quality backs and if JAC went there he would be competing with his mate Mitchell for the fullback spot, which is just ridiculous really since they only just courted Mitchell to play in that spot last year! Before his injury he certainly showed signs that he would become a very good fullback, imo and if he is injured long term fullback can be well and truly covered by either Allen or Johnston.

The Tigers are really the only team of those 3 that need JAC and can hand him the fullback role for him to make his own, no questions asked. I believe we are probably the ones with the best offer on the table also. So, logically JAC to us is a no brainer really, but logic doesn’t account for a person’s heart or emotions and if JAC ‘s heart isn’t in playing for us, then logic goes out the window and he signs elsewhere. What can ya do?

There is also the possibility I guess of another Sydney club coming out of left field and snaring his signature under the noses of all us, who knows?


Has anyone heard of any other club which has tabled an offer to JAC? Does anyone find that odd? I mean, given the quality of player he is?
From memory WT were the only club to table an offer to Mitchell. I’m not drawing any conclusion here, just eluding to a pattern of similarity.

That's the reason I think we got him. We are the ONLY club whe have officially tabled him an offer. The Dogs with JAC are all rumours. Sooooo . . . .

 

[JC99]

You would think that bulldogs would be trying to sign burton for 2022 and keeping room in there cap for 2021 if released early,possibly having a shot at Brandon Smith or another hooker that becomes available..so again cap room needed,even if DWZ and Smith are moved on and they get some relief you would think JAC is not a priority to them,maybe they are just trying to boost his asking price to make Tigers or Souths pay more,Souths backs signed for next year are Mitchell,Gagai,Burns,Campbell-Graham,Deniss,Allan,Johnstone,Milne,Moga,Paulo,Marsters,If they move on Roberts and Allan and sign JAC,backs to forwards ratio is way off for a squad of 30,maybe Tigers are still favourites


Yes this is certainly the most logical way of looking at the JAC signing. Looking at those teams rosters and where they need strengthening, the Bulldogs really need to concentrate on buying decent halves and a hooker. They’d be mad to throw all their money at JAC and have nothing left to sign players in those key positions. If they go into next season with the same halves and hooker then having JAC in the backline won’t make a squat of difference and can kiss all their hopes goodbye. Surely Barrett, as a former half, can see this.

JAC is not what they need, they’ve already bought another SOO winger in Cotric and I think Meaney does a pretty good job for them at fullback. Not to mention if DWZ got back to his best he would be great! I don’t know what has happened to him actually, he started out great when he first signed with them, perhaps he is just not happy there.

Souths simply do not need another back, they are already stacked with quality backs and if JAC went there he would be competing with his mate Mitchell for the fullback spot, which is just ridiculous really since they only just courted Mitchell to play in that spot last year! Before his injury he certainly showed signs that he would become a very good fullback, imo and if he is injured long term fullback can be well and truly covered by either Allen or Johnston.

The Tigers are really the only team of those 3 that need JAC and can hand him the fullback role for him to make his own, no questions asked. I believe we are probably the ones with the best offer on the table also. So, logically JAC to us is a no brainer really, but logic doesn’t account for a person’s heart or emotions and if JAC ‘s heart isn’t in playing for us, then logic goes out the window and he signs elsewhere. What can ya do?

There is also the possibility I guess of another Sydney club coming out of left field and snaring his signature under the noses of all us, who knows?


Has anyone heard of any other club which has tabled an offer to JAC? Does anyone find that odd? I mean, given the quality of player he is?
From memory WT were the only club to table an offer to Mitchell. I’m not drawing any conclusion here, just eluding to a pattern of similarity.

That's the reason I think we got him. We are the ONLY club whe have officially tabled him an offer. The Dogs with JAC are all rumours. Sooooo . . . .

More than rumours, Barrett has said they’ve talked to JAC

 

[JC99]

‘The club is expected to soon turn its attention onto Josh Addo-Carr, who wants to move to Sydney next season for family reasons. Wests Tigers have a four-year deal on the table, but he won't be released unless a suitable replacement is secured. Given the Tigers don't have a player they are willing to offer in return, Canterbury and South Sydney could be options for Addo-Carr, particularly given Reimus Smith is a player the Bulldogs want to trade.‘

Our refusal to trade anyone might just cost us his signature. Not sure we’re in the position to play hardball

Sorry, we are willing to give him a top level contract, why would we give up a player we won't to keep as well? That puts his price too high for me.

Because we need top talent.... whoever we will be giving them wouldn’t even be close to JAC’s level. If it’s the only way to get him then we have to at least entertain the idea. We are not in a position to let top level talent walk on by yet again.

Not if they don't want to be here anyway.

Sounds like he does, it’s Melbourne blocking his way here.

He has a desire to play at Souths

Weidler saying he’s agreed to join us and waiting on a release. I’m sure he would like to play at Souths too but he’s happy to be here.

I never trust Weidler's info.

I'm not saying he won't be here, but we are not his 1st choice, you do not give up a player if you are someone's 2nd or 3rd choice.

Weidler is a germ but his info is normally solid

If we were his last choice but we could still get him I’d do it. He’s that good and you know he’ll give his all on the field

When people have other preferences that will at times use you as a stepping stone to get to where they want to be. The absolute worse case scenario for us is we give up a player and then in 12 months a position becomes available at JAC's first choice club and he starts agitating for a release. That is the risk you take when you take people when you are not their 1st choice.

You have that risk signing anyone though especially at our club. You have to make sure they’re welcome at the club and love it here, look how much Harry loved his time here. Not every player is out to use as as a stepping stone and do us dirty by screwing us

When you know you're not the 1st choice it is not worth the risk of giving up a player. We are not JAC's 1st choice.

Even at first choice, top dollar plus a player is too much. Storm can go stick it. They can start paying his salary from today.

Won’t be worth it when he goes off and signs somewhere else and we are stuck with a bog average team

I can’t understand how trading someone like Talau or Momers for JAC is too much. We get a top quality player and it’s not like we are still paying the salary of whoever we send off the Melbourne it gives us more cap room

JAC is not on big money either. Melbourne will be happy to pay his contract and play hardball, they are in control of these negotiations not us

I gotta say , I don’t. For a second think he’s the player that puts us over the top . In fact outside of “marquee signing “ I could care less if we have him or not . For me Tamou and stefano , with Blore this year already , plus this kid from the storm , in the development contracts are way more exciting .
Kei could be anything from all reports , and Cini runs like the wind .
Kepoa is pretty quick as well .
If he can organise the defensive line , have good kick returns , cause indecision in sweeping block plays , and support around the middle of the ruck, then that is the fullback I want .
If that’s JAC cool , if it’s Cory Allen , then also cool . Names come and go , DWZ was considered the prize around June last year , now people wouldn’t have him in thier reserve grade side . Same as valentine Holmes .

JAC is miles ahead of Allen, Holmes and DWZ. Can’t remember him ever having a bad game, he’s no one season wonder he’s been top class for a while now.

I think all the guys you mentioned are good pickups but we need top level talent in our team right now and that’s JAC. We have 0 origin players for next season and we desperately lack pace in our backline

Not saying signing just him will fix all our problems and get us into finals but it’ll be a massive boost for our club and will improve us on the field a lot, would be an excellent step in the right direction

Says who though . Like I just said we have an analytics team now , hopefully they are looking at this as purely in wins . What gets you to wins . Eg . Benji looks amazing , does some amazing things , but we never win with him . Cam smith , what did he ever do that made you go WOW! ? But he always won . Of course they’re both extremely obvious examples , and to scout discarded players and youth football would be like black magic to do it right , but we have to do something different . We can’t be the Roosters , lakers , Yankees types of the world who sign the best players to the most money . We have to be smarter .

It’s pretty clear to see JAC is one of the best and has been for a few years now. He’s in the Australian and origin teams for a reason. I agree we have to be smart, guys like Tamou and Stefano are smart signings but so is JAC.

Ok in a vacuum sure . Is he a smart signing for 1.2 mil? Is he a smart signing for 1 mil ? For 900k ? For 800k ? At what point does it tip from smart to madness ? Would you pay Tedesco 2.5 mil ? Madness right ?
It’s all relative . And if we are investing in an analytics team , and are making educated decisions instead of “gut feeling” , emotional choices , Like “he’s an origin player , he’s never had a bad game “. Then I’m ok with that. You’re probably right , the eye test and stats back each other up. But what if they don’t ? What if signing JAC has a zero point , and then it’s a huge negative . What position is valued higher than others ie. if you make a bad choice how much is it going to negatively affect your chances of winning ? I dunno , there’s smarter people than me out there , actually employed by the club , and actually influencing signings as we speak .

Exactly mate, we are so far from the gut and emotional signing of the past.

Emotional would be signing DWZ just because we missed JAC. That would be a panic buy and very stupid. If we don’t get josh just hold the money unless there’s another quality guy who will really make an impact to our team.

 

[cochise]

‘The club is expected to soon turn its attention onto Josh Addo-Carr, who wants to move to Sydney next season for family reasons. Wests Tigers have a four-year deal on the table, but he won't be released unless a suitable replacement is secured. Given the Tigers don't have a player they are willing to offer in return, Canterbury and South Sydney could be options for Addo-Carr, particularly given Reimus Smith is a player the Bulldogs want to trade.‘

Our refusal to trade anyone might just cost us his signature. Not sure we’re in the position to play hardball

Sorry, we are willing to give him a top level contract, why would we give up a player we won't to keep as well? That puts his price too high for me.

Because we need top talent.... whoever we will be giving them wouldn’t even be close to JAC’s level. If it’s the only way to get him then we have to at least entertain the idea. We are not in a position to let top level talent walk on by yet again.

Not if they don't want to be here anyway.

Sounds like he does, it’s Melbourne blocking his way here.

He has a desire to play at Souths

Weidler saying he’s agreed to join us and waiting on a release. I’m sure he would like to play at Souths too but he’s happy to be here.

I never trust Weidler's info.

I'm not saying he won't be here, but we are not his 1st choice, you do not give up a player if you are someone's 2nd or 3rd choice.

Weidler is a germ but his info is normally solid

If we were his last choice but we could still get him I’d do it. He’s that good and you know he’ll give his all on the field

When people have other preferences that will at times use you as a stepping stone to get to where they want to be. The absolute worse case scenario for us is we give up a player and then in 12 months a position becomes available at JAC's first choice club and he starts agitating for a release. That is the risk you take when you take people when you are not their 1st choice.

You have that risk signing anyone though especially at our club. You have to make sure they’re welcome at the club and love it here, look how much Harry loved his time here. Not every player is out to use as as a stepping stone and do us dirty by screwing us

When you know you're not the 1st choice it is not worth the risk of giving up a player. We are not JAC's 1st choice.

Even at first choice, top dollar plus a player is too much. Storm can go stick it. They can start paying his salary from today.

Won’t be worth it when he goes off and signs somewhere else and we are stuck with a bog average team

I can’t understand how trading someone like Talau or Momers for JAC is too much. We get a top quality player and it’s not like we are still paying the salary of whoever we send off the Melbourne it gives us more cap room

JAC is not on big money either. Melbourne will be happy to pay his contract and play hardball, they are in control of these negotiations not us

I gotta say , I don’t. For a second think he’s the player that puts us over the top . In fact outside of “marquee signing “ I could care less if we have him or not . For me Tamou and stefano , with Blore this year already , plus this kid from the storm , in the development contracts are way more exciting .
Kei could be anything from all reports , and Cini runs like the wind .
Kepoa is pretty quick as well .
If he can organise the defensive line , have good kick returns , cause indecision in sweeping block plays , and support around the middle of the ruck, then that is the fullback I want .
If that’s JAC cool , if it’s Cory Allen , then also cool . Names come and go , DWZ was considered the prize around June last year , now people wouldn’t have him in thier reserve grade side . Same as valentine Holmes .

JAC is miles ahead of Allen, Holmes and DWZ. Can’t remember him ever having a bad game, he’s no one season wonder he’s been top class for a while now.

I think all the guys you mentioned are good pickups but we need top level talent in our team right now and that’s JAC. We have 0 origin players for next season and we desperately lack pace in our backline

Not saying signing just him will fix all our problems and get us into finals but it’ll be a massive boost for our club and will improve us on the field a lot, would be an excellent step in the right direction

Says who though . Like I just said we have an analytics team now , hopefully they are looking at this as purely in wins . What gets you to wins . Eg . Benji looks amazing , does some amazing things , but we never win with him . Cam smith , what did he ever do that made you go WOW! ? But he always won . Of course they’re both extremely obvious examples , and to scout discarded players and youth football would be like black magic to do it right , but we have to do something different . We can’t be the Roosters , lakers , Yankees types of the world who sign the best players to the most money . We have to be smarter .

It’s pretty clear to see JAC is one of the best and has been for a few years now. He’s in the Australian and origin teams for a reason. I agree we have to be smart, guys like Tamou and Stefano are smart signings but so is JAC.

Ok in a vacuum sure . Is he a smart signing for 1.2 mil? Is he a smart signing for 1 mil ? For 900k ? For 800k ? At what point does it tip from smart to madness ? Would you pay Tedesco 2.5 mil ? Madness right ?
It’s all relative . And if we are investing in an analytics team , and are making educated decisions instead of “gut feeling” , emotional choices , Like “he’s an origin player , he’s never had a bad game “. Then I’m ok with that. You’re probably right , the eye test and stats back each other up. But what if they don’t ? What if signing JAC has a zero point , and then it’s a huge negative . What position is valued higher than others ie. if you make a bad choice how much is it going to negatively affect your chances of winning ? I dunno , there’s smarter people than me out there , actually employed by the club , and actually influencing signings as we speak .

Exactly mate, we are so far from the gut and emotional signing of the past.

Emotional would be signing DWZ just because we missed JAC. That would be a panic buy and very stupid. If we don’t get josh just hold the money unless there’s another quality guy who will really make an impact to our team.

Agreed

 

[HowDugWT]

You would think that bulldogs would be trying to sign burton for 2022 and keeping room in there cap for 2021 if released early,possibly having a shot at Brandon Smith or another hooker that becomes available..so again cap room needed,even if DWZ and Smith are moved on and they get some relief you would think JAC is not a priority to them,maybe they are just trying to boost his asking price to make Tigers or Souths pay more,Souths backs signed for next year are Mitchell,Gagai,Burns,Campbell-Graham,Deniss,Allan,Johnstone,Milne,Moga,Paulo,Marsters,If they move on Roberts and Allan and sign JAC,backs to forwards ratio is way off for a squad of 30,maybe Tigers are still favourites


Yes this is certainly the most logical way of looking at the JAC signing. Looking at those teams rosters and where they need strengthening, the Bulldogs really need to concentrate on buying decent halves and a hooker. They’d be mad to throw all their money at JAC and have nothing left to sign players in those key positions. If they go into next season with the same halves and hooker then having JAC in the backline won’t make a squat of difference and can kiss all their hopes goodbye. Surely Barrett, as a former half, can see this.

JAC is not what they need, they’ve already bought another SOO winger in Cotric and I think Meaney does a pretty good job for them at fullback. Not to mention if DWZ got back to his best he would be great! I don’t know what has happened to him actually, he started out great when he first signed with them, perhaps he is just not happy there.

Souths simply do not need another back, they are already stacked with quality backs and if JAC went there he would be competing with his mate Mitchell for the fullback spot, which is just ridiculous really since they only just courted Mitchell to play in that spot last year! Before his injury he certainly showed signs that he would become a very good fullback, imo and if he is injured long term fullback can be well and truly covered by either Allen or Johnston.

The Tigers are really the only team of those 3 that need JAC and can hand him the fullback role for him to make his own, no questions asked. I believe we are probably the ones with the best offer on the table also. So, logically JAC to us is a no brainer really, but logic doesn’t account for a person’s heart or emotions and if JAC ‘s heart isn’t in playing for us, then logic goes out the window and he signs elsewhere. What can ya do?

There is also the possibility I guess of another Sydney club coming out of left field and snaring his signature under the noses of all us, who knows?


Has anyone heard of any other club which has tabled an offer to JAC? Does anyone find that odd? I mean, given the quality of player he is?
From memory WT were the only club to table an offer to Mitchell. I’m not drawing any conclusion here, just eluding to a pattern of similarity.

That's the reason I think we got him. We are the ONLY club whe have officially tabled him an offer. The Dogs with JAC are all rumours. Sooooo . . . .

More than rumours, Barrett has said they’ve talked to JAC

There is a difference between talks and actually tabling an offer.

 

[tony soprano]

I’d be surprised if Momo hasn’t been discussed

Don’t think storm want him.

Anyone surprised Branco got picked over momo?!

 

[JC99]

You would think that bulldogs would be trying to sign burton for 2022 and keeping room in there cap for 2021 if released early,possibly having a shot at Brandon Smith or another hooker that becomes available..so again cap room needed,even if DWZ and Smith are moved on and they get some relief you would think JAC is not a priority to them,maybe they are just trying to boost his asking price to make Tigers or Souths pay more,Souths backs signed for next year are Mitchell,Gagai,Burns,Campbell-Graham,Deniss,Allan,Johnstone,Milne,Moga,Paulo,Marsters,If they move on Roberts and Allan and sign JAC,backs to forwards ratio is way off for a squad of 30,maybe Tigers are still favourites


Yes this is certainly the most logical way of looking at the JAC signing. Looking at those teams rosters and where they need strengthening, the Bulldogs really need to concentrate on buying decent halves and a hooker. They’d be mad to throw all their money at JAC and have nothing left to sign players in those key positions. If they go into next season with the same halves and hooker then having JAC in the backline won’t make a squat of difference and can kiss all their hopes goodbye. Surely Barrett, as a former half, can see this.

JAC is not what they need, they’ve already bought another SOO winger in Cotric and I think Meaney does a pretty good job for them at fullback. Not to mention if DWZ got back to his best he would be great! I don’t know what has happened to him actually, he started out great when he first signed with them, perhaps he is just not happy there.

Souths simply do not need another back, they are already stacked with quality backs and if JAC went there he would be competing with his mate Mitchell for the fullback spot, which is just ridiculous really since they only just courted Mitchell to play in that spot last year! Before his injury he certainly showed signs that he would become a very good fullback, imo and if he is injured long term fullback can be well and truly covered by either Allen or Johnston.

The Tigers are really the only team of those 3 that need JAC and can hand him the fullback role for him to make his own, no questions asked. I believe we are probably the ones with the best offer on the table also. So, logically JAC to us is a no brainer really, but logic doesn’t account for a person’s heart or emotions and if JAC ‘s heart isn’t in playing for us, then logic goes out the window and he signs elsewhere. What can ya do?

There is also the possibility I guess of another Sydney club coming out of left field and snaring his signature under the noses of all us, who knows?


Has anyone heard of any other club which has tabled an offer to JAC? Does anyone find that odd? I mean, given the quality of player he is?
From memory WT were the only club to table an offer to Mitchell. I’m not drawing any conclusion here, just eluding to a pattern of similarity.

That's the reason I think we got him. We are the ONLY club whe have officially tabled him an offer. The Dogs with JAC are all rumours. Sooooo . . . .

More than rumours, Barrett has said they’ve talked to JAC

There is a difference between talks and actually tabling an offer.

Definitely, but bulldogs are in the hunt for him and that’s an issue for us.

 

[Russell]

o we really can’t afford to let the opportunity slide by.

"We really can’t afford to let the opportunity slide by".

At this point, dragging on for so long - I think we can.

He's not a Teddy, Keary or Munster.

He is just a fast winger.

 

[mike]

o we really can’t afford to let the opportunity slide by.

"We really can’t afford to let the opportunity slide by".

At this point, dragging on for so long - I think we can.

He's not a Teddy, Keary or Munster.

He is just a fast winger.

I really want JAC to be a Wests Tiger but I am absolutely deadset against giving the Storm any advantage in making that happen.

If JAC does not sign with the offer already tabled then he doesn’t sign. Move onto the next.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

This is good news. We don’t have the cap space to take the chance on a converted fullback at 750k a year. Losing young players on peanuts like Talau who is a starter is a double blow as you can’t replace him for the same money.

If true I would be trying to get Nick Meaney hugely underrated player. Treated poorly at the Dogs he’s the best fullback at the club.

I. would like a current Kangaroo, SOO player and premiership winner. Keep your Meaney's and DWZ's at the Bulldogs.

Meaney can play and would be a better goal kicking option than anyone we have. Fox is a gun but he’s a winger if it’s huge money it’s a risk we can’t take and lose a young player. It’s all relative.

What, Joey Leilua is on what $500k? Paying JAC $750k is a bargain. He's three times the player Leilua will ever be.

How many wingers do the roosters, Storm pay 750k? Losing a player we want like Talau on $250k and having to pay 450k to replace him makes zero sense. This is the issue it’s not in isolation. You will then spend 1.1m on a centre and a winger taking a punt he’s a fullback.

It could work but it’s the type of wild punt we can’t afford. BJ, Reynolds, Packer contracts have no relevance to doing a deal for a new player.

I’d pay Fox the contract we proposed any day but it won’t happen that way. He will want big money whether he plays wing or fullback and the Storm want Nofa or Talau.

Storm would only get Nofo or Talau for one year though. From 2022 JAC continues to be a Tiger and WT get Nofo or Talau back
Something shoukd have been worked out minths ago, WT thought they were sitting in a NSW SOO player in Nofo so were not going to trade to storm and it didn't happen. Talau should have been the trade for one year


Where did you get the idea they wanted someone just for a year, the Storm want a player swap not a 1 year loan deal.

JAC only signed for 1 year left with storm, the offer for Nofo or talau was only fir 1 year with storm

 

[hsvjones]

I believe this statement is very accurate from a south forum guy and makes sense to me. The NSW camp with souths guys added by the rubbish Fittler says will move him away from Tigers.



 

[cochise]

I believe this statement is very accurate from a south forum guy and makes sense to me. The NSW camp with souths guys added by the rubbish Fittler says will move him away from Tigers.



I believe he went quiet earlier than that.

 

[Tiger5150]

‘The club is expected to soon turn its attention onto Josh Addo-Carr, who wants to move to Sydney next season for family reasons. Wests Tigers have a four-year deal on the table, but he won't be released unless a suitable replacement is secured. Given the Tigers don't have a player they are willing to offer in return, Canterbury and South Sydney could be options for Addo-Carr, particularly given Reimus Smith is a player the Bulldogs want to trade.‘

***Our refusal to trade anyone*** might just cost us his signature. Not sure we’re in the position to play hardball

How do you know we refused? How do you know if Nofo or Talau even want to go to COVID city?

 

[hsvjones]

I believe this statement is very accurate from a south forum guy and makes sense to me. The NSW camp with souths guys added by the rubbish Fittler says will move him away from Tigers.



I believe he went quiet earlier than that.

I don't feel confident at all to be honest.. I do think his mates are in his ear about taking less money now to play together as they will be looked after once footy career is over.... Unlike us they know the NRL won't look into it. But I cannot blame him either as most would do the same.

 

[cochise]

I believe this statement is very accurate from a south forum guy and makes sense to me. The NSW camp with souths guys added by the rubbish Fittler says will move him away from Tigers.



I believe he went quiet earlier than that.

I don't feel confident at all to be honest.. I do think his mates are in his ear about taking less money now to play together as they will be looked after once footy career is over.... Unlike us they know the NRL won't look into it. But I cannot blame him either as most would do the same.

His mates do appear to have changed his mind, they seem to have been working on him for weeks.